Usyk vs Crawford

[AngryGoon38]

In a hypothetical CruiserWeight bout.
I think of "Terrance Crawford" as a Modern day "Sam Langford".
Langford was referred to as a Heavyweight in a Welterweight/Middlewight body.
To me, Crawford is A Super Middleweight in a Welterweight body.
He gets up to 165 and even 175 before training camp, and he's still in great shape at those respective bodyweights.
He could easily just train a bit different and eat different during a specific specialized training camp and train and
Condition himself into an effectively conditioned small cruiserweight size of(176-178 lbs).

Usyk Was a Cruiserweight, and for a good while, so I guess, take that version of Usyk and match him in a hypothetical versus
A reconditioned/bulked up version of Crawford. And remember, Terrance wouldn't even be all that much bulked up at
Those specific small cruiserweight ranges that I specified. He'd still be quick enough and Probably Would also become even more powerful and definitely stronger while weighing a good ways into the 170's. Terrance with all due respect, is A freak of nature, in and amongst the fight game, lets face it. He has that freaky thick bone structure, ala Manny Pacqiou. And Terrance is 5'8 to Manny's height of 5'5, and the reach differs in the amount of 7" between Craw and Pac. 74" to 67".
Manny went from 108-154. Crawford has gone from what, 130-135, to A very Big 147, even if only standing at 5'8.

We all know that Crawford could've went right to 154 and then 160, even a few years ago, and won titles by now in those two divisions. And if he'd done that then, he would've also fought and Probably beaten Canelo by now as well.
With that said, Cruiserweight(176-200)is A rather unusual division with tremendous weird bout potential/versatility.
Compared with HW, especially within the realms of the modern day behemoths, it does still count as being "A Lighter Weight-Division", right..? I mean, furthermore, Canelo has been expressing serious interest, for a good while now, in going for it(A title bout)in that weight class. Almost Finally in this here radical post of mine, even these days, it would be certainly possible for Usyk to slim back down to making 200, and Certainly possible for Crawford to basically take the Tyson Fury approach in a specialized training camp to pack on some serious functionality based body weight bulkage, no..?

I know that I can see this possibility coming to fruition if Boxing was run the way it Should be run !
And yes, Finally Finally in closing, I actually think that this is a bout that would very likely go the distance and it would
Depend mostly on skill as to who would prevail according to the judges and they're individualized preferences of
The specific given boxing effectiveness being utilized from each combatant. Common human Logic would say Usyk is too big so he definately wins by way of effective aggression,.... but, Crawford's reach is only 2 inches less so he could actually do A sort of Pacqiou versus Delahoya type of trickery and Wileyness vexation stuff versus the naturally bigger fellow(Usyk).
I could see Crawford going Chris Byrd combined with Pacqiou(Especially the versus Oscar version) against Usyk, and make it incredibly interesting and even shocking.

[margaret thatcher]

how high were you when you wrote this?

[tiny_acres]

how high were you when you wrote this?

[gilgamesh]

how high were you when you wrote this?

To steal a joke here

"Do you have any idea how f*cking high this guy was? I don't. And I'VE BEEN PRETTY HIGH!"

[AngryGoon38]

I'm not surprised that I'm being accused of getting high before posting what I thought would be a rather thought provoking thread topic. It's all good though. Definately not the worst thing to be falsely accused of.
With that said, let me make more further points that will perhaps get people to see and conclude that this isn't such
A far fetched hypothetical premise after all.
I already pointed out about the only very slight reach discrepancy of 2 inches. 74" versus 76".
Also, what about the fact that 5'8 Canelo fought and defeated 6'3 Callum Smith..?!
That'd be Crawford versus Usyk as well. 5'8 vs 6'3.
Also, Canelo has a 70" reach. Callum has a 78" reach. 8" of difference there along with the 7" height difference.

Canelo was able to Bore in like a Bull and massacre Callum's arms into Basically A form of muscle hemmorage.
Callum even though making 168 at weigh-in, was certainly weighing a good 185 while in the actual ring vs the LiL Big 5'8 Bull, Canelo.
Crawford is A LiL Bigman also, just as Sam Langford was.
5'7 Tommy Burns hung in there for a good many rounds versus The Galveston Giant "Jack Johnson".
Burns didn't have half the skillset that Crawford has. Heck, probably not even a quarter of the level of skill that Crawford possesses. He was just a charging LiL 5'7 180 lb Bull, who managed to go more than 10 rounds vs The Much Bigger and also Much more skilled Jack Johnson(6'1-1/2 215 lbs). The reach difference was definitely a good 10 inches difference as well.
Billy Conn, who actually only weighed 169, for the initial weigh-in(According to Bert Sugar), versus Joe Louis and then
Proceeded to do a boxing clinic on Louis, for 12 full rounds, and then becomming mysteriously stupid and trying to score the Ko in round 13.

Also, Harry Greb, who was 5'8, and put a hurting on Gene Tunney. 5'7 Welterweight Mickey Walker fought and beat much bigger adversaries, including LHW Gus Lesnevich.
Sam Langford if born in the modern times, would've fought and likely won titles in 8 or 9 weight divisions.
What is so far fetched about the premise of a special boxer like Terrance Crawford eventually going for it in a division that ranges from 176 to 200..? I mean, back in the 1940's something like that would be just Standard High Ambition for a world class highly gifted boxer to attempt. Certainly not an Earth Shattering event where people would say, Oh Yeah, the man is insane to think he has a chance against the naturally much bigger fellow. And I don't think that people (Boxing fans) of back then would accuse someone such as myself of being "High" because I speculate points about A particular smaller boxer having a particularly good chance against the bigger or much bigger opponent, especially if emphasizing the scientific styles aspects of Boxing.

[tiny_acres]

I'm not surprised that I'm being accused of getting high before posting what I thought would be a rather thought provoking thread topic. It's all good though. Definately not the worst thing to be falsely accused of.
With that said, let me make more further points that will perhaps get people to see and conclude that this isn't such
A far fetched hypothetical premise after all.
I already pointed out about the only very slight reach discrepancy of 2 inches. 74" versus 76".
Also, what about the fact that 5'8 Canelo fought and defeated 6'3 Callum Smith..?!
That'd be Crawford versus Usyk as well. 5'8 vs 6'3.
Also, Canelo has a 70" reach. Callum has a 78" reach. 8" of difference there along with the 7" height difference.

Canelo was able to Bore in like a Bull and massacre Callum's arms into Basically A form of muscle hemmorage.
Callum even though making 168 at weigh-in, was certainly weighing a good 185 while in the actual ring vs the LiL Big 5'8 Bull, Canelo.
Crawford is A LiL Bigman also, just as Sam Langford was.
5'7 Tommy Burns hung in there for a good many rounds versus The Galveston Giant "Jack Johnson".
Burns didn't have half the skillset that Crawford has. Heck, probably not even a quarter of the level of skill that Crawford possesses. He was just a charging LiL 5'7 180 lb Bull, who managed to go more than 10 rounds vs The Much Bigger and also Much more skilled Jack Johnson(6'1-1/2 215 lbs). The reach difference was definitely a good 10 inches difference as well.
Billy Conn, who actually only weighed 169, for the initial weigh-in(According to Bert Sugar), versus Joe Louis and then
Proceeded to do a boxing clinic on Louis, for 12 full rounds, and then becomming mysteriously stupid and trying to score the Ko in round 13.

Also, Harry Greb, who was 5'8, and put a hurting on Gene Tunney. 5'7 Welterweight Mickey Walker fought and beat much bigger adversaries, including LHW Gus Lesnevich.
Sam Langford if born in the modern times, would've fought and likely won titles in 8 or 9 weight divisions.
What is so far fetched about the premise of a special boxer like Terrance Crawford eventually going for it in a division that ranges from 176 to 200..? I mean, back in the 1940's something like that would be just Standard High Ambition for a world class highly gifted boxer to attempt. Certainly not an Earth Shattering event where people would say, Oh Yeah, the man is insane to think he has a chance against the naturally much bigger fellow. And I don't think that people (Boxing fans) of back then would accuse someone such as myself of being "High" because I speculate points about A particular smaller boxer having a particularly good chance against the bigger or much bigger opponent, especially if emphasizing the scientific styles aspects of Boxing.

I'll bite for just a minute.
Crawford and Usyk are probably the 2 best boxers in the world right now P4P.
So skills being relatively equal. That leaves the big elephant on the room the size difference.
With skills being equal in my humble opinion would favor the 6'3" 200 plus pound fighter.

Sorry I can not see it any other way. I don't think Sugar Ray Leonard could of beaten Larry Holmes. And I could not see Sugar Ray Robinson beating Joe Louis.
The weight divisions are there for a reason

[AngryGoon38]

Thanks for you're reply comment tiny acres.
I definitely get you're points. I see where you're coming from for sure.
But I was also going to make another point of reference to seriously consider on behalf of my personal speculation scenarios.
I admit, I don't blame anyone as analyzing this particular hypothetical of mine as merely being too far fetched or even blatantly silly.

What about then, the case of "James Toney"..?!
He too was definitely a modernized version of the Amazing Boxer Warrior Legend "Sam Langford".
Look at what he pulled off. Started at 160, stayed at 168 for a good while, and then just kept on packing on excessive weight, and utilizing that extra weight to accomplish extraordinary feats. His height..? A mere 5'9..!!! Reach..? 72". Thats 2" less than Crawford. Only an inch taller than Crawford.

Reach is also size. Thick wrists are also size. Wide shoulders are also size. So is a thick neck and of course a granite jaw, which Hagler obviously had. I think Crawford can take a tremendous punch too. The Kavialkus kd was merely a flash kd. Crawford was definitely not hurt in the slightest. He was caught while off balance. It happens.
Back to my James Toney reference on behalf of my outlandish speculative hypothetical premise....
Did Toney not get the better of The Naturally Much Bigger and Stronger "Evander Holyfield"..?!
Toney was absolutely Special, of course, we can all agree on that. But is not Terrance Crawford at least relatively similar in terms of being A Special Specimen of a Boxer..?!

[margaret thatcher]

when langford was craw's age he was already weighing 190 pounds

canelo is a tank of a super middleweight and by 20 was already fighting a division up from where craw is now at 35. note that he already was soundly beaten at lhw and struggled vs a faded, vodka chugging kovalev, so one could argue the size got to him already too.

toney turned pro as a middle and by 30 was already boxing cruiser

crawford turned pro at lightweight and has only moved up to welter, where he's still at in his mid 30s. he's nowhere near the size of these guys, none of whom could come close to making 147 at his age



so the size comparison isnt even right, and then add in that usyk is a p4p level boxer - not callum smith or a shopworn evander holyfield - and hence you get people thinking you're high has a kite

[AngryGoon38]

when langford was craw's age he was already weighing 190 pounds

canelo is a tank of a super middleweight and by 20 was already fighting a division up from where craw is now at 35. note that he already was soundly beaten at lhw and struggled vs a faded, vodka chugging kovalev, so one could argue the size got to him already too.

toney turned pro as a middle and by 30 was already boxing cruiser

crawford turned pro at lightweight and has only moved up to welter, where he's still at in his mid 30s. he's nowhere near the size of these guys, none of whom could come close to making 147 at his age



so the size comparison isnt even right, and then add in that usyk is a p4p level boxer - not callum smith or a shopworn evander holyfield - and hence you get people thinking you're high has a kite

There is a YouTube video of Crawford displaying immense strength and natural talent, while out-wrestling an MMA fighter.
Crawford wasn't even in the early stages of his Boxing training camp condition.
He naturally goes about his business, usually weighing in the 170's. 165 at the very least, before a training camp in preparation for a boxing bout. He's still built rock solid with immense strength, while weighing in the 170's, pre Boxing training camp time-frame. I'll bet that he still has better than average fighting stamina even at that much higher bodyweight as well.

Canelo is a Tank. I agree. Toney was also a Tank. Tank Davis is a Tank. So is Crawford though.
They're all cut from the same cloth. A Tank is a Tank. They're all Tanks. Bulls. Big Little guys. Shapeshifters. Special Unique Fighting Warrior Specimen types. Duran was this as well, in his own right. Crawford is naturally bigger than Duran though.
Pacqiou is bigger boned than Duran was. 8" wrists to 6-1/4" for Duran.

Crawford has wrists similar to Pacqiou. That is a definitive measure of raw core size and naturally brawny manly man strength and power. If 5'5, 67" reach Pacqiou was able to defeat big 154 lb'ers, and 5'7, 66" reach, skinny wristed Duran was able to overcome and defeat the So Much Bigger and Stronger Huge MW Barkley(6'1 and 180+lbs at fight-time), and also at nearly 38, then how could Crawford not have a chance to at least put up a heckuva battle versus Usyk..?
I'm utterly certain that Crawford would've defeated Canelo, at 168.
It's just too bad that Crawford was so horribly managed and promoted.

He would've beaten Charlo at 154, GGG at 160, Canelo at 168, and then if the timing were right, he could've been the one who
got to fight Vodka Man for a 175 title, even if just for a lower tier LHW strap.
Then he would've been well sufficiently acclimated enough to be used to boxing at bigger bodyweight sizes, and he could
Be taking on the CW Champ by now. If Usyk had remained at CW then that would've been an incredibly interesting and monumental bout. It'd be Crawford attempting to tie Pacqiou's record of 8 separate divisional boxing titles.

[margaret thatcher]

usyk is an olympic champ and p4p boxer, he's an excellent athlete too and far far bigger, crawford would have to jump 6 divisions beyond anywhere he's every campaigned to beat an elite champ and p4p fighter boxing there, no one you mention has done anything close to that. if craw can become unified hw champ he should step up and go for it, would be a historic moment

what's your prediction for the fight, you write so much that i seem to have missed it

[AngryGoon38]

usyk is an olympic champ and p4p boxer, he's an excellent athlete too and far far bigger, crawford would have to jump 6 divisions beyond anywhere he's every campaigned to beat an elite champ and p4p fighter boxing there, no one you mention has done anything close to that. if craw can become unified hw champ he should step up and go for it, would be a historic moment

what's your prediction for the fight, you write so much that i seem to have missed it

My main point is that the current CW division(176-200) "Could" Technically enable a bout of this Extremeness Level.
If Crawford had been of the certain type of hypothetical mindset that I was hypothesizing, then something like this could've realistically come to fruition.
Usyk the Olympic Gold Medalist. So was "Neon Leon" Spinks. "Jorge Luis Gonzalez"(4-7 after the Bowe loss) was a tremendous amateur as well. Usyk is 6'3 with a modest 76" reach. He fought at CW(176-200) for quite some time. I realize that this hypothetical will simply remain as such. CW Should implement a Jr version, as I've stated before in other threads. Imo, 176-190 Should be Jr CW. Standard CW Should be 191-205.

To be a HW, a Boxer should be at least 206. And a 206 lb'er shouldn't be matched versus anyone beyond the 230's. That's my personal take. This stuff mainly is on behalf of the 90-95%+% of Boxers who are for the most part "Ordinary"...."Limited"...."With Very Humanistic based Vulnerabilities ".

Crawford is obviously just Very Special. He will unfortunately go down in boxing history as a should've would've could've though. And mostly due to...."Greed".
Pride Too.
Which ties in to An obviously profound fear of everyone seeing him getting overpowered by that certain someone.
Would Canelo and/or Usyk, or even Vodka Man Kovalov had been amongst those potential humiliators of Crawford..?
Possibly. But Terrance went the route of staying at 147, and for multiple pointless lame opponents/opposition, following the October 2018 bout and victory versus Benevidez.

Every one of his bouts beyond that point have been an Utter Stupid and Lame Waste, for himself and his ruined legacy, along with all the many fans that could've seen Terrance basically do what Pacqiou did. And imo, Crawford would've beaten what's his name at 154, first(The guy that Won the first bout versus Charlo), and then GGG at 160, and then Canelo at 168, and then Vodka Man Kovalov at 175. Then Terrance would've decided to go for it at CW. Win, lose, or draw. It would've been big-time Epic for Boxing fans, and highly inspirational for Many aspiring young prospects. But instead, the following happened with Crawford's disappointing lack of contribution to the World of Pro Boxing....
Spence bout never transpired. Not even a would've been interesting bout versus Virgil Ortiz, or Boots Ennis came into fruition.
Crawford could've would've should've become the next Pacqiou, but no. He's obviously too insecure and apparently he Ultimately lacked that special fighting quality called "Heart".

[margaret thatcher]

usyk has a 78 inch reach, to be nit picky. 6'3 /220/78.......nothing like craw has seen

what's your prediction on what would happen (in case i missed it again, my apologies if so)

[goose 5]

Usyk would probably rehydrate from 200 to almost 220. I give Bud no chance at all even if Usyk had to make 200 ringside.

[AngryGoon38]

usyk has a 78 inch reach, to be nit picky. 6'3 /220/78.......nothing like craw has seen

what's your prediction on what would happen (in case i missed it again, my apologies if so)

I think that Crawford would lose.
Probably by decision.
Somehow I think he'd escape being Ko'd or Tko'd.
Usyk is a chess-match type of boxer stylist and quite exclusively.
He's not a killer. He's Perfectly content to just stick with putting on a boxing clinic.
Especially ever since moving up to HW.(Note, if this bout were made pre 1979, Usyk could be a 220 lb'er HW facing a 176 lb very small but very brave and tough mini HW in the challenge of Crawford.)
But yeah, with Usyk, He's basically A combination of Chris Byrd, Calzahge(Later version of CaL), and Maxie Rosenbloom.
And I guess he's also kind of sort of a southpaw version of Tomasz Adamek.

Crawford is basically a bigger Pacqiou, especially in this particular bout.
I actually think that Usyk would quite profoundly respect Crawford's amazing abilities(Especially those sneaky power shots from the weird angles) and he'd just simply stick with remaining in a pure boxer mode, even if it made the crowd boo the daylights out of him, Ala- Wlad Klischko in cautious mode style approach.
Crawford would probably be the one pressing more and trying to score a Ko.
116-112 type of decision for Usyk.