Tyson Fury vs. Oleksandr Usyk | PPV - 18 May 2024

[mickey1975]

One would probably think that but it's not historically sound considering we have examples throughout the sports history where the "true," or, "real," or, "lineal" title was on the line such as Johnson-Jefferies or Charles-Louis or Frazier-Ali.

The title from Figg to Tunney essentially went unbroken, but a new lineage had to be established when Tunney retired and never came back. And that lineage held until Rocky Marciano retired and never came back and a new lineage had to be established. That lineage held basically until Lennox Lewis retired and never came back so a new lineage had to be established.

Wladimir Klitschko > Tyson Fury is the latest lineage. And I suspect a whole new lineage will have to be created if Tyson Fury retires undefeated and never unretires. Whether people like it or not it always was a part of the sports history of who was considered the real champion versus the pretender or interim champion.

Why are you ducking my question?

Because it’s tiresome, mate. You seem to be determined to get me to come round to your way of thinking almost daily when I simply won’t. We could argue all day and it isn’t going to change. Facts are facts. Long live The Gypsy King.

[The Gratest]

If and when Tyson Fury fights Usyk and wins, I will be playing that Randy Travis song "I Told You So." No longer replying to this joke of a thread overrun by rude individuals who take grudges from other areas of the forum and bring it into other threads. You people literally are killjoys.

Well, don't lie all the time then.

[887986]

If and when Tyson Fury fights Usyk and wins, I will be playing that Randy Travis song "I Told You So." No longer replying to this joke of a thread overrun by rude individuals who take grudges from other areas of the forum and bring it into other threads. You people literally are killjoys.

You mean the thread where you talked about how Usyk, a 6’3 220 lbs man (= size of prime Ali and Foreman), is roughly the same size as Paris Fury, and how he is suspicious for using PEDs?

You certainly did your best to keep the discussion serious and profound indeed.

[margaret thatcher]

at least we got the 6'3 220 pound paris fury gem out of the joke thread

[Ruthless-RKO]

Fury is doing the same thing he did before December.

He said he would fight 3/12 whether his opponent was AJ or not.

It’s the same thing now. He’s gonna fight 29/4 whether it’s Usyk or not.

[big lennox]

Fury is doing the same thing he did before December.

He said he would fight 3/12 whether his opponent was AJ or not.

It’s the same thing now. He’s gonna fight 29/4 whether it’s Usyk or not.

Absolutely. He has no intention of boxing Uysk or anyone with half a chance of success against him. Imagine in tennis if Federer declined to face Nadal or Djkovic, or, in snooker, Ronnie O'Sullivan went missing and never took on Judd Trump and Mark Selby etc. Ditto cricket, it would be like the late, great, Shane Warne 'retiring' instead of bowling to the best batsmen of his era.

They did take on the best, Fury, by contrast, just doesn't have the same level of bottle as them. He seems to lack the metal and ambition of genuinely great sports stars.

[polecateddy]

Fury is doing the same thing he did before December.

He said he would fight 3/12 whether his opponent was AJ or not.

It’s the same thing now. He’s gonna fight 29/4 whether it’s Usyk or not.

Absolutely. He has no intention of boxing Uysk or anyone with half a chance of success against him. Imagine in tennis if Federer declined to face Nadal or Djkovic, or, in snooker, Ronnie O'Sullivan went missing and never took on Judd Trump and Mark Selby etc. Ditto cricket, it would be like the late, great, Shane Warne 'retiring' instead of bowling to the best batsmen of his era.

They did take on the best, Fury, by contrast, just doesn't have the same level of bottle as them. He seems to lack the metal and ambition of genuinely great sports stars.

That’s the nail on the head really. Any post-career assessment of Fury will have to factor in this fear to face people who might have been competitive. If he’s psyched out by Usyk, Joshua, Joyce etc, god help him that he ever had to courage to get in the ring with a peak Mike Tyson or Lennox Lewis. He may well have just bottled it!

[mickey1975]

Fury is doing the same thing he did before December.

He said he would fight 3/12 whether his opponent was AJ or not.

It’s the same thing now. He’s gonna fight 29/4 whether it’s Usyk or not.

Absolutely. He has no intention of boxing Uysk or anyone with half a chance of success against him. Imagine in tennis if Federer declined to face Nadal or Djkovic, or, in snooker, Ronnie O'Sullivan went missing and never took on Judd Trump and Mark Selby etc. Ditto cricket, it would be like the late, great, Shane Warne 'retiring' instead of bowling to the best batsmen of his era.

They did take on the best, Fury, by contrast, just doesn't have the same level of bottle as them. He seems to lack the metal and ambition of genuinely great sports stars.

That’s the nail on the head really. Any post-career assessment of Fury will have to factor in this fear to face people who might have been competitive. If he’s psyched out by Usyk, Joshua, Joyce etc, god help him that he ever had to courage to get in the ring with a peak Mike Tyson or Lennox Lewis. He may well have just bottled it!

You could have chosen someone better than those two! Mike bottled it countless times. Only acted clever against Berbick and co…

[Teddy's Toupee]

Fury is doing the same thing he did before December.

He said he would fight 3/12 whether his opponent was AJ or not.

It’s the same thing now. He’s gonna fight 29/4 whether it’s Usyk or not.

Absolutely. He has no intention of boxing Uysk or anyone with half a chance of success against him. Imagine in tennis if Federer declined to face Nadal or Djkovic, or, in snooker, Ronnie O'Sullivan went missing and never took on Judd Trump and Mark Selby etc. Ditto cricket, it would be like the late, great, Shane Warne 'retiring' instead of bowling to the best batsmen of his era.

They did take on the best, Fury, by contrast, just doesn't have the same level of bottle as them. He seems to lack the metal and ambition of genuinely great sports stars.

That’s the nail on the head really. Any post-career assessment of Fury will have to factor in this fear to face people who might have been competitive. If he’s psyched out by Usyk, Joshua, Joyce etc, god help him that he ever had to courage to get in the ring with a peak Mike Tyson or Lennox Lewis. He may well have just bottled it!

Don't type such rubbish! The Gypsy King fears no man born from his mother's c*nt(as he so eloquently, and charmingly, said himself), especially if he's already beaten them in a boxing match. Except, of course, for Vladimir Klitschko when Fury bottled out of a rematch where he wouldn't have been able to juice himself up to the gills with nandrolone.

[lefthook82]

The fight won't happen

[The Gratest]

It's a damn shame the Saudi's couldn't meet somewhere in the middle to satisfy Fury's 2 demands. Either £500mil or fighting for free, you'd like to think a compromise could have been met, but I guess not.

[Ruthless-RKO]

It's a damn shame the Saudi's couldn't meet somewhere in the middle to satisfy Fury's 2 demands. Either £500mil or fighting for free, you'd like to think a compromise could have been met, but I guess not.

Yeh. How dare the Saudi’s not allow this fight to happen.

Usyk was easy. Negotiated fine.

Fury seems to make deals much quicker with boxers we all know he’d beat or is very confident in beating.

Not saying Fury can’t beat Usyk or Joshua. But doesn’t look like we’re gonna find out.

[Grilling Machine]

Fury can't walk away with his fanbase intact, so it might happen yet (I'll give it one more week). Previously he's been able to say he's the star and didn't see that reflected in the money, and against Joshua coming from losses that was a fair take.

The difference this time is that undisputed's much bigger than either, with half on the table for all the marbles, and Usyk's agreed. Maybe Fury does bring more money for both, but that's arguably offset by home advantage at Wembley.

It's likely to be the biggest heavyweight fight this generation, and it's waiting on Fury. It's not even like it's a fight he can't win, so he's off to Bowetown if he doesn't sign.

[tonyevs]

It's about ego for Fury.

His sees himself as an Ali .. a person who transcends boxing. Idolised inside the ring and outside the ring as much too.

He has become so rich and successful now it has closed himself off to reality. He wants his terms because he feels he can insist them.

Hopefully the big fk-off from the Saudis have given him the wake up jolt he needs and he reconsiders.

[Ruthless-RKO]

Yeh. You don’t think like that as boxers.

You get put on them pedestals by the fans and experts

Right now he’s falling off

[DrDuke]

It's about ego for Fury.

His sees himself as an Ali .. a person who transcends boxing. Idolised inside the ring and outside the ring as much too.

He has become so rich and successful now it has closed himself off to reality. He wants his terms because he feels he can insist them.

Hopefully the big fk-off from the Saudis have given him the wake up jolt he needs and he reconsiders.

I doubt it's plain ego. He wanted the super-huge money fight vs Joshua after the covid layoff, but the contractual obligations with Wilder didn't let it happen. Then Joshua got into the Usyk affair, which was slowed down because Usyk let himself affected by the situation in his homecountry. Even after the losses to Usyk still Joshua was given an opportunity to fight Fury, but he abandoned his plans to fight in December 22 and decided to rest til April 23. After all these failures to make the super-money fight Fury tries to cash out as much as possible with what is available.

[ashall2]

Thought the People's Champ would fight for free and didn't care about money? Seems like he's the only one holding this up.

Prediction: he'll fight someone else then do a million interviews about how the 'sh!thouse middleweight dosser didn't want no smoke'

[polecateddy]

Thought the People's Champ would fight for free and didn't care about money? Seems like he's the only one holding this up.

Prediction: he'll fight someone else then do a million interviews about how the 'sh!thouse middleweight dosser didn't want no smoke'

I think a lot of us were predicting that from the start. Fury is spooked and just wants to fight people he knows he can beat. I’d expect to see Fury v Wallin or somebody of that ilk next.

[Ruthless-RKO]

Thought the People's Champ would fight for free and didn't care about money? Seems like he's the only one holding this up.

Prediction: he'll fight someone else then do a million interviews about how the 'sh!thouse middleweight dosser didn't want no smoke'

I think a lot of us were predicting that from the start. Fury is spooked and just wants to fight people he knows he can beat. I’d expect to see Fury v Wallin or somebody of that ilk next.

He may as well just rematch Wallin.

Out that to bed. Wallin is just begging it anyway.

[jtourettes]

It's a damn shame the Saudi's couldn't meet somewhere in the middle to satisfy Fury's 2 demands. Either £500mil or fighting for free, you'd like to think a compromise could have been met, but I guess not.

He's Schrödinger's boxer. He fights for free and £500m at the same time.

[HomicideHenry]

He seems pretty calm about it that it's going to happen in April.

[The Gratest]

He has about as much say in it happening at Wembley as you or I. All he confirmed was it's now not happening in Saudi and that they didn't want it anyway (possibly due to one party's demands).

[mickey1975]

He has about as much say in it happening at Wembley as you or I. All he confirmed was it's now not happening in Saudi and that they didn't want it anyway (possibly due to one party's demands).

You have to hold AJ responsible for this. They invested a lot into his tepid performance against Ruiz and then Usyk, where, at least he tried but his disgraceful behaviour afterwards will not have gone unnoticed. All the publicity was bad. I don't blame them for being cautious although with two real pros we would be unlikely to see a repeat of last Augusts shame.

[keithmoonhangover]

I wonder if Fwank and Uncle Bob have sent contracts out to anyone else?

[polecateddy]

He has about as much say in it happening at Wembley as you or I. All he confirmed was it's now not happening in Saudi and that they didn't want it anyway (possibly due to one party's demands).

You have to hold AJ responsible for this. They invested a lot into his tepid performance against Ruiz and then Usyk, where, at least he tried but his disgraceful behaviour afterwards will not have gone unnoticed. All the publicity was bad. I don't blame them for being cautious although with two real pros we would be unlikely to see a repeat of last Augusts shame.

Highly unlikely I’d say, as one person isn’t going to turn up!