Canelo ... Is the P4P No 1 crown teetering on his head ?

[gilgamesh]

I mean if Canelo came back and beat Bivol clear in a rematch I think that would probably restore him to P4P #1. Or if he got 3 significant wins over other top guys in a row.

It's not as if Canelo can't get his way back. He'd just need a sustained run of excellence or to avenge his loss to as the Beatles might say. Get Back to where he once belonged.

[squiggy]

But in the SMW division depending on what's at stake you'll draw interest from 160 and 175.
Cruiserweight, you're drawing attention from just Cruiserweights maybe LH, Heavyweights aren't coming down.
It's just one of those divisions.
I don't know, I just feel the P4P Number 1 spot shouldn't be sold off at a fire sale price and given to someone who is the flavor of the month, you got to earn this and it doesn't come cheap which is why so few boxers have owned it outright.

It’s a toss up. A lot of websites/experts have it between Usyk and Inoue.

Had Canelo not lost last year, he’d still be there.

Websites/Experts
Most of them probably feel like they have to make someone P4P number 1.
What it really means is a "Temporary P4P Number 1".
Shane Mosley was a "Temporary P4P Number 1".
Sergey Kovalev was a "Temporary P4P Number 1".
Bernard Hopkins was a "Temporary P4P Number 1".
There has been lots of them.
If you don't feel Canelo is worthy and Usyk isn't quite there it could fall into the P4P Number 1 crown is vacant or teetering on Canelo's head.

How can number one be vacant? It isn't about being an all-time great. By definition, somebody is number one at any given time.

[Thomastearns]

canelo lost both of his first 2 fights to ggg. clearly at that. back 2 back. golovkin got fvcked over.

canelo's record states otherwise, so while plain and obvious corruption enabled canelo to claim p4p king, it was golovkin who objectively was the real numero uno.

considering this, then when was canelo the 'real p4p number one'? was he already before the first golovkin robbery?

Most people in boxing understand this, but they also understand that their bread is buttered on the Canelo side.

As they say, you can't bite the hand that feeds you.

Unless you're as crazy as Adrien Broner of course.

It's 2023 and crazy is still selling well.

[Evander]

It’s a toss up. A lot of websites/experts have it between Usyk and Inoue.

Had Canelo not lost last year, he’d still be there.

Websites/Experts
Most of them probably feel like they have to make someone P4P number 1.
What it really means is a "Temporary P4P Number 1".
Shane Mosley was a "Temporary P4P Number 1".
Sergey Kovalev was a "Temporary P4P Number 1".
Bernard Hopkins was a "Temporary P4P Number 1".
There has been lots of them.
If you don't feel Canelo is worthy and Usyk isn't quite there it could fall into the P4P Number 1 crown is vacant or teetering on Canelo's head.

It's not though. Usyk is wearing it. Bivol knocked the crown off of Canelo's head. Nobody coming off a loss ever remained P4P #1.

I think Roy Jones Jr did.
Montell Griffin beat him by DQ which didn't count for much and the dust had barely settled on that when Roy blew him out in under 1 round.

[Evander]

It’s a toss up. A lot of websites/experts have it between Usyk and Inoue.

Had Canelo not lost last year, he’d still be there.

Websites/Experts
Most of them probably feel like they have to make someone P4P number 1.
What it really means is a "Temporary P4P Number 1".
Shane Mosley was a "Temporary P4P Number 1".
Sergey Kovalev was a "Temporary P4P Number 1".
Bernard Hopkins was a "Temporary P4P Number 1".
There has been lots of them.
If you don't feel Canelo is worthy and Usyk isn't quite there it could fall into the P4P Number 1 crown is vacant or teetering on Canelo's head.

How can number one be vacant? It isn't about being an all-time great. By definition, somebody is number one at any given time.

I don't know, the P4P Number 1 title is so subjective that it could be argued all day long and we'd still not get a clear consensus.
When I look back at previous boxers that have held it, they all have one thing in common, I can't think of an opponent around them that could come close to beating them while they were on top.
Pernell Whitaker was P4P Number 1 and still to this day at his best I couldn't tell you how to beat him and who could have done it.
Roy Jones Jr was another and so was Floyd Mayweather.
For me, It rarely happens that I can't think of a style to beat certain boxers, with the boxers I have named I genuinely couldn't think of a boxer or style that could beat them while they were P4P Number 1 at that time, that's how good they were.
Guess for me that's part of what it takes to be on top.

[gilgamesh]

Websites/Experts
Most of them probably feel like they have to make someone P4P number 1.
What it really means is a "Temporary P4P Number 1".
Shane Mosley was a "Temporary P4P Number 1".
Sergey Kovalev was a "Temporary P4P Number 1".
Bernard Hopkins was a "Temporary P4P Number 1".
There has been lots of them.
If you don't feel Canelo is worthy and Usyk isn't quite there it could fall into the P4P Number 1 crown is vacant or teetering on Canelo's head.

It's not though. Usyk is wearing it. Bivol knocked the crown off of Canelo's head. Nobody coming off a loss ever remained P4P #1.

I think Roy Jones Jr did.
Montell Griffin beat him by DQ which didn't count for much and the dust had barely settled on that when Roy blew him out in under 1 round.

Whitaker and De La Hoya were hovering in the conversation around that time too I think. Boxing is ever moving like that.

[squiggy]

I don't think you should necessarily lose P4P status for every loss. Like if you jump up into a division you haven't fought in before to challenge a very good champion and you don't win that fight, I mean... nobody's ever going to be the best at every single weight class.

[squiggy]

Like, an alternate universe Floyd Mayweather Jr. who moved up and lost to Gennady Golovkin or Carl Froch. It'd be like... just move back down, dude, you're still the best fighter.