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Crawford: I Really Don't Think It'll Damage My Legacy If Spence Fight Doesn't Happen
“Well, I think it’s a great fight for both our legacies and for boxing as a whole,” Crawford told host Max Kellerman. “But at the same time, you know, I think, you know, a lotta people is reaching when they say it’s gonna damage my legacy. You know, I’m a three-weight world champion, I’m a former undisputed world champion. You know, I have accomplished a lot in boxing. You know, so I really don’t think it’ll damage my legacy. You know, it’ll just go down as one of the biggest fights that never happened.”
“When you look back at, you know, ‘Sugar’ Ray Leonard versus Aaron Pryor,” Crawford said, “they never fought each other and, you know, both of them is still considered two of the greatest fighters that ever fought.”
“By no means am I not saying that it’s not important to get that fight,” Crawford said. “You know, like I been saying for years, that’s the fight that I want. That’s the fight that I been trying to secure. That’s the fight that fans wanna see. You know, but at some point, you know, all you could do is so much. I been doing all that I can to try to get that fight, and I’m still the one to be blamed for not making the fight happen. You know, so I’m gonna continue to try to, you know, get that fight done and, you know, sealed, so everybody can see who the best fighter in the world is. You know, that’s all I could do. That’s all I could do.”
“Well, I think it’s a great fight for both our legacies and for boxing as a whole,” Crawford told host Max Kellerman. “But at the same time, you know, I think, you know, a lotta people is reaching when they say it’s gonna damage my legacy. You know, I’m a three-weight world champion, I’m a former undisputed world champion. You know, I have accomplished a lot in boxing. You know, so I really don’t think it’ll damage my legacy. You know, it’ll just go down as one of the biggest fights that never happened.”
“When you look back at, you know, ‘Sugar’ Ray Leonard versus Aaron Pryor,” Crawford said, “they never fought each other and, you know, both of them is still considered two of the greatest fighters that ever fought.”
“By no means am I not saying that it’s not important to get that fight,” Crawford said. “You know, like I been saying for years, that’s the fight that I want. That’s the fight that I been trying to secure. That’s the fight that fans wanna see. You know, but at some point, you know, all you could do is so much. I been doing all that I can to try to get that fight, and I’m still the one to be blamed for not making the fight happen. You know, so I’m gonna continue to try to, you know, get that fight done and, you know, sealed, so everybody can see who the best fighter in the world is. You know, that’s all I could do. That’s all I could do.”
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Hearn Says He Has 'Bit of Sympathy' For Haymon in Spence-Crawford Negotiations
“I have a little bit of sympathy for Al in the Spence-Crawford fight, because the fight is not as big as people think it is,” Hearn told FightHubTV. “And I’ve said this before, and I’ve had criticism for this. You have to understand, whatever you think of me, whatever you think of Al Haymon, we do know the business and the numbers like the back of our hand. We do this all the time. I can’t have an argument with someone on Twitter who tells me Spence-Crawford does a million buys, yet we know that if you’re setting a line on a guarantee you set that line at 350 or 400,000 buys. If I’m putting my money up, that’s where I’m comfortable with the line.”
“That doesn’t mean that’s the number that Al’s comfortable with but ultimately when a fight’s big enough, the fighters don’t really need a guarantee, and they don’t really ask for one,” Hearn said. “I go back to Fury against AJ. There was no guarantee. It was just all the money in the pot. Everyone knows how big that fight is. It’s not a case of ‘oh it might do this.’ We all know how big it is. But we just don’t know with Spence-Crawford. It’s a tremendous fight. It could do 700 or 800,000 buys. But what if it does 300 (thousand)? Who foots the bill? And obviously Al Haymon wasn’t prepared to foot the bill.”
“I have a little bit of sympathy for Al in the Spence-Crawford fight, because the fight is not as big as people think it is,” Hearn told FightHubTV. “And I’ve said this before, and I’ve had criticism for this. You have to understand, whatever you think of me, whatever you think of Al Haymon, we do know the business and the numbers like the back of our hand. We do this all the time. I can’t have an argument with someone on Twitter who tells me Spence-Crawford does a million buys, yet we know that if you’re setting a line on a guarantee you set that line at 350 or 400,000 buys. If I’m putting my money up, that’s where I’m comfortable with the line.”
“That doesn’t mean that’s the number that Al’s comfortable with but ultimately when a fight’s big enough, the fighters don’t really need a guarantee, and they don’t really ask for one,” Hearn said. “I go back to Fury against AJ. There was no guarantee. It was just all the money in the pot. Everyone knows how big that fight is. It’s not a case of ‘oh it might do this.’ We all know how big it is. But we just don’t know with Spence-Crawford. It’s a tremendous fight. It could do 700 or 800,000 buys. But what if it does 300 (thousand)? Who foots the bill? And obviously Al Haymon wasn’t prepared to foot the bill.”
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Spence says he will fight May, June.
“I was gonna have a fight announcement probably like three, four days after my accident,” Spence said. “But, you know, stuff started hurtin’ and things like that, so we kinda pushed it back and [will] wait on an announcement.”
“Probably like around May or June – May or June, April, May or June,” said Spence, who didn’t give specific details about his injuries. “I’ve just gotta, you know, talk to my team, you know. Hopefully, you know, I’ll recover a hundred percent. I’m sure I’ll recover a hundred percent because I’ve been in worse accidents. I’ve been in worse accidents. But, you know, talk to my team, you know, and hopefully come up with a day that suits both of us and make it happen.”
“I was gonna have a fight announcement probably like three, four days after my accident,” Spence said. “But, you know, stuff started hurtin’ and things like that, so we kinda pushed it back and [will] wait on an announcement.”
“Probably like around May or June – May or June, April, May or June,” said Spence, who didn’t give specific details about his injuries. “I’ve just gotta, you know, talk to my team, you know. Hopefully, you know, I’ll recover a hundred percent. I’m sure I’ll recover a hundred percent because I’ve been in worse accidents. I’ve been in worse accidents. But, you know, talk to my team, you know, and hopefully come up with a day that suits both of us and make it happen.”
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Showtime Head on Crawford’s ‘Transparency’ Demands: Absolutely Baffling; Got to Have Certain Level of Trust
Showtime Sports President Stephen Espinoza doesn’t feel that the sticking point that apparently led to the breakdown in negotiations for the undisputed welterweight championship was a reasonable one.
Errol Spence, the WBA, WBC, and IBF 147-pound champion, and Terence Crawford, the WBO titlist, were engaged in serious discussions to face each other late last year. But talks unexpectedly nosedived, leading Crawford to pursue a fight with David Avanesyan, whom he ended up stopping in six rounds in December.
Spence is reportedly headed for a junior middleweight fight against Keith Thurman in the spring.
A key factor that led to the unravelling of negotiations, according to Crawford, was a failure to receive full “financial transparency” from Spence’s chief handler, Al Haymon, the founder of Premier Boxing Champions. Crawford apparently wanted Haymon to be forthcoming on the accounting but contends Haymon was ultimately not willing to do that. Otherwise, most other important terms were agreed to, including, according to Crawford, a willingness to fight without a guaranteed purse, the assumption being that Crawford was content with getting a percentage of the overall revenue from the fight.
The transparency aspect was important to Crawford because, as he himself has repeatedly put it, Haymon’s duty (fiduciary, etc.) is to look out for Spence and his interests, not Crawford’s. As a result, Crawford, a free agent who has never previously been involved with Haymon or featured on a PBC event, understandably felt that he needed as much protection as possible.
“So, you know, even though I knew I was getting f---ed in the long run, I just, you know, wanted a little transparency,” Crawford said in a much-publicized Instagram Live Session several months ago. “I said, ‘OK, if I’m gonna bet on myself, and I’m gonna go against all the odds, then I want a, you know what I mean, a little transparency.’ You know, I wanna be able to write off on, you know, things that’s gonna affect my check. Of course, I wanna see if the numbers add up to what they tellin’ me.”
Financial transparency, as Spence understood it, was that Crawford wanted an ability to have “approval over expenses” and other ancillary financial aspects. Spence, in a series of tweets last year, lambasted Crawford for what he felt were unrealistic demands, including his apparent desire to have the ability sign off on certain “agreements.”
In a recent interview, Showtime’s Espinoza echoed Spence’s frustrations, at least from the standpoint of Showtime. Espinoza was intimately involved in discussions for Spence-Crawford, as Showtime was expected to produce the card; Showtime has an exclusive arrangement to showcase fighters aligned with Haymon’s PBC. Espinoza simply feels Crawfords idea of transparency is not in line with business reality and that an element of “trust” is required.
"The transparency (request) is absolutely baffling,” Espinoza told FightHubTV. “He got that in black & white. I’ve seen the contract. It’s there in black & white. The reality is we collect the money, we do the accounting. You can’t do accounting without being transparent. It depends on what transparent means. To most it means I know what the revenues are, I know what the expenses are, I know what the deductions are, it’s all out in the open. That has never been an issue on this fight or any other fight that we’ve been involved with.
“Here’s where it gets a little more complicated. I get the right to approve expenses. First of all, I have a problem with that because what’s going to happen when I tell you, ‘OK, this is what TV production costs,’ and you say, ‘No, I think it would be cheaper.’ So, wait a minute. Now, I can’t produce it? We’ve been doing this quite a while. I know what it costs. … We’re not going to go into a promotion and have the risk of someone saying to us, two weeks out, no I don’t like that contract, I’m not signing it. Or go into it and say we’re waiting for a fighter signature and I don’t know when he’s going to get around to viewing this expense and signing it. It’s just not a realistic way to do business.
“You’ve got to have a certain level of trust,” Espinoza continued. “There are certain protections, disclosures you can do up front, but the reality is the ability to approve everything along the way, there’s no one who is ever going to do it. The reality is that there is no way people are going to go into it and start spending a bunch of money and then let’s say two weeks out somebody gets a bug up their ass about an expense and says, you know what, I don’t want you to spend any more marketing. Who’s going to go into a deal where you’re at someone else’s mercy until the very last second?”
Espinoza fears that Crawford’s demand for greater administrative supervision could lead to mishaps, perhaps even a debacle. By way of example, Espinoza recalled the ticket controversy ahead of the showdown between Manny Pacquiao and Floyd Mayweather Jr. in 2015. The public sale of tickets to the much ballyhooed welterweight match did not occur until less than two weeks before the night of the fight because of an allocation dispute between the camps of both fighters. Espinoza is concerned that a similar stalemate might occur if Crawford is given bilateral power.
“The reality is, if you’re asking to approve expenses, the question is, what if you don’t approve? What happens?” Espinoza posited. “We saw this, and this is a great example of Mayweather-Pacquiao. You remember it well. So, we had this weird situation where the tickets weren’t released until ten days before the week of. Why was that? Because the parties had mutual approval and they reached an impasse, and everybody was screwed.
“That is the cautionary tale. So it’s great to say, ‘okay, mutual approval,’ but what if you don’t approve? What are the repercussions there, and how is it resolved? If your position is, ‘No, it has to be mutual approval, and I have the ability to blow it up at any point up until fight night,’ you’re not going to get a lot of people taking that deal because you'll end up with something like Mayweather-Pacquiao but worse.”
Showtime Sports President Stephen Espinoza doesn’t feel that the sticking point that apparently led to the breakdown in negotiations for the undisputed welterweight championship was a reasonable one.
Errol Spence, the WBA, WBC, and IBF 147-pound champion, and Terence Crawford, the WBO titlist, were engaged in serious discussions to face each other late last year. But talks unexpectedly nosedived, leading Crawford to pursue a fight with David Avanesyan, whom he ended up stopping in six rounds in December.
Spence is reportedly headed for a junior middleweight fight against Keith Thurman in the spring.
A key factor that led to the unravelling of negotiations, according to Crawford, was a failure to receive full “financial transparency” from Spence’s chief handler, Al Haymon, the founder of Premier Boxing Champions. Crawford apparently wanted Haymon to be forthcoming on the accounting but contends Haymon was ultimately not willing to do that. Otherwise, most other important terms were agreed to, including, according to Crawford, a willingness to fight without a guaranteed purse, the assumption being that Crawford was content with getting a percentage of the overall revenue from the fight.
The transparency aspect was important to Crawford because, as he himself has repeatedly put it, Haymon’s duty (fiduciary, etc.) is to look out for Spence and his interests, not Crawford’s. As a result, Crawford, a free agent who has never previously been involved with Haymon or featured on a PBC event, understandably felt that he needed as much protection as possible.
“So, you know, even though I knew I was getting f---ed in the long run, I just, you know, wanted a little transparency,” Crawford said in a much-publicized Instagram Live Session several months ago. “I said, ‘OK, if I’m gonna bet on myself, and I’m gonna go against all the odds, then I want a, you know what I mean, a little transparency.’ You know, I wanna be able to write off on, you know, things that’s gonna affect my check. Of course, I wanna see if the numbers add up to what they tellin’ me.”
Financial transparency, as Spence understood it, was that Crawford wanted an ability to have “approval over expenses” and other ancillary financial aspects. Spence, in a series of tweets last year, lambasted Crawford for what he felt were unrealistic demands, including his apparent desire to have the ability sign off on certain “agreements.”
In a recent interview, Showtime’s Espinoza echoed Spence’s frustrations, at least from the standpoint of Showtime. Espinoza was intimately involved in discussions for Spence-Crawford, as Showtime was expected to produce the card; Showtime has an exclusive arrangement to showcase fighters aligned with Haymon’s PBC. Espinoza simply feels Crawfords idea of transparency is not in line with business reality and that an element of “trust” is required.
"The transparency (request) is absolutely baffling,” Espinoza told FightHubTV. “He got that in black & white. I’ve seen the contract. It’s there in black & white. The reality is we collect the money, we do the accounting. You can’t do accounting without being transparent. It depends on what transparent means. To most it means I know what the revenues are, I know what the expenses are, I know what the deductions are, it’s all out in the open. That has never been an issue on this fight or any other fight that we’ve been involved with.
“Here’s where it gets a little more complicated. I get the right to approve expenses. First of all, I have a problem with that because what’s going to happen when I tell you, ‘OK, this is what TV production costs,’ and you say, ‘No, I think it would be cheaper.’ So, wait a minute. Now, I can’t produce it? We’ve been doing this quite a while. I know what it costs. … We’re not going to go into a promotion and have the risk of someone saying to us, two weeks out, no I don’t like that contract, I’m not signing it. Or go into it and say we’re waiting for a fighter signature and I don’t know when he’s going to get around to viewing this expense and signing it. It’s just not a realistic way to do business.
“You’ve got to have a certain level of trust,” Espinoza continued. “There are certain protections, disclosures you can do up front, but the reality is the ability to approve everything along the way, there’s no one who is ever going to do it. The reality is that there is no way people are going to go into it and start spending a bunch of money and then let’s say two weeks out somebody gets a bug up their ass about an expense and says, you know what, I don’t want you to spend any more marketing. Who’s going to go into a deal where you’re at someone else’s mercy until the very last second?”
Espinoza fears that Crawford’s demand for greater administrative supervision could lead to mishaps, perhaps even a debacle. By way of example, Espinoza recalled the ticket controversy ahead of the showdown between Manny Pacquiao and Floyd Mayweather Jr. in 2015. The public sale of tickets to the much ballyhooed welterweight match did not occur until less than two weeks before the night of the fight because of an allocation dispute between the camps of both fighters. Espinoza is concerned that a similar stalemate might occur if Crawford is given bilateral power.
“The reality is, if you’re asking to approve expenses, the question is, what if you don’t approve? What happens?” Espinoza posited. “We saw this, and this is a great example of Mayweather-Pacquiao. You remember it well. So, we had this weird situation where the tickets weren’t released until ten days before the week of. Why was that? Because the parties had mutual approval and they reached an impasse, and everybody was screwed.
“That is the cautionary tale. So it’s great to say, ‘okay, mutual approval,’ but what if you don’t approve? What are the repercussions there, and how is it resolved? If your position is, ‘No, it has to be mutual approval, and I have the ability to blow it up at any point up until fight night,’ you’re not going to get a lot of people taking that deal because you'll end up with something like Mayweather-Pacquiao but worse.”
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I had almost flushed this Battle of the Entitled Princesses from my memory.
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Spence probably thinks every year this gets pushed back the more it favours him.
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I think the world has lost interest in this now. Why not put Leonard Duran IV on the undercard - it would only be slightly more irrelevant
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Showtime Head on Making Spence-Crawford: I'm Not Gonna Give Up Until Both of Them Are Retired
Stephen Espinoza says he will not stop trying to make Errol Spence Jr. vs Terence Crawford so long as both fighters are active.
In a recent interview on the Boxing with Chris Mannix Podcast, Espinoza, the president of Showtime Sports, offered some measured optimism as it relates to cutting a deal between the two fighters for the undisputed welterweight championship.
Boxing fans were greeted with disappointing news at the end of last year when Spence and Crawford, who had been in what seemed like promising negotiations, failed to consummate a deal. Crawford went his own way, deciding to face David Avanesyan in December; Crawford won by sixth-round technical knockout.
Spence, who as a result of the bungled talks only fought once last year, is expected to return to the ring later in the spring, presumably against Keith Thurman in a fight that could take place at the 154-pound limit.
Spence, 33, is backed by Al Haymon of Premier Boxing Champions, which has an exclusive output deal with Showtime, while Crawford, 35, is a free agent.
Recently, there have been indications that Crawford could possibly link up with Oscar De La Hoya’s Golden Boy Promotions. Crawford is reportedly in talks with the company to fight Alexis Rocha. Last week, BS.com reported that the WBO formally ordered that bout.
Despite that development, Espinoza was “more optimistic than not” in seeing a Spence-Crawford fight, if not next, then sometime down the line. Espinoza stated unequivocally that he would not stop trying to find a way to make the fight work, so long as both fighters remain
“I would say six and a half (out of ten),” Espinoza said when asked to put a number on Spence-Crawford happening. “I think I’m more optimistic than not that it does happen. I know there’s still interest. I know there’s still a desire on the Spence side. I believe Crawford when he says he’s interested as well. As long as no one has given up, and I don’t think anyone has, there are certainly obstacles. The Rocha [fight] the sanctioning body ordered being one of them.
“But I’m not gonna give up. I’m not gonna give up until either one of them or both of them are retired.”
Stephen Espinoza says he will not stop trying to make Errol Spence Jr. vs Terence Crawford so long as both fighters are active.
In a recent interview on the Boxing with Chris Mannix Podcast, Espinoza, the president of Showtime Sports, offered some measured optimism as it relates to cutting a deal between the two fighters for the undisputed welterweight championship.
Boxing fans were greeted with disappointing news at the end of last year when Spence and Crawford, who had been in what seemed like promising negotiations, failed to consummate a deal. Crawford went his own way, deciding to face David Avanesyan in December; Crawford won by sixth-round technical knockout.
Spence, who as a result of the bungled talks only fought once last year, is expected to return to the ring later in the spring, presumably against Keith Thurman in a fight that could take place at the 154-pound limit.
Spence, 33, is backed by Al Haymon of Premier Boxing Champions, which has an exclusive output deal with Showtime, while Crawford, 35, is a free agent.
Recently, there have been indications that Crawford could possibly link up with Oscar De La Hoya’s Golden Boy Promotions. Crawford is reportedly in talks with the company to fight Alexis Rocha. Last week, BS.com reported that the WBO formally ordered that bout.
Despite that development, Espinoza was “more optimistic than not” in seeing a Spence-Crawford fight, if not next, then sometime down the line. Espinoza stated unequivocally that he would not stop trying to find a way to make the fight work, so long as both fighters remain
“I would say six and a half (out of ten),” Espinoza said when asked to put a number on Spence-Crawford happening. “I think I’m more optimistic than not that it does happen. I know there’s still interest. I know there’s still a desire on the Spence side. I believe Crawford when he says he’s interested as well. As long as no one has given up, and I don’t think anyone has, there are certainly obstacles. The Rocha [fight] the sanctioning body ordered being one of them.
“But I’m not gonna give up. I’m not gonna give up until either one of them or both of them are retired.”
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Noone cares now
This fights overcooked and lost its aura
Embarrassing
This fights overcooked and lost its aura
Embarrassing
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Errol Spence vs Terence Crawford reportedly finally set to happen on June 17 in Las Vegas
Errol Spence vs Terence Crawford is reportedly now finally set to take place for the undisputed welterweight world titles on June 17 in Las Vegas.
According to Ring Magazine, the fight between WBA, WBC and IBF champion Spence and WBO champion Crawford is now made with an announcement expected to come during Gervonta Davis vs Ryan Garcia on April 22.
Errol Spence vs Terence Crawford is reportedly now finally set to take place for the undisputed welterweight world titles on June 17 in Las Vegas.
According to Ring Magazine, the fight between WBA, WBC and IBF champion Spence and WBO champion Crawford is now made with an announcement expected to come during Gervonta Davis vs Ryan Garcia on April 22.
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It is believed the official announcement will be made at the Gervonta Davis-Ryan Garcia fight on April 22.
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Really bored hearing about this now, just fight FFs.
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“There’s still a ways to go, but we are making progress,” Espinoza told Boxing Scene following the final Davis-Garcia press conference at MGM Grand’s KA Theatre. “It’s been slow progress, but we’re closer now than we were in the fall. I’m a firm believer that it’s not done until it’s done. You know, we’ve been close before, so I’m gonna be conservative. But overall, I’m optimistic that it gets done.”
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Re: Terence Crawford vs. Errol Spence Jr. - 22 June 2023?
DEVELOPING: ERROL SPENCE JR.-TERENCE CRAWFORD MEGAFIGHT LOOKS LIKE JULY 29
It continues. It’s ongoing. After additional reporting on the potential welterweight superfight between IBF, WBA and WBC titlist Errol Spence Jr. and WBO counterpart Terence Crawford, RingTV.com has learned that the latest target date now could be Saturday, July 29, with a possible alternative date of Saturday, August 5, in Las Vegas. It will be a Premier Boxing Champions (PBC) event shown on Showtime PPV and will also be available on PPV.com.
The fight, which will be for The Ring’s vacant 147-pound championship, is not yet signed and is still being negotiated. But things seem to be coming to fruition. What has been known is that both southpaws want the fight—and many associated with the fight stated that they would like the fight to take place this summer, and certainly within the 2023 calendar year. Complications seem to be coming from one side of the table, according to numerous sources. All parties agree that the fight looks like it is going to happen.
Hopefully, an official fight announcement will be made soon.
Over 10 sources—unrelated to one another—aware of the discussions have stated almost verbatim that one side continues to over value itself in the boxing and overall sports marketplace as the reason for the holdup.
Otherwise, the fight would have been signed and a date and venue would have been set by now. The summer remains the ideal time to garner the greatest amount of attention for the fight, before the NFL season begins in the fall, which is the premier sports league in the U.S. and holds a King Kong dominance over American sports media. For Spence-Crawford to get the optimum level of success, the promotion would need two months to build the fight without much competition for the sports entertainment dollar than risk the loss of crossover appeal during an NFL season.
The July 29 would provide ample time to do that. The July 22 date appeared to be the target date, which has shifted like gas prices. Since the story was originally posted on Friday, April 28, numerous sources revealed that July 22 was always subject to change, since the date for this fight has already changed several times.
The other dates that were spoken about were Saturday, July 29, and Saturday, August 5, within that time frame. As stated in the original story, it is boxing, nothing is ever certain until names are on contracts—and sometimes, not even then. Nothing is ever set. The Tank Davis-Ryan Garcia fight was originally slated for Saturday April 15, and pushed back a week to accommodate the Davis’ camp and allow more time for the promotion.
As first reported by Keith Idec of Boxing Scene. the Davis-Garcia Showtime Pay-Per-View main event generated approximately 1.2 million buys in the U.S. Idec reported that, “Most insiders interviewed by BS.com before Davis’ seventh-round knockout of Garcia projected that it would produce anywhere between 450,000 and 750,000 buys, which still would’ve been a success based on the state of the boxing pay-per-view business in the U.S.”
A million buys is considered today’s gold standard. Davis-Garcia took place before a sellout crowd of 20,842 at the T-Mobile Arena in Las Vegas. The gate revenue was $22.8 million. The 1.2 million Davis-Garcia buys translated to roughly $102 million, and a total revenue of $136.8 million when considering merchandise sells, international sales and commercial revenue—and that’s a rough estimate on the low side. The total promotion generated about $140 million.
That is hugely encouraging news for the sport of boxing, though it might not apply to Spence-Crawford. No one is disputing Spence and Crawford are not superstars. But right now, they have fallen into the niche of “boxing superstars,” a notch below Davis and Garcia’s upward crossover trajectory. While a big fight to fight fans, Spence-Crawford may not hold the same cache to younger sports fans, since both are over 30, with Crawford on the brink of turning 36 in September, and Spence just turned 33 in March. Their Q-rating brand and social media star appeal to the mainstream does not equal the scale of Davis-Garcia.
o, time is of pressing importance to get Spence-Crawford made, so the gears begin generating media attention to it. Each time a new report comes out about Spence-Crawford taking place, the uninformed outside of boxing media are understandably pessimistic, as they should be, since this fight has been rumored to take place for years.
It’s a fight that the boxing public has yearned for and multiple sources confirmed is nearing fruition.
One side appears set. The other side isn’t yet.
The Ring’s No. 1 rated welterweight, Spence (28-0, 22 knockouts) represented the U.S. at the London 2012 Olympics. The 33-year-old southpaw has made six defenses and added WBA and WBC titles. He holds championship wins over Mikey Garcia (UD 12), Shawn Porter (SD 12), Danny Garcia (UD 12) and Yordenis Ugas (TKO 10).
Crawford (39-0, 30 KOs) is The Ring’s No. 2 rated welterweight. The ultra-talented switch-hitter from Nebraska has won titles at 135, 140 and 147.
Since moving to welterweight, the 35-year-old Crawford has won the WBO title and made six successful defenses, which includes victories over Amir Khan (TKO 6), Brook (TKO 4), Shawn Porter (TKO 10), and most recently, David Avanesyan (KO 6).
It continues. It’s ongoing. After additional reporting on the potential welterweight superfight between IBF, WBA and WBC titlist Errol Spence Jr. and WBO counterpart Terence Crawford, RingTV.com has learned that the latest target date now could be Saturday, July 29, with a possible alternative date of Saturday, August 5, in Las Vegas. It will be a Premier Boxing Champions (PBC) event shown on Showtime PPV and will also be available on PPV.com.
The fight, which will be for The Ring’s vacant 147-pound championship, is not yet signed and is still being negotiated. But things seem to be coming to fruition. What has been known is that both southpaws want the fight—and many associated with the fight stated that they would like the fight to take place this summer, and certainly within the 2023 calendar year. Complications seem to be coming from one side of the table, according to numerous sources. All parties agree that the fight looks like it is going to happen.
Hopefully, an official fight announcement will be made soon.
Over 10 sources—unrelated to one another—aware of the discussions have stated almost verbatim that one side continues to over value itself in the boxing and overall sports marketplace as the reason for the holdup.
Otherwise, the fight would have been signed and a date and venue would have been set by now. The summer remains the ideal time to garner the greatest amount of attention for the fight, before the NFL season begins in the fall, which is the premier sports league in the U.S. and holds a King Kong dominance over American sports media. For Spence-Crawford to get the optimum level of success, the promotion would need two months to build the fight without much competition for the sports entertainment dollar than risk the loss of crossover appeal during an NFL season.
The July 29 would provide ample time to do that. The July 22 date appeared to be the target date, which has shifted like gas prices. Since the story was originally posted on Friday, April 28, numerous sources revealed that July 22 was always subject to change, since the date for this fight has already changed several times.
The other dates that were spoken about were Saturday, July 29, and Saturday, August 5, within that time frame. As stated in the original story, it is boxing, nothing is ever certain until names are on contracts—and sometimes, not even then. Nothing is ever set. The Tank Davis-Ryan Garcia fight was originally slated for Saturday April 15, and pushed back a week to accommodate the Davis’ camp and allow more time for the promotion.
As first reported by Keith Idec of Boxing Scene. the Davis-Garcia Showtime Pay-Per-View main event generated approximately 1.2 million buys in the U.S. Idec reported that, “Most insiders interviewed by BS.com before Davis’ seventh-round knockout of Garcia projected that it would produce anywhere between 450,000 and 750,000 buys, which still would’ve been a success based on the state of the boxing pay-per-view business in the U.S.”
A million buys is considered today’s gold standard. Davis-Garcia took place before a sellout crowd of 20,842 at the T-Mobile Arena in Las Vegas. The gate revenue was $22.8 million. The 1.2 million Davis-Garcia buys translated to roughly $102 million, and a total revenue of $136.8 million when considering merchandise sells, international sales and commercial revenue—and that’s a rough estimate on the low side. The total promotion generated about $140 million.
That is hugely encouraging news for the sport of boxing, though it might not apply to Spence-Crawford. No one is disputing Spence and Crawford are not superstars. But right now, they have fallen into the niche of “boxing superstars,” a notch below Davis and Garcia’s upward crossover trajectory. While a big fight to fight fans, Spence-Crawford may not hold the same cache to younger sports fans, since both are over 30, with Crawford on the brink of turning 36 in September, and Spence just turned 33 in March. Their Q-rating brand and social media star appeal to the mainstream does not equal the scale of Davis-Garcia.
o, time is of pressing importance to get Spence-Crawford made, so the gears begin generating media attention to it. Each time a new report comes out about Spence-Crawford taking place, the uninformed outside of boxing media are understandably pessimistic, as they should be, since this fight has been rumored to take place for years.
It’s a fight that the boxing public has yearned for and multiple sources confirmed is nearing fruition.
One side appears set. The other side isn’t yet.
The Ring’s No. 1 rated welterweight, Spence (28-0, 22 knockouts) represented the U.S. at the London 2012 Olympics. The 33-year-old southpaw has made six defenses and added WBA and WBC titles. He holds championship wins over Mikey Garcia (UD 12), Shawn Porter (SD 12), Danny Garcia (UD 12) and Yordenis Ugas (TKO 10).
Crawford (39-0, 30 KOs) is The Ring’s No. 2 rated welterweight. The ultra-talented switch-hitter from Nebraska has won titles at 135, 140 and 147.
Since moving to welterweight, the 35-year-old Crawford has won the WBO title and made six successful defenses, which includes victories over Amir Khan (TKO 6), Brook (TKO 4), Shawn Porter (TKO 10), and most recently, David Avanesyan (KO 6).
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Re: Terence Crawford vs. Errol Spence Jr. - 22 June 2023?
Think i'd rather see either of them against Ennis now.
They have both been so inactive/undermatched we have no idea how much they have slipped. Hunch says Spence will have considerably, Whereas Crawford seems a lean, mean fornicator who lives the life.
If they do fight, Crawford sparks him i reckon.
They have both been so inactive/undermatched we have no idea how much they have slipped. Hunch says Spence will have considerably, Whereas Crawford seems a lean, mean fornicator who lives the life.
If they do fight, Crawford sparks him i reckon.
Re: Terence Crawford vs. Errol Spence Jr. - 22 June 2023?
Lost interest in this fight. Bivol-Beterbiev is a much better proposition now.