Why are the Fury-Usyk and Wilder-Ruiz fights taking so long to make?

[Perkin Warbeck]

Why hasn't Fury-Usyk been made yet? Usyk and his management have been said to be easy to negotiate with for his past fights. However, Fury and his two co-promoters have not always been so. I hear Fury is demanding 60% and is refusing to allow Usyk a deserved 50-50 split.

Why is it taking so long to make Wilder-Ruiz? Both have been PBC fighters, it should be easy to make. I have a feeling that Ruiz lacks ambition, and is not eager to face a powerful puncher like Wilder. Or is something else holding it up?

[gregregegg]

Because all parties involved are already rich and have many more oppertunitys to become rich….

If your 33 got 500,000 in the bank, and someone offers you 20 million to fight someone your taking that fight… you might still try negotiate but it’s happening…

If you got 10-200million in the bank your in less of a hurry to ji at cash in and try “maximise earnings” or stay undefeated ect ect. Don’t get me wrong you still want the payday, but you have the luxuary of trying to get your terms…

[Evander]

If Joshua wins, I'm expecting they'll go right into a fight with Fury.
Doubt it's anything to do with Usyk and everything to do with money.
Fury v Joshua is big payday.

[Finkel]

Definitely, Joshua and Hearns fault. Ruiz Jr. and Usyk clearly have ideas above their station after beating that bum. I'm sure the fight could be made if that learnt their place and accepted a lower split. Greedy ingrates. Remember how quickly Wilder v Fury 1 got made between the two best heavyweights in the world! That just proves my point.

[Evander]

There's plenty of fights to be made at Heavyweight if they want to make them.

[big lennox]

It looks like Fury has bottled it against Uysk and is going to duck him. He chose to box 40 year old Chisora with 13 losses on his record in December t Wembley instead of fighting Uysk in February for far more money in Saudi. Make of that what you will. He doesn't fancy the job against Uysk.

[joshj909]

My take on the two negotiations is this:

• Fury wants much more money than anyone is going to give him / demanding the Saudi's given him a much larger % than Usyk is getting.

The knock on effect is that Wilder is a likely backup option for both Usyk and Fury.

• Haymon has probably advised Wilder not to take that because he wants an in-house Ruiz/Wilder fight for the WBC mandatory which has led to Wilder separating with PBC.

• Ruiz has left PBC because he feels Haymon is favouring Wilder or because the purse would be smaller than what he thinks he deserves.

• Wilder is now negotiating with other promoter's for the Ruiz fight while also waiting to see how the Fury/Usyk negotiations play out in case he gets a shot at either Usyk or Fury.

To add to it all, Usyk seems to be the only one pushing publicly for anything at the moment. The other three seem happy to sit on their millions and wait for things to come together or for the perfect opportunity to arise.

[Perkin Warbeck]

There's plenty of fights to be made at Heavyweight if they want to make them.

Yes there is. It seems that promoters and managers are reluctant to make them.

[KiwiRider]

Because all parties involved are already rich and have many more oppertunitys to become rich….

If your 33 got 500,000 in the bank, and someone offers you 20 million to fight someone your taking that fight… you might still try negotiate but it’s happening…

If you got 10-200million in the bank your in less of a hurry to ji at cash in and try “maximise earnings” or stay undefeated ect ect. Don’t get me wrong you still want the payday, but you have the luxuary of trying to get your terms…

Pretty much.
Too money focused to bother with legacies and challenges because they simply don't have to.
Uysk may be the odd one out.

[Counter-puncher]

Why hasn't Fury-Usyk been made yet?

cos Team Fury is a nightmare to negotiate with

[Bandog]

It looks like Fury has bottled it against Uysk and is going to duck him. He chose to box 40 year old Chisora with 13 losses on his record in December t Wembley instead of fighting Uysk in February for far more money in Saudi. Make of that what you will. He doesn't fancy the job against Uysk.

X2

He made his intentions clear when he demanded $500 million to fight Usyk.

[Lackeos]

I hear Fury is demanding 60% and is refusing to allow Usyk a deserved 50-50 split.

Fury probably draws 10 times as much money, so Usyk's management needs to just accept 60/40.

[margaret thatcher]

shame, i thought a real fighting man would be up for a 50-50 to make the undisputed happen

[HomicideHenry]

The Fury family have said they'd accept 40-40 with the winner getting the other 20% or offer Usyk 30% and if he can beat Tyson he'll get an additional 40%.

[margaret thatcher]

who is the fury family? did they put out a joint statement, or was it just john rambling against like he loves to do

the other day he was raging that usyk wont get anything like 50-50

[HomicideHenry]

who is the fury family? did they put out a joint statement, or was it just john rambling against like he loves to do

the other day he was raging that usyk wont get anything like 50-50

John said 40-40 with 20% to the winner. But he also suggested 30% to Usyk and an additional 40% if he can beat Tyson. Shane said 40-40 with 20% to the winner.

[Perkin Warbeck]

Why hasn't Fury-Usyk been made yet?

cos Team Fury is a nightmare to negotiate with

Yes, it seems that way. Usyk in contrast has a history of being easy to negotiate with.

shame, i thought a real fighting man would be up for a 50-50 to make the undisputed happen

Yes. Fury is perhaps not the "real fighting man" he claims to be.

[Evander]

But he also suggested 30% to Usyk and an additional 40% if he can beat Tyson.

Where is the rest of it ?
40% is on the win for either ?
If it's because he can beat Fury I assume it's the other way.

[HomicideHenry]

But he also suggested 30% to Usyk and an additional 40% if he can beat Tyson.

Where is the rest of it ?
40% is on the win for either ?
If it's because he can beat Fury I assume it's the other way.

40% to the winner.