Klimas: Fury-Usyk is off, Usyk will pursue mandatories

[Cyclops]

The whole thing is a giant ego battle, an extension of the fight itself. Fury is putting Usyk and his people through the ringer, and seeing if he'll blink. I don't think either one will take a backwards step. I don't think Fury really cares whether he fights Usyk or not but is enjoying the circus of the build up and is pushing it as far as it will go.

Either it collapses in on itself, or it becomes absurdly massive.

Tiresome as fans, though. And fights like these never really deliver on the night. It is, after all, just a boxing match.

[morm]

A men is worth as much worth his word. Furys word dont word much.
His a Doser hahaha

[HomicideHenry]

HomicideHenry, but why turn down Saudi money for less money at Wembley? And then expect your opponent, who had agreed the Saudi money, to take less than you, out of a smaller pot. It just doesn't stack up. To the neutral it does appear that Fury wants no part of Uysk.

The only thing I can figure with the Saudis is they were not going to give Tyson Fury more money than whatever it was they were giving Usyk. So Fury walked away from it in my view to punish the Ukrainian for getting such a sweet deal from the Saudis.

I think that's part of the reason why John Fury and everybody were talking up the Saudis when they were there for Tommy Fury because I think they had a little bit of buyers remorse with wanting to pursue Wembley instead because whatever the figures would be would come less than whatever the Saudis offered Tyson Fury to begin with.

Regardless big egos all the way around basically derailed this fight from happening. I think it will happen at some point down the line but it sure isn't going to happen in April or May unless one of them caves.

[AngryGoon38]

I am now presently very disappointed with Tyson Fury, especially after watching a short-clip YouTube video of him rather proudly And basically emphatically putting himself alongside the legendary status of Rocky Marciano, and only for the mere fact that Fury has an undefeated record, just like his idol/hero/influence...?...Marciano.
It's looking and Certainly sounding like Fury is Making Way too big of a deal about having that undefeated record...
And is apparently unfortunately too afraid to risk losing that "Magical Undefeated Status"...
It's bad enough that Mr NutShot Specialist "Andre Ward" promptly scooted out of the danger-zone, of ever increasing challenges in the fight-game, at 32-0. And left it at that to Self Bask in.

But to me, with Fury, it just seems worse. He's right there, on the very brink of true legend legacy status, but he's apparently afraid of a former cruiserweight. And while still outweighing the former CW easily by 50+ lbs. Not to mention the 6" height and 7" reach advantage. I guess he's extra fearful of looking like a Doofy Dosser, and losing that Magical, Sexy, and belovedly prescious undefeated record, which I guess is the ultimate hallmark of Epic Legacies in this modern day of businessman bragadocious self worshipping boxers.

[Lackeos]

How much revenue do you think Fury brings-in when he fights an opponent like Chisora? Probably like $40-60 million. How much revenue do you think Usyk brings-in when he fights Chisora? Probably like $10 million. There is no way that Usyk is entitled to 50%. So, with that established, why is Oleksandr Usyk so reluctant to agree to terms with Fury?

Usyk agreed directly with the Saudis on a purse not a split, Fury can't. That's his problem, not Usyk's.

When I say revenue, I don't mean his personal payday, I mean the whole gate. I think their respective paydays were reported to be something like 35 million pounds for Fury (including ppv upside) and 2.2 million Euros for Usyk.

[Counter-puncher]

Tiresome as fans, though. And fights like these never really deliver on the night. It is, after all, just a boxing match.

and that is the absolute key, and a good point, by the time these fvckers get in the ring, if they eventually do, I will have exhaustion over the whole thing and the fight itself is highly unlikely to live up to its billing (IMO).

fvck it, thats exactly why I am heading over to Bangkok to watch One Championship, boxing fvcking kills me.

[big lennox]

Uysk's promoter has said they have offered Fury a 60/40 split to the winner, but Fury turned it down:

"We want to make it happen. If he doesn't want it, we can't make him want it."

And yet, last August, Fury's team said Uysk vs Fury would be 50/50.

[Bandog]

You can't force Fury to fight. If he fights Usyk he will lose, so he will turn down any reasonable offer.

Usyk is smart and skilled enough to attack Fury's body...one thing all others were too stupid to do. It's idiotic th head hunt Fury. Never beat him doing that.

60% to the winner is fair. That said I hope Usyk is willing to take down to 20%, just to make the fight.

[big lennox]

[Finkel]

How much revenue do you think Fury brings-in when he fights an opponent like Chisora? Probably like $40-60 million. How much revenue do you think Usyk brings-in when he fights Chisora? Probably like $10 million. There is no way that Usyk is entitled to 50%. So, with that established, why is Oleksandr Usyk so reluctant to agree to terms with Fury?

I think your figures are very optimistic for Fury. Simon Jordan on talkSPORT said a sell out at Wembley brings in £15m. That means the real revenue will come from global PPVs for the Undisputed fight.

Fury Chisora 3 was at White Heart Lane and the PPV numbers weren't released, but being generous let's call it 400k at £27 which is £10m.

Usyk v Chisora apparently broke 1m buys, but let's down play it to 800k at £20 which is £16m

So just looking at PPVs the fight involving Usyk generated 60% more than the one involving Fury. So no wonder they aren't accepting 20% less than Fury.

[HomicideHenry]

How much revenue do you think Fury brings-in when he fights an opponent like Chisora? Probably like $40-60 million. How much revenue do you think Usyk brings-in when he fights Chisora? Probably like $10 million. There is no way that Usyk is entitled to 50%. So, with that established, why is Oleksandr Usyk so reluctant to agree to terms with Fury?

I think your figures are very optimistic for Fury. Simon Jordan on talkSPORT said a sell out at Wembley brings in £15m. That means the real revenue will come from global PPVs for the Undisputed fight.

Fury Chisora 3 was at White Heart Lane and the PPV numbers weren't released, but being generous let's call it 400k at £27 which is £10m.

Usyk v Chisora apparently broke 1m buys, but let's down play it to 800k at £20 which is £16m

So just looking at PPVs the fight involving Usyk generated 60% more than the one involving Fury. So no wonder they aren't accepting 20% less than Fury.

Well I know personally the third fight with Wilder cost $75 for the pay-per-view so my question is how much was the Usyk-Chisora ppv? Because if it was only like $20 or something then no wonder it was bought more than the third Fury fight. Besides that there was a lot of people pissed off at the idea of a third fight happening because everybody wanted Fury versus Joshua.

[Bandog]

Fury wanting a set dollar amount regardless of % split is effectively killing the fight.

[Finkel]

How much revenue do you think Fury brings-in when he fights an opponent like Chisora? Probably like $40-60 million. How much revenue do you think Usyk brings-in when he fights Chisora? Probably like $10 million. There is no way that Usyk is entitled to 50%. So, with that established, why is Oleksandr Usyk so reluctant to agree to terms with Fury?

I think your figures are very optimistic for Fury. Simon Jordan on talkSPORT said a sell out at Wembley brings in £15m. That means the real revenue will come from global PPVs for the Undisputed fight.

Fury Chisora 3 was at White Heart Lane and the PPV numbers weren't released, but being generous let's call it 400k at £27 which is £10m.

Usyk v Chisora apparently broke 1m buys, but let's down play it to 800k at £20 which is £16m

So just looking at PPVs the fight involving Usyk generated 60% more than the one involving Fury. So no wonder they aren't accepting 20% less than Fury.

Well I know personally the third fight with Wilder cost $75 for the pay-per-view so my question is how much was the Usyk-Chisora ppv? Because if it was only like $20 or something then no wonder it was bought more than the third Fury fight. Besides that there was a lot of people pissed off at the idea of a third fight happening because everybody wanted Fury versus Joshua.

The post I was replying to was comparing sales of Fury v Chisora to when Usyk fought him.

Wilder v Fury 3 was sold on its amazing undercard. I know. I bought it.

Heavyweight Fury Vs Wilder 3
Heavyweight Sánchez Vs Ajagba
Heavyweight Helenius Vs Kownacki 2
Heavyweight Anderson Vs Tereshkin

[HomicideHenry]

Btw... if Dubois is the WBA mandatory, and Hrgovic is the IBF mandatory, who is the WBO mandatory?

[Contendeh]

I don’t think he ever had any real intention of fighting Usyk and will be content to step aside and let someone else take a crack at him. Should Usyk lose, Fury will say “Usyk is nothing and it would’ve been a joke to fight him” and people will believe him.
If Usyk wins, it pushes things back another 6 months, another year, meanwhile Usyk is a bit older and a bit slower and a bit easier to beat. Meanwhile, Fury cherry picks an opponent who stylistically he is better suited to and makes a boatload of money fighting and then, maybe, it’s the usyk money. Or he may never fight usyk.
Thanks to the ridiculousness of the four belt era, it just doesn’t pay to fight the best. This is tragedy for the boxing fan of this era.

[Finkel]

Btw... if Dubois is the WBA mandatory, and Hrgovic is the IBF mandatory, who is the WBO mandatory?

Joe Joyce is WBO mandatory and interim champion.

[big lennox]

Well worth watching yesterday's interview with Uysk's promoter. He says that even if Uysk fought for free, there wouldn't be enough in the pot to pay Fury what he is asking for.

He doesn't know why Fury turned down the Saudi money, which was way more than the Wembley pot of money. He doesn't accuse Fury of ducking but speculates that Fury is not keen on boxing Uysk.

It's very difficult to draw any other conclusion, though.

[Lackeos]

I don’t think he ever had any real intention of fighting Usyk and will be content to step aside and let someone else take a crack at him. Should Usyk lose, Fury will say “Usyk is nothing and it would’ve been a joke to fight him” and people will believe him.
If Usyk wins, it pushes things back another 6 months, another year, meanwhile Usyk is a bit older and a bit slower and a bit easier to beat. Meanwhile, Fury cherry picks an opponent who stylistically he is better suited to and makes a boatload of money fighting and then, maybe, it’s the usyk money. Or he may never fight usyk.
Thanks to the ridiculousness of the four belt era, it just doesn’t pay to fight the best. This is tragedy for the boxing fan of this era.

Pretty dumb to claim that Fury is afraid of Usyk after he beat Wladimir (who was on like a 9-year streak of dominating the division and winning every fight 120-108) and the undefeated version of Wilder. This is strictly down to getting a fair purse split, there is no way that Fury is afraid of Usyk. Not to mention, winning that fight makes him undisputed champion.

[joshj909]

I don’t think he ever had any real intention of fighting Usyk and will be content to step aside and let someone else take a crack at him. Should Usyk lose, Fury will say “Usyk is nothing and it would’ve been a joke to fight him” and people will believe him.
If Usyk wins, it pushes things back another 6 months, another year, meanwhile Usyk is a bit older and a bit slower and a bit easier to beat. Meanwhile, Fury cherry picks an opponent who stylistically he is better suited to and makes a boatload of money fighting and then, maybe, it’s the usyk money. Or he may never fight usyk.
Thanks to the ridiculousness of the four belt era, it just doesn’t pay to fight the best. This is tragedy for the boxing fan of this era.

Pretty dumb to claim that Fury is afraid of Usyk after he beat Wladimir (who was on like a 9-year streak of dominating the division and winning every fight 120-108) and the undefeated version of Wilder. This is strictly down to getting a fair purse split, there is no way that Fury is afraid of Usyk. Not to mention, winning that fight makes him undisputed champion.

He had very little to lose against Wlad and Wilder, now he does have something and he doesn't seem particularly keen on losing it.

[Contendeh]

I don’t think he ever had any real intention of fighting Usyk and will be content to step aside and let someone else take a crack at him. Should Usyk lose, Fury will say “Usyk is nothing and it would’ve been a joke to fight him” and people will believe him.
If Usyk wins, it pushes things back another 6 months, another year, meanwhile Usyk is a bit older and a bit slower and a bit easier to beat. Meanwhile, Fury cherry picks an opponent who stylistically he is better suited to and makes a boatload of money fighting and then, maybe, it’s the usyk money. Or he may never fight usyk.
Thanks to the ridiculousness of the four belt era, it just doesn’t pay to fight the best. This is tragedy for the boxing fan of this era.

Pretty dumb to claim that Fury is afraid of Usyk after he beat Wladimir (who was on like a 9-year streak of dominating the division and winning every fight 120-108) and the undefeated version of Wilder. This is strictly down to getting a fair purse split, there is no way that Fury is afraid of Usyk. Not to mention, winning that fight makes him undisputed champion.

You are assuming being undisputed means more to Fury than money: clearly it doesn’t.

[IRONFIST]

The staredown spooked Fury I reckon, Usyk and those crazy eyes drive opponents to tears, Joshua etc. The eyes have it, the eyes have it.

[Thomastearns]

I don’t think he ever had any real intention of fighting Usyk and will be content to step aside and let someone else take a crack at him. Should Usyk lose, Fury will say “Usyk is nothing and it would’ve been a joke to fight him” and people will believe him.
If Usyk wins, it pushes things back another 6 months, another year, meanwhile Usyk is a bit older and a bit slower and a bit easier to beat. Meanwhile, Fury cherry picks an opponent who stylistically he is better suited to and makes a boatload of money fighting and then, maybe, it’s the usyk money. Or he may never fight usyk.
Thanks to the ridiculousness of the four belt era, it just doesn’t pay to fight the best. This is tragedy for the boxing fan of this era.

Pretty dumb to claim that Fury is afraid of Usyk after he beat Wladimir (who was on like a 9-year streak of dominating the division and winning every fight 120-108) and the undefeated version of Wilder. This is strictly down to getting a fair purse split, there is no way that Fury is afraid of Usyk. Not to mention, winning that fight makes him undisputed champion.

He had very little to lose against Wlad and Wilder, now he does have something and he doesn't seem particularly keen on losing it.

Correct! The Wilder camp were kicking themselves afterwards for even tossing that particular biscuit in Fury's direction. I bet they now wish they'd let him rot in the wilderness living off his 'lineal' title earnings.

Somehow they foolishly swallowed Fury's highly publicised account of the post Klitschko fight events.

An account that somehow omitted any mention of failed tests, PED use or the alleged bribery of a farmer's testimony in supplying wild boar testicles.

They saw another tomato can for Deontay to crush whilst he avoided Joshua, or anyone with a pulse.

Fury is a master of deflection and avoidance, his sleight of hand would have impressed a no less celebrated magician such as Paul Daniels.

Whilst we all know he's a philanthropist who gives his purses to charity, pause for laughter, Fury's certainly a master of eking out every last penny out of any contract.

If Usyk does get a contract, it will be derisory. He also better check the provided transport arrangements very carefully unless he wants to arrive at the fight destination via the 3rd class luggage department.

[KiwiRider]

Pretty dumb to claim that Fury is afraid of Usyk after he beat Wladimir (who was on like a 9-year streak of dominating the division and winning every fight 120-108) and the undefeated version of Wilder. This is strictly down to getting a fair purse split, there is no way that Fury is afraid of Usyk. Not to mention, winning that fight makes him undisputed champion.

He had very little to lose against Wlad and Wilder, now he does have something and he doesn't seem particularly keen on losing it.

Correct! The Wilder camp were kicking themselves afterwards for even tossing that particular biscuit in Fury's direction. I bet they now wish they'd let him rot in the wilderness living off his 'lineal' title earnings.

Somehow they foolishly swallowed Fury's highly publicised account of the post Klitschko fight events.

An account that somehow omitted any mention of failed tests, PED use or the alleged bribery of a farmer's testimony in supplying wild boar testicles.

They saw another tomato can for Deontay to crush whilst he avoided Joshua, or anyone with a pulse.

Fury is a master of deflection and avoidance, his sleight of hand would have impressed a no less celebrated magician such as Paul Daniels.

Whilst we all know he's a philanthropist who gives his purses to charity, pause for laughter, Fury's certainly a master of eking out every last penny out of any contract.

If Usyk does get a contract, it will be derisory. He also better check the provided transport arrangements very carefully unless he wants to arrive at the fight destination via the 3rd class luggage department.

Nice post

[Contendeh]

Unless real evidence is (ever) produced proving differently, Usyk should be thought of nothing less than the top heavyweight in the world in 2023.

Fury has lost this fight by omission.

[HomicideHenry]

Unless real evidence is (ever) produced proving differently, Usyk should be thought of nothing less than the top heavyweight in the world in 2023.

Fury has lost this fight by omission.

Maybe in the minds of disgruntled fans but it doesn't stop the reality that Tyson Fury is the lineal heavyweight champion of the world. Let's suppose he fights Andy Ruiz, the former unified champion, next and beats him. That'll be three heavyweight champions that Fury has defeated in his career (Klitschko, Wilder, Ruiz) just one shy of tying Anthony Joshua (Martin, Klitschko, Parker, Ruiz).

Slowly but surely Tyson Fury will be building the case that he is indeed the best heavyweight of his era because in the end it is strictly a numbers game because if you beat all of the heavyweight or most of them you earn the right to call yourself the best man of the era.

Usyk only has Joshua under his belt as a heavyweight. If Fury beats Ruiz he can look at Usyk and say, "So what you beat Joshua so did Ruiz and I beat him easy" and if Fury actually stops Ruiz he can look at Joshua and say, "So what you avenged a loss? You ran away for 12 rounds and I knocked him out."

It'll just make the undisputed clash even bigger, especially if Tyson Fury actually gets to face off against Anthony Joshua in the summer and if he's able to defeat Joshua then he can say to Usyk, "So what makes you so special?"