Tyson Fury vs. Oleksandr Usyk | PPV - 18 May 2024

[joshj909]

Joshs turtle gut is proof enough if you know anything about bodybuilding/juicing

The initial post suggested that Fury did PEDs as a one off while the others have used it "a lot more and for a lot longer" despite Fury testing positive for PEDs and Joshua and Chisora never testing positive. Don't get me wrong, I think it's likely over half of the top boxers use PEDs in some capacity but to suggest one boxer uses it significantly more than another who used it as a one off despite the former boxer being caught and the latter boxer not failing a test is clear bias.

Keith mentioning it every single time Fury's name is mentioned is both annoying and bias. He never lists it with anyone else.

It is a Tyson Fury thread

[mickey1975]

The initial post suggested that Fury did PEDs as a one off while the others have used it "a lot more and for a lot longer" despite Fury testing positive for PEDs and Joshua and Chisora never testing positive. Don't get me wrong, I think it's likely over half of the top boxers use PEDs in some capacity but to suggest one boxer uses it significantly more than another who used it as a one off despite the former boxer being caught and the latter boxer not failing a test is clear bias.

Keith mentioning it every single time Fury's name is mentioned is both annoying and bias. He never lists it with anyone else.

It is a Tyson Fury thread

Away from this thread. He is a prolific poster across the forum.

[margaret thatcher]

what was ttyson's explanation for his multiple failures again? he ate boar balls?

[joshj909]

Keith mentioning it every single time Fury's name is mentioned is both annoying and bias. He never lists it with anyone else.

It is a Tyson Fury thread

Away from this thread. He is a prolific poster across the forum.

I've noticed but I think Canelo is a drug cheat aswell. Benn too. You'll rarely find a time where I believe the excuse for the failed test and I think most are in the same boat. Fury is a proven drug cheat, the others mentioned, except Whyte, are not.

[ewenhay]

Sounds like the fight might be on.

Would be good if we can break the groundhog day cycle and actually talk about the fight.

First heavyweight undisputed fight in the modern era. The thread isnt exactly befitting of it.

[ashall2]

what was ttyson's explanation for his multiple failures again? he ate boar balls?

Contaminated wild boar then it turned out the farmer who’d backed up the story had been paid 25k.

[ewenhay]

Like most fights between the top guys I can see a couple of scenarios.

I think if Fury turns up in decent shape and mentally switched on he wins handily on points fighting at his distance.

If he doesn't I see it getting messy and in that scenario I can see Usyk getting a points verdict.

I don't think either guy will stop the other but can see either being on the floor at some point.

I think it's a great match up. Kind of a modern day Lewis v Holyfield or maybe a Bowe v Holyfield

[keithmoonhangover]

what was ttyson's explanation for his multiple failures again? he ate boar balls?

Contaminated wild boar then it turned out the farmer who’d backed up the story had been paid 25k.

Shhhh, we're not allowed to mention it.

[Teddy's Toupee]

Kind of a crap version of Lewis v Holyfield or maybe a Bowe v Holyfield.

Harsh, but fair.

[Grilling Machine]

Fury starts the obvious favourite based on his size advantage. I personally feel the referee will be the deciding factor in what he allows Fury to get away with.

There's a consensus here on that. If Fury's allowed to get away with the dirties I think he'll wear Usyk down for a late stoppage.

If the ref doesn't tolerate holding I can see a lot of subjective cards in a close fight. Fury's length allows him a ton of space control that Usyk hasn't dealt with before, but at the same time he's better than anyone Fury's had to contain. It all hinges on how much Usyk can thread through the gaps when they present.

Usyk should add mandatory testing to the contract, because a clean Fury on 6 weeks' hard training is definitely beatable.

[si7dog7]

A very perceptive post
I’m sure a few cyclists will not agree.

It’s all Fugazi with Tyson these days
Half a Billy
Middleweight
Body builder

Now we will see the Gypsy King in with a master boxer, Olympic Champ who really don’t give a fu**.

Hope it happens if the bluff is to be called

[mickey1975]

Fury starts the obvious favourite based on his size advantage. I personally feel the referee will be the deciding factor in what he allows Fury to get away with.

There's a consensus here on that. If Fury's allowed to get away with the dirties I think he'll wear Usyk down for a late stoppage.

If the ref doesn't tolerate holding I can see a lot of subjective cards in a close fight. Fury's length allows him a ton of space control that Usyk hasn't dealt with before, but at the same time he's better than anyone Fury's had to contain. It all hinges on how much Usyk can thread through the gaps when they present.

Usyk should add mandatory testing to the contract, because a clean Fury on 6 weeks' hard training is definitely beatable.

Both need testing. Aside me being a Fury fan, Usyk did look really small only a few weeks ago.

[Grilling Machine]

Both need testing.

No doubt. It's possible Usyk's already banked, but Fury had his tyres out recently and his arms and shoulders look out-of-camp. He's maybe lighter, but he's down on muscle.

But then sub-250 makes a lot of sense for him in this fight. He doesn't need too much muscle given his natural size over Usyk, but he definitely needs stamina.

[polecateddy]

Both need testing.

No doubt. It's possible Usyk's already banked, but Fury had his tyres out recently and his arms and shoulders look out-of-camp. He's maybe lighter, but he's down on muscle.

But then sub-250 makes a lot of sense for him in this fight. He doesn't need too much muscle given his natural size over Usyk, but he definitely needs stamina.

I kind of think Fury will end up losing most of the rounds. The soft camps and lack of meaningful opposition catching up with him against the uber-pro Usyk. But on the plus side Fury will be incredibly well compensated for being a little embarrassed over 36 minutes.

[coneye]

Sorry to put the spanner in the works ,buut i still say Fury is going to get injured in camp postpone for 4 months then lose his pen again

[keithmoonhangover]

Fury starts the obvious favourite based on his size advantage. I personally feel the referee will be the deciding factor in what he allows Fury to get away with.

There's a consensus here on that. If Fury's allowed to get away with the dirties I think he'll wear Usyk down for a late stoppage.

If the ref doesn't tolerate holding I can see a lot of subjective cards in a close fight. Fury's length allows him a ton of space control that Usyk hasn't dealt with before, but at the same time he's better than anyone Fury's had to contain. It all hinges on how much Usyk can thread through the gaps when they present.

Usyk should add mandatory testing to the contract, because a clean Fury on 6 weeks' hard training is definitely beatable.

Both need testing. Aside me being a Fury fan, Usyk did look really small only a few weeks ago.

What's the point?

[887986]

Anyone else think Usyk is winning the mind games?

Mind games schmind games Keith

Maybe Usyk is winning them but regardless a good big un beats a good little un

It seems Frazier didn't get the memo then.

[887986]

It is generally Fury Haters who mention his background. It is almost treated as a crime to like a gypsy boxer. I have it thrown at me much more than i bring it up. Several times daily. Nobody has pulled me up for saying I like Dan Azeez.

Funny that you mention crime. I don't give a damn about his being a gypsy. What I don't like is people with criminal families and criminal associations. Fury's father is an eye-gauging convicted criminal, and Fury himself hangs around mob bosses. Anyone who can cheer for an individual like that has a really fucked up moral compass.

[887986]

How embarrassing!

Mr. Mental Health Advocate.

Then he says gappy-tooth bastard and poor ol’ Joe Parker doesn’t know where to look

Yep. He can hate on gays and Jews, call Ruiz a fat little Mexican and try to mock others based on their physical appearance and nationality. Still, the Furyettes would go:
1. hahaha brilliant banter what a great way of selling the fight tyson big king gypsy best king lol haha funny king haha lol
2. relax, he's just talking shite, that's bipolar for you

But if Fury gets any criticism, God forbid anyone mentions the word traveller for any reason: "that hating/racism, shame on you, don't you know he has men'al 'elf problems?"

That's got to be the greatest Get Out of Jail Free card. No accountability whatsoever - the men'al 'elf card is always at the ready.

[887986]

Fury's shorts will be acting as nipple warmers more than ever in this fight.

[DrDuke]

Wasn't surprising really, that Fury gave Usyk his shot after some time of boosting the purse.

[mickey1975]

It is generally Fury Haters who mention his background. It is almost treated as a crime to like a gypsy boxer. I have it thrown at me much more than i bring it up. Several times daily. Nobody has pulled me up for saying I like Dan Azeez.

Funny that you mention crime. I don't give a damn about his being a gypsy. What I don't like is people with criminal families and criminal associations. Fury's father is an eye-gauging convicted criminal, and Fury himself hangs around mob bosses. Anyone who can cheer for an individual like that has a really fucked up moral compass.

You best start following a new sport then. Almost all are linked to people with some sort of criminal past. Tyson himself doesn’t have a criminal record.
Do you hate Johnny Fisher because of the Tibbs family background? Any Warren fighter because of his and his families past?

[tonyevs]

Fury starts the obvious favourite based on his size advantage. I personally feel the referee will be the deciding factor in what he allows Fury to get away with.

There's a consensus here on that. If Fury's allowed to get away with the dirties I think he'll wear Usyk down for a late stoppage.

If the ref doesn't tolerate holding I can see a lot of subjective cards in a close fight. Fury's length allows him a ton of space control that Usyk hasn't dealt with before, but at the same time he's better than anyone Fury's had to contain. It all hinges on how much Usyk can thread through the gaps when they present.

Usyk should add mandatory testing to the contract, because a clean Fury on 6 weeks' hard training is definitely beatable.

Both need testing. Aside me being a Fury fan, Usyk did look really small only a few weeks ago.

Yes both guys need testing the same. However it's easy to imagine one of them using it as an excuse to pull out of the fight.

If they fight - I expect Usyk to be too mobile and clever for Fury. However Fury is very skilled in negating that by grabbing/holding .. and if allowed to get away with that then we are in for a very ugly and boring nights boxing - and Usyk loses.

Fury can only fight at his own plodding pace. Lots have commented that his runs are infamously very slow, and I've seen nothing of his training done at anything resembling high tempo .. it's the changing of pace that knackers you out as your heart/breathing changes and muscles get less oxygen.
If Usyk can get him to up it just 10-20bpm early on then Fury's weight advantage will by mid rounds be his disadvantage.

It's interesting that Eddie Hearn didn't sound convinced the fight will happen .. his little smile didn't make him look convinced.

[mickey1975]

Did you think Wilder 2 was slow and plodding?

[maverick23]

There's a consensus here on that. If Fury's allowed to get away with the dirties I think he'll wear Usyk down for a late stoppage.

If the ref doesn't tolerate holding I can see a lot of subjective cards in a close fight. Fury's length allows him a ton of space control that Usyk hasn't dealt with before, but at the same time he's better than anyone Fury's had to contain. It all hinges on how much Usyk can thread through the gaps when they present.

Usyk should add mandatory testing to the contract, because a clean Fury on 6 weeks' hard training is definitely beatable.

Both need testing. Aside me being a Fury fan, Usyk did look really small only a few weeks ago.

Yes both guys need testing the same. However it's easy to imagine one of them using it as an excuse to pull out of the fight.

If they fight - I expect Usyk to be too mobile and clever for Fury. However Fury is very skilled in negating that by grabbing/holding .. and if allowed to get away with that then we are in for a very ugly and boring nights boxing - and Usyk loses.

Fury can only fight at his own plodding pace. Lots have commented that his runs are infamously very slow, and I've seen nothing of his training done at anything resembling high tempo .. it's the changing of pace that knackers you out as your heart/breathing changes and muscles get less oxygen.
If Usyk can get him to up it just 10-20bpm early on then Fury's weight advantage will by mid rounds be his disadvantage.

It's interesting that Eddie Hearn didn't sound convinced the fight will happen .. his little smile didn't make him look convinced.

At the moment I don’t see how anyone can be convinced the fight happens until it’s actually happening based on Fury.

Krassyuk said Matchroom were easy to deal with for the AJ fights. A lower % in the first fight and an equitable split on the rematch. Who knows what Fury will be asking for on a rematch split. Will he even agree to the £1m for Ukraine as Usyk requested?!