LOL. In your dreams. Awfully convenient for a guy who admits hes biased and cant accept the facts over the fiction.
Nat Fleischer was also at the fight and wrote about it in his book on Ketchel.
In fact in Fleischers autobiography "50 Years at Ringside" on page 69 in the chapter on Ketchel he says specifically: "Unfortunately I didnt see him when he fought his memorable battles with Billy Papke and Joe Thomas." And why would he have? He was 20 years old, had just graduated college, was living almost 3000 miles away, and was teaching school when the second Billy Papke Stanley Ketchel fight took place.
Wanna make anything else up?
Klompton, you would be a fun moderator in a presidential debate.
keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑10 Mar 2023, 07:11
Obviously I'm blatantly biased about my favourite boxer of all time, so I'll start us off with Stanley Ketchel 1908 when he fought.
Mike Twin Sullivan
Jack Twin Sullivan
Billy Papke
Hugo Kelly
Joe Thomas
Billy Papke (lost due to blatant cheating)
Billy Papke
Who ya got?
Very difficult to top that for sure.
But I think we may have to look to non-champions potentially for the answer to this remedy. For example Sam Langford's 1910 had (in part) wins over Stanley Ketchell, Fireman Jim Flynn, Dixie Kid, Joe Jennette, Jeff Clark and Jim Johnson. Langford and Ketchell agreed to be no more than 165 for their fight.
Or perhaps one can look at Archie Moore or Billy Conn, both of which never won the middle weight title but were considered to be 2 of the best middleweights ever. Or even look at the career of somebody like Harry Greb, is that even before winning the middleweight championship he was already blowing through tons of great people.
To continue my point...
Greb's 1919 for example: Bill Brennan, Billy Miske, Battling Levinsky, Willie Meehan, Zulu Kid, and Mike McTigue. He beat Brennan and Levinsky multiple times in 1919. That's definitely comparable to Ketchell's 1908.
Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote: ↑12 Mar 2023, 06:51
In more modern times James Toney's 1991 run of Nunn, Reggie Johnson and McCallum is extremely high level.
Except that Toney didnt beat Johnson or McCallum convincingly.
