Tyson Fury vs. Oleksandr Usyk | PPV - 18 May 2024

[887986]

Mate, what kind of shitty argument is that?

Imagine if law worked like that.

‘Mr. Fury, you gauged out the eyes of that man, making him blind! I sentence you to 11 years of imprisonment.’
‘But your honour, it’s in the past, the whole thing happened years ago.’
‘Ah, my mistake then. Case dismissed.’

Well keep going on about it then, it makes no difference to me and you obviously enjoy it so carry on. You're not harming anyone.

Tyson Fury is harming people, because he uses PEDs to improve his performance and cause more damage to his opponents.

But it’s okay, it’s in the past.

[jwfg]

Well keep going on about it then, it makes no difference to me and you obviously enjoy it so carry on. You're not harming anyone.

Tyson Fury is harming people, because he uses PEDs to improve his performance and cause more damage to his opponents.

But it’s okay, it’s in the past.

It's very much in the present. Tyson Fury is a cheating bast4rd.

[mickey1975]

OK, guys, all a bit weird for me now. I'm out. I'll talk about the fight, that's it.

[jwfg]

OK, guys, all a bit weird for me now. I'm out. I'll talk about the fight, that's it.

You won't talk about one of the boxers history of cheating? That's an important part of the fight, isn't it:?

[coneye]

Regards the cheating that was a few years ago , he was,nt the first caught out he won,t be the last and i would,nt be suprised if Usyk was on the gear , just hopefully this will be a clean fight , but its one where Fury has done untold damage to his image he s just told a couple lies too many , but his daxd and his followers will come out and say the shenanagins were all a part of buisness playing games to get more money the money he does,nt care about , his haters dislikers calll them what you want will say he was scared they will be wrong Tyson Fury is scared of no man , However personaly i t hink its a bit of both, games too force more money, so he lies again , but also scared of a loss , not scared of Usyk but scared of a loss on his resume which he and his fans inflate, so if he,s going to risk a loss his ego alone will demand the higher purse , but personaaly i dont think the games have finished, boxing people will understand peaking i call theres going to be an injury Usyk would off been been training to peak around the end of april fury will get injured and find a new date for when he,s peaking and Usyk is,nt and if Usyk says no he won,t care the loss of money will not bother him , i actually belive him when he says he does,nt care about money he has more than he can spend living in morecombe , but when he does work he wants it all because he,s greedy , and if its not accepted he feels vindicated in pulling out ,, cancelation new date coming up

[Nightmare Roy]

Going off topic, I was thinking about the sanctioning fees before, now I could be wrong but I think they are about 3%? . So if all 4 belts are on the line that would be 12%. Let's say the pot is 100 million, that's a lot of fcuking dough to the Alphabet boys isn't it? I could be way off. Anyone know how it works?

[887986]

Regards the cheating that was a few years ago , he was,nt the first caught out he won,t be the last and i would,nt be suprised if Usyk was on the gear , just hopefully this will be a clean fight , but its one where Fury has done untold damage to his image he s just told a couple lies too many , but his daxd and his followers will come out and say the shenanagins were all a part of buisness playing games to get more money the money he does,nt care about , his haters dislikers calll them what you want will say he was scared they will be wrong Tyson Fury is scared of no man , However personaly i t hink its a bit of both, games too force more money, so he lies again , but also scared of a loss , not scared of Usyk but scared of a loss on his resume which he and his fans inflate, so if he,s going to risk a loss his ego alone will demand the higher purse , but personaaly i dont think the games have finished, boxing people will understand peaking i call theres going to be an injury Usyk would off been been training to peak around the end of april fury will get injured and find a new date for when he,s peaking and Usyk is,nt and if Usyk says no he won,t care the loss of money will not bother him , i actually belive him when he says he does,nt care about money he has more than he can spend living in morecombe , but when he does work he wants it all because he,s greedy , and if its not accepted he feels vindicated in pulling out ,, cancelation new date coming up

No amount of whataboutery would make Fury's cheating and lying about it right.

And really classy to accuse Usyk of something Fury done.

Fury fans are really something else. Fury is like cancer to boxing. His disappearing from the sport for good can’t come soon enough.

[Ruthless-RKO]

Going off topic, I was thinking about the sanctioning fees before, now I could be wrong but I think they are about 3%? . So if all 4 belts are on the line that would be 12%. Let's say the pot is 100 million, that's a lot of fcuking dough to the Alphabet boys isn't it? I could be way off. Anyone know how it works?

Unless there is a cap.

[coneye]

Regards the cheating that was a few years ago , he was,nt the first caught out he won,t be the last and i would,nt be suprised if Usyk was on the gear , just hopefully this will be a clean fight , but its one where Fury has done untold damage to his image he s just told a couple lies too many , but his daxd and his followers will come out and say the shenanagins were all a part of buisness playing games to get more money the money he does,nt care about , his haters dislikers calll them what you want will say he was scared they will be wrong Tyson Fury is scared of no man , However personaly i t hink its a bit of both, games too force more money, so he lies again , but also scared of a loss , not scared of Usyk but scared of a loss on his resume which he and his fans inflate, so if he,s going to risk a loss his ego alone will demand the higher purse , but personaaly i dont think the games have finished, boxing people will understand peaking i call theres going to be an injury Usyk would off been been training to peak around the end of april fury will get injured and find a new date for when he,s peaking and Usyk is,nt and if Usyk says no he won,t care the loss of money will not bother him , i actually belive him when he says he does,nt care about money he has more than he can spend living in morecombe , but when he does work he wants it all because he,s greedy , and if its not accepted he feels vindicated in pulling out ,, cancelation new date coming up

No amount of whataboutery would make Fury's cheating and lying about it right.

And really classy to accuse Usyk of something Fury done.

Fury fans are really something else. Fury is like cancer to boxing. His disappearing from the sport for good can’t come soon enough.

Well to be honest i,m not a fan of Fury , dont hate him like some do but i just think he,s ducked ,dived , his whole carreer , agree with him being a liar and a cheat , but the gut is a monster and could of beaten anyone , regards accusing Usyk of cheating i did,nt accuse i said i would,nt be suprised its definetly rife throughout i dont know too much about them but you wou,ld have to be naive to be suprised at any boxer caught out nowadays

[887986]

Regards the cheating that was a few years ago , he was,nt the first caught out he won,t be the last and i would,nt be suprised if Usyk was on the gear , just hopefully this will be a clean fight , but its one where Fury has done untold damage to his image he s just told a couple lies too many , but his daxd and his followers will come out and say the shenanagins were all a part of buisness playing games to get more money the money he does,nt care about , his haters dislikers calll them what you want will say he was scared they will be wrong Tyson Fury is scared of no man , However personaly i t hink its a bit of both, games too force more money, so he lies again , but also scared of a loss , not scared of Usyk but scared of a loss on his resume which he and his fans inflate, so if he,s going to risk a loss his ego alone will demand the higher purse , but personaaly i dont think the games have finished, boxing people will understand peaking i call theres going to be an injury Usyk would off been been training to peak around the end of april fury will get injured and find a new date for when he,s peaking and Usyk is,nt and if Usyk says no he won,t care the loss of money will not bother him , i actually belive him when he says he does,nt care about money he has more than he can spend living in morecombe , but when he does work he wants it all because he,s greedy , and if its not accepted he feels vindicated in pulling out ,, cancelation new date coming up

No amount of whataboutery would make Fury's cheating and lying about it right.

And really classy to accuse Usyk of something Fury done.

Fury fans are really something else. Fury is like cancer to boxing. His disappearing from the sport for good can’t come soon enough.

Well to be honest i,m not a fan of Fury , dont hate him like some do but i just think he,s ducked ,dived , his whole carreer , agree with him being a liar and a cheat , but the gut is a monster and could of beaten anyone , regards accusing Usyk of cheating i did,nt accuse i said i would,nt be suprised its definetly rife throughout i dont know too much about them but you wou,ld have to be naive to be suprised at any boxer caught out nowadays

I’m not a fan of insinuating fighters using roids. Usyk is one of the guys whom I believe are clean. Of course, I only have circumstantial evidence to support this:

1. He has a proven track record of being deeply religious and that he is a man of principle. Never has been anything shady or controversial about him in or out of the ring.

2. His body doesn’t look like at all that he is using. His weight gain was gradual and didn’t happen in a suspiciously short period.

3. His weight gain wasn’t a massive amount and his body composition/frame looks natural.

4. Afaik no professional fighter from Ukraine has ever been caught using banned substances. Ukrainians seem to take things like honour and discipline seriously, it looks like a cultural thing for them.

Like I said, nothing but circumstantial stuff. But let’s put it this way: Usyk is one of the least likely PED users in the whole of boxing.

[mickey1975]

No amount of whataboutery would make Fury's cheating and lying about it right.

And really classy to accuse Usyk of something Fury done.

Fury fans are really something else. Fury is like cancer to boxing. His disappearing from the sport for good can’t come soon enough.

Well to be honest i,m not a fan of Fury , dont hate him like some do but i just think he,s ducked ,dived , his whole carreer , agree with him being a liar and a cheat , but the gut is a monster and could of beaten anyone , regards accusing Usyk of cheating i did,nt accuse i said i would,nt be suprised its definetly rife throughout i dont know too much about them but you wou,ld have to be naive to be suprised at any boxer caught out nowadays

I’m not a fan of insinuating fighters using roids. Usyk is one of the guys whom I believe are clean. Of course, I only have circumstantial evidence to support this:

1. He has a proven track record of being deeply religious and that he is a man of principle. Never has been anything shady or controversial about him in or out of the ring.

2. His body doesn’t look like at all that he is using. His weight gain was gradual and didn’t happen in a suspiciously short period.

3. His weight gain wasn’t a massive amount and his body composition/frame looks natural.

4. Afaik no professional fighter from Ukraine has ever been caught using banned substances. Ukrainians seem to take things like honour and discipline seriously, it looks like a cultural thing for them.

Like I said, nothing but circumstantial stuff. But let’s put it this way: Usyk is one of the least likely PED users in the whole of boxing.

Holyfield is deeply religious.

[887986]

Well to be honest i,m not a fan of Fury , dont hate him like some do but i just think he,s ducked ,dived , his whole carreer , agree with him being a liar and a cheat , but the gut is a monster and could of beaten anyone , regards accusing Usyk of cheating i did,nt accuse i said i would,nt be suprised its definetly rife throughout i dont know too much about them but you wou,ld have to be naive to be suprised at any boxer caught out nowadays

I’m not a fan of insinuating fighters using roids. Usyk is one of the guys whom I believe are clean. Of course, I only have circumstantial evidence to support this:

1. He has a proven track record of being deeply religious and that he is a man of principle. Never has been anything shady or controversial about him in or out of the ring.

2. His body doesn’t look like at all that he is using. His weight gain was gradual and didn’t happen in a suspiciously short period.

3. His weight gain wasn’t a massive amount and his body composition/frame looks natural.

4. Afaik no professional fighter from Ukraine has ever been caught using banned substances. Ukrainians seem to take things like honour and discipline seriously, it looks like a cultural thing for them.

Like I said, nothing but circumstantial stuff. But let’s put it this way: Usyk is one of the least likely PED users in the whole of boxing.

Holyfield is deeply religious.

Holyfield, unlike Fury, is still not a proven PED user.

But okay then, you are right. Brilliantly refuting all my points with four words which it disprove everything about the other things I mentioned - the Ukrainians and their cultural disposition, the lack of Ukrainian professional athletes ever getting caught, Usyk’s body composition (which is totally different than that of Usyk, no “monster traps” or toned six pack on Usyk which is a sign of natural weight gain) etc.

Way to debate, brilliant argument there with four word.

The lengths Fury fans go to justify fornicating drug cheating is astonishing. You should be ashamed, really. But then again, the moral compass of Fury fans is fucked up anyway so no surprises there.

[tonyevs]

4. Afaik no professional fighter from Ukraine has ever been caught using banned substances. Ukrainians seem to take things like honour and discipline seriously, it looks like a cultural thing for them.

Vitali Klitschko - tested positive for a banned substance in 1996 when he was an amateur boxer preparing to represent his country, Ukraine, in the Olympics.

[BigDoofus]

The Forum bubble seemed so happy when it appeared the fight wasn’t going to happen. Now it’s “Fury will bring his own ref”. “Fury cheated “.
I get the impression that some will be overjoyed if the fight doesn’t happen.

[mickey1975]

The Forum bubble seemed so happy when it appeared the fight wasn’t going to happen. Now it’s “Fury will bring his own ref”. “Fury cheated “.
I get the impression that some will be overjoyed if the fight doesn’t happen.

Obviously. And if he wins convincingly the ‘Usyk was nowhere near as good as Holyfield’ thing will start immediately, despite everyone declaring Evander a drug cheat. Thankfully, this isn’t representative of the real world and Tyson will get the plaudits he deserves despite a few on here, some who are even the same person!

[Cyclops]

think it’s embarrassing that a new or casual fan to the sport looking for some informed discussion about this fight might come to this forum and instead find 78 pages of middle aged men bitching and sniping at each other like a bunch of teenage girls.

[mickey1975]

think it’s embarrassing that a new or casual fan to the sport looking for some informed discussion about this fight might come to this forum and instead find 78 pages of middle aged men bitching and sniping at each other like a bunch of teenage girls.

You’re right, and I said I’m out so I am. I do get targeted daily, though, with the same old sh!t.

[Frostieballs]

Going off topic, I was thinking about the sanctioning fees before, now I could be wrong but I think they are about 3%? . So if all 4 belts are on the line that would be 12%. Let's say the pot is 100 million, that's a lot of fcuking dough to the Alphabet boys isn't it? I could be way off. Anyone know how it works?

Unless there is a cap.

They will do a deal to keep their grubby hands on a share of the monster pot.

[887986]

4. Afaik no professional fighter from Ukraine has ever been caught using banned substances. Ukrainians seem to take things like honour and discipline seriously, it looks like a cultural thing for them.

Vitali Klitschko - tested positive for a banned substance in 1996 when he was an amateur boxer preparing to represent his country, Ukraine, in the Olympics.

I specifically wrote professional.

[quickeyg]

Hold up wait a minute.


Usyk (Champ/belt holder) vs Bellew

Usyk 20%
Bellew 80%

Sc*mroom have been robbing Usyk in all his fights by the looks of it.


Tony Bellew in his recent IFL TV is the biggest hypocrite EVER - complaining about the 70/30 when you gave Usyk 20%

[polecateddy]

Hold up wait a minute.


Usyk (Champ/belt holder) vs Bellew

Usyk 20%
Bellew 80%

Sc*mroom have been robbing Usyk in all his fights by the looks of it.


Tony Bellew in his recent IFL TV is the biggest hypocrite EVER - complaining about the 70/30 when you gave Usyk 20%

It’s fairly awful that people are endorsing the rip off/abusive attitude Fury is having against someone who sounds like a very honourable, good-natured guy whose war-torn country is currently being levelled by Russia. Why aren’t people calling Fury out more for calling the poor guy a ‘gap toothed bastard’ from his eye-sore gypsy mansion? I personally hope Fury loses every round if he even dares get to the start line of this one.

[Counter-puncher]

4. Afaik no professional fighter from Ukraine has ever been caught using banned substances. Ukrainians seem to take things like honour and discipline seriously, it looks like a cultural thing for them.

Vitali Klitschko - tested positive for a banned substance in 1996 when he was an amateur boxer preparing to represent his country, Ukraine, in the Olympics.

I specifically wrote professional.

you also wrote that it was a culture of honour that precludes cheating, which should apply to both professionals and amateurs, if true.

[quickeyg]

Looks like I touched a nerve or two

[The Gratest]

Probably touched more than a nerve.

[IRONFIST]

You have to give Usyk credit if he has really accepted the 70-30 split. I have a feeling that the fight will end in a draw if it happens, I'm calling it now.