Tyson Fury vs. Oleksandr Usyk | PPV - 18 May 2024

[tonyevs]

Fury is scared of no man ,bjut i do say he,s scared of losing the 0 ,he,s scared of gettting beat ,

I agree

Usyk is much more resilient mentally and cannot be intimidated, and Fury knows this.

I also don't think that Fury could cope with defeat and if/when he loses it could be a major problem for him

I agree

To be fair to Mick he wrote very early on (I reread whilst looking for his false claim) that Fury wouldn't try any mind-games against Usyk because he'd come out second best ... as we just seen, Fury tried it, lost loads of casual fans and got absolutely embarrassed.

My own thoughts are Fury wants to prolong his time in the limelight. He is a desperate attention seeker, but switched on enough to know what risks to avoid spoiling his position; a boxer who twice beat an opponent he has actively avoided will clearly fit that bill.

I definitely agree that a defeat will see Fury unravel a lot worse than we seen AJ unravel after Usyk2 .. we just witnessed Fury unravelling a little prior to his clearly reigned in last insta video .. the rant against haters & Simon Jordan demonstrated that.

Fury identifies as having difficulty managing his mood. He incorrectly self diagnoses this as bipolar.
When he loses we will see a huge fall from grace cos it will be very ugly.

[mickey1975]

He would take defeat the same way he took getting robbed against Wilder, with a shake of the hand and a rematch, He even gave McDermott an immediate rematch because of the controversy of the first fight. Watch his podcast with the high performance guys if you think he self diagnosed anything. You’re giving him way too much credit there if you think he’s studied the illness in depth in order to lie… I’ll give you the homeless donation and the fact he won’t become an Astronaut in retirement but not the mental illness one. Just look at the state of him at that time. He was a complete mess.
Even more upsetting for his detractors, his popularity will hit new highs if he beats Usyk, throw in an AJ stoppage and no casual in the UK will ever be convinced he isn’t the greatest heavy to ever come out of Britain, and you can go on about Razor Ruddock, etc all you want, it will fall on deaf ears.

[big lennox]

He would take defeat the same way he took getting robbed against Wilder, with a shake of the hand and a rematch, He even gave McDermott an immediate rematch because of the controversy of the first fight. Watch his podcast with the high performance guys if you think he self diagnosed anything. You’re giving him way too much credit there if you think he’s studied the illness in depth in order to lie… I’ll give you the homeless donation and the fact he won’t become an Astronaut in retirement but not the mental illness one. Just look at the state of him at that time. He was a complete mess.
Even more upsetting for his detractors, his popularity will hit new highs if he beats Usyk, throw in an AJ stoppage and no casual in the UK will ever be convinced he isn’t the greatest heavy to ever come out of Britain, and you can go on about Razor Ruddock, etc all you want, it will fall on deaf ears.

I thought he was completely robbed in the first fight against Wilder. The judges completely stiffed him, and I agree, he did take it in good grace.

I was also very nervous for him ahead of the Wilder rematch because of the heavy knockdowns he suffered in the first fight but he showed amazing bravery in the rematch to go on the front foot, stick it to Wilder, and completely take him apart. That, for me, was the performance of his career.

And it's also part of my frustrations with him these past 12 months or so. I genuinely don't understand this need to mess about with negotiations. He is a world beater and his actions have made it appear (even if it's not the case)that he is a bit wary of taking on Uysk. I massively hope I am wrong about this, though.

I think both Uysk and Fury are bright guys: blessed with super quick minds. Fury may not have had much formal education, but he is no one's fool. But something seems to have changed in recent times re willingness to get in with leading contenders.

[jamesmcdonnell]

He would take defeat the same way he took getting robbed against Wilder, with a shake of the hand and a rematch, He even gave McDermott an immediate rematch because of the controversy of the first fight. Watch his podcast with the high performance guys if you think he self diagnosed anything. You’re giving him way too much credit there if you think he’s studied the illness in depth in order to lie… I’ll give you the homeless donation and the fact he won’t become an Astronaut in retirement but not the mental illness one. Just look at the state of him at that time. He was a complete mess.
Even more upsetting for his detractors, his popularity will hit new highs if he beats Usyk, throw in an AJ stoppage and no casual in the UK will ever be convinced he isn’t the greatest heavy to ever come out of Britain, and you can go on about Razor Ruddock, etc all you want, it will fall on deaf ears.

I thought he was completely robbed in the first fight against Wilder. The judges completely stiffed him, and I agree, he did take it in good grace.

I was also very nervous for him ahead of the Wilder rematch because of the heavy knockdowns he suffered in the first fight but he showed amazing bravery in the rematch to go on the front foot, stick it to Wilder, and completely take him apart. That, for me, was the performance of his career.

And it's also part of my frustrations with him these past 12 months or so. I genuinely don't understand this need to mess about with negotiations. He is a world beater and his actions have made it appear (even if it's not the case)that he is a bit wary of taking on Uysk. I massively hope I am wrong about this, though.

I think both Uysk and Fury are bright guys: blessed with super quick minds. Fury may not have had much formal education, but he is no one's fool. But something seems to have changed in recent times re willingness to get in with leading contenders.

I'd not call the first fight a robbery, there were a lot of rounds where not a great deal was happening, it was a strange fight, in that it was very dramatic, and also quite boring at the same time.

I find it hard to believe that Fury would be genuinely afraid to get in with anybody, but I would say he probably doesn't fancy the risk reward level for fighting Usyk. As you say, Fury is no fool, and he knows exactly how good Usyk is, and that no matter how much bravado he gives off, it's quite possibly the most difficult fight of his career.

Maybe Fury isn't in a good place right now, as we all know, he blows hot and cold, and then some!

I just want to see them fight, and see the deserving man on the night win. The rest I can really tune out in the main.

[tonyevs]

He would take defeat the same way he took getting robbed against Wilder, with a shake of the hand and a rematch, He even gave McDermott an immediate rematch because of the controversy of the first fight. Watch his podcast with the high performance guys if you think he self diagnosed anything. You’re giving him way too much credit there if you think he’s studied the illness in depth in order to lie… I’ll give you the homeless donation and the fact he won’t become an Astronaut in retirement but not the mental illness one. Just look at the state of him at that time. He was a complete mess.
Even more upsetting for his detractors, his popularity will hit new highs if he beats Usyk, throw in an AJ stoppage and no casual in the UK will ever be convinced he isn’t the greatest heavy to ever come out of Britain, and you can go on about Razor Ruddock, etc all you want, it will fall on deaf ears.

He lost getting the win after Wilder 1 but he gained far more by the positive public reaction he gained following it; he got all the attention he craves.

But I bit confused that you think if he lost to Usyk he`d shake hands and do a rematch ... aside from him being so traumatised by having rematched Wilder 3x (not sure if he was as traumatised fighting Chisora 3x) making one condition he wouldn`t have a rematch clause in the contract - so how would/why/how he do this??

Self diagnosing bipolar was a very common thing whilst I worked in a CMHT. Its the complete opposite of giving him too much credit understanding the illness, because he clearly knows very little about it. Its just another thing he has been able to say and not pulled up about.
He typically gives some ridiculous statement each time he opens his mouth - I believe a lot is down to him struggling to control his emotions exacerbated by him not being too bright ... the homeless charity and Piers Morgan are waiting for his money he promised them. The UK public are waiting for the free to view fight ... his 07 Passat has been valeted beyond recognition ..

Come on Mick I am well aware you post these things for your own amusement. But only the greenest casual will ever really believe Fury is the best Brit heavyweight ever ... 10 yrs after his permanent retirement I imagine him to be held only slightly higher than Bruno ... his record will get dissected and even if he beats Usyk - as most of us here predict - its not going to elevate him to Lennox Lewis heights.

[mickey1975]

He would take defeat the same way he took getting robbed against Wilder, with a shake of the hand and a rematch, He even gave McDermott an immediate rematch because of the controversy of the first fight. Watch his podcast with the high performance guys if you think he self diagnosed anything. You’re giving him way too much credit there if you think he’s studied the illness in depth in order to lie… I’ll give you the homeless donation and the fact he won’t become an Astronaut in retirement but not the mental illness one. Just look at the state of him at that time. He was a complete mess.
Even more upsetting for his detractors, his popularity will hit new highs if he beats Usyk, throw in an AJ stoppage and no casual in the UK will ever be convinced he isn’t the greatest heavy to ever come out of Britain, and you can go on about Razor Ruddock, etc all you want, it will fall on deaf ears.

He lost getting the win after Wilder 1 but he gained far more by the positive public reaction he gained following it; he got all the attention he craves.

But I bit confused that you think if he lost to Usyk he`d shake hands and do a rematch ... aside from him being so traumatised by having rematched Wilder 3x (not sure if he was as traumatised fighting Chisora 3x) making one condition he wouldn`t have a rematch clause in the contract - so how would/why/how he do this??

Self diagnosing bipolar was a very common thing whilst I worked in a CMHT. Its the complete opposite of giving him too much credit understanding the illness, because he clearly knows very little about it. Its just another thing he has been able to say and not pulled up about.
He typically gives some ridiculous statement each time he opens his mouth - I believe a lot is down to him struggling to control his emotions exacerbated by him not being too bright ... the homeless charity and Piers Morgan are waiting for his money he promised them. The UK public are waiting for the free to view fight ... his 07 Passat has been valeted beyond recognition ..

Come on Mick I am well aware you post these things for your own amusement. But only the greenest casual will ever really believe Fury is the best Brit heavyweight ever ... 10 yrs after his permanent retirement I imagine him to be held only slightly higher than Bruno ... his record will get dissected and even if he beats Usyk - as most of us here predict - its not going to elevate him to Lennox Lewis heights.

Should he have let Whyte knock him out and dominate the rematch? To put him around Bruno level if he finishes with Wlad, Wilder, Usyk and AJ on his record is ludicrous. I did say the casuals but even the hardcore will have him right up there. Especially the longer times go on. Ian Darke was saying on Ringside Rewind this week he defended Lennox for years who, quite frankly, thought he was useless. An undefeated dominant heavy of his era will be ranked around Frank Bruno!

[jamesmcdonnell]

I agree. Fury is already ahead of Bruno by some way.

[Kilburn]

Teleport Fury into 1996 and he’d struggle to crack the top 15, in my opinion.

We’re just not in an era currently, that is producing great heavyweights.

[Nightmare Roy]

I saw an on line poll a while back and 67% said he was a better HW than Lennox do me a fcuking favour!

[jamesmcdonnell]

Teleport Fury into 1996 and he’d struggle to crack the top 15, in my opinion.

We’re just not in an era currently, that is producing great heavyweights.

I think that's an exaggeration - Fury would have been competitive for sure, his combination of size, speed and movement would cause problems in any era.

[Kilburn]

Teleport Fury into 1996 and he’d struggle to crack the top 15, in my opinion.

We’re just not in an era currently, that is producing great heavyweights.

I think that's an exaggeration - Fury would have been competitive for sure, his combination of size, speed and movement would cause problems in any era.

Which might have enabled him to go the distance with some of them, but actually beating them.. I’ve never been convinced.

[tonyevs]

He would take defeat the same way he took getting robbed against Wilder, with a shake of the hand and a rematch, He even gave McDermott an immediate rematch because of the controversy of the first fight. Watch his podcast with the high performance guys if you think he self diagnosed anything. You’re giving him way too much credit there if you think he’s studied the illness in depth in order to lie… I’ll give you the homeless donation and the fact he won’t become an Astronaut in retirement but not the mental illness one. Just look at the state of him at that time. He was a complete mess.
Even more upsetting for his detractors, his popularity will hit new highs if he beats Usyk, throw in an AJ stoppage and no casual in the UK will ever be convinced he isn’t the greatest heavy to ever come out of Britain, and you can go on about Razor Ruddock, etc all you want, it will fall on deaf ears.

He lost getting the win after Wilder 1 but he gained far more by the positive public reaction he gained following it; he got all the attention he craves.

But I bit confused that you think if he lost to Usyk he`d shake hands and do a rematch ... aside from him being so traumatised by having rematched Wilder 3x (not sure if he was as traumatised fighting Chisora 3x) making one condition he wouldn`t have a rematch clause in the contract - so how would/why/how he do this??

Self diagnosing bipolar was a very common thing whilst I worked in a CMHT. Its the complete opposite of giving him too much credit understanding the illness, because he clearly knows very little about it. Its just another thing he has been able to say and not pulled up about.
He typically gives some ridiculous statement each time he opens his mouth - I believe a lot is down to him struggling to control his emotions exacerbated by him not being too bright ... the homeless charity and Piers Morgan are waiting for his money he promised them. The UK public are waiting for the free to view fight ... his 07 Passat has been valeted beyond recognition ..

Come on Mick I am well aware you post these things for your own amusement. But only the greenest casual will ever really believe Fury is the best Brit heavyweight ever ... 10 yrs after his permanent retirement I imagine him to be held only slightly higher than Bruno ... his record will get dissected and even if he beats Usyk - as most of us here predict - its not going to elevate him to Lennox Lewis heights.

Should he have let Whyte knock him out and dominate the rematch? To put him around Bruno level if he finishes with Wlad, Wilder, Usyk and AJ on his record is ludicrous. I did say the casuals but even the hardcore will have him right up there. Especially the longer times go on. Ian Darke was saying on Ringside Rewind this week he defended Lennox for years who, quite frankly, thought he was useless. An undefeated dominant heavy of his era will be ranked around Frank Bruno!

You've completely lost me re allowing Whyte to KO him to get a rematch ... Can only think that's one of your lesser thought out baiting comments.

And whilst I'd agree that if he has wins against Usyk and AJ on his record it may very well elevate him a lot higher. The truth at this moment is that he still hasn't even signed for Usyk .. and AJ ain't even on the horizon .. so that bit too is nonsensical.

Fury's record thus far ain't good. An aged Wlad .. overhyped Wilder .. shit to bits Whyte .. ancient journeyman Chisora

[joshj909]

Fury's record thus far ain't good. An aged Wlad .. overhyped Wilder .. shit to bits Whyte .. ancient journeyman Chisora

In terms of people looking back on his opponents so far in 30+ years time comparing all time great heavyweights, Wlad is the only one that people will be able to say is conclusively a top win, discounting his age. Wilder has no proper legit wins yet but they will say he is a fearsome puncher then Whyte has a couple of decent enough wins in Povetkin and Parker but has not managed to get anything against the top tier of the era. That's the depth of his record when comparing it across generations.

[tigermoth87]

Teleport Fury into 1996 and he’d struggle to crack the top 15, in my opinion.

We’re just not in an era currently, that is producing great heavyweights.

False.

Athletes get better with every generation. It's true in every sport and it's true in boxing too.

[Nightmare Roy]

Teleport Fury into 1996 and he’d struggle to crack the top 15, in my opinion.

We’re just not in an era currently, that is producing great heavyweights.

False.

Athletes get better with every generation. It's true in every sport and it's true in boxing too.

Can't see anyone out there now living with a prime Lewis

[tonyevs]

Teleport Fury into 1996 and he’d struggle to crack the top 15, in my opinion.

We’re just not in an era currently, that is producing great heavyweights.

False.

Athletes get better with every generation. It's true in every sport and it's true in boxing too.

Fury underlines what rubbish that is to expand it to boxing.
The every generation gets better thing is best applied to athletics where marginal gains add to it .. plus PEDs of course.
Sprinters get faster .. cyclists get faster .. swimmers faster etc
Training, diet, equipment .. and opportunities too all had significance to that.

All Fury has is huge size and a very weak era. Of course he has skills, but clearly not skills superior to those of last 50 years.

Current boxers often get overhyped when their at the top, much like on flip side past boxers get more credit in hindsight - Lewis benefits this.

But in 10-20 years people will look at Fury's current record and say he was (probably) the best of a bad bunch.

[polecateddy]

Yes possibly in some of the lower divisions there are some fighters moving things forward from earlier eras in terms of performance, but I really don’t think current heavyweight division is one of those progressive areas. The talent pool is really shallow and it’s kind of tough to even think of 15 decent heavies around today. It is easy pickings for the top of tree. The competitive matches are just not really there.

[887986]

Usyk is a white Christian henry. Although not a gypsy, the slavs are hardly the worlds favourite people tbh

Imagine thinking everyone hates Fury because he's a white Christian, in a predominantly white Christian country victim mentality. His main "rivals" are a black Christian turned Muslim, two white Christian Slavs and a black Christian. Fury is the victim of course though.

And out of all these, Fury is the only one who kept insulting others for their nationality/race.

"Jewish people own all the banks, all the papers all the TV stations" and "American dosser" and "fat little Mexican" and "ugly gappy teeth foreigner" and "another Ukrainian homeless man" etc. The list is endless.

And of course, he did all of that by being a self-proclaimed advocate for mental health/anti-bullying as he whines about how he has been treated badly for being a traveller. What a disgusting hypocrite and what a hypocrite one has to be to root for him, find him "funny" or "entertaining" and believe his nonsense about mental health too. The guy is the biggest liar, the biggest racist and the biggest bully of them all, yet his imbecile vassals lap all it up.

[887986]

Teleport Fury into 1996 and he’d struggle to crack the top 15, in my opinion.

We’re just not in an era currently, that is producing great heavyweights.

False.

Athletes get better with every generation. It's true in every sport and it's true in boxing too.

Lol. Any version of Lewis would beat Fury to a pulp.

[The Gratest]

He lost getting the win after Wilder 1 but he gained far more by the positive public reaction he gained following it; he got all the attention he craves.

But I bit confused that you think if he lost to Usyk he`d shake hands and do a rematch ... aside from him being so traumatised by having rematched Wilder 3x (not sure if he was as traumatised fighting Chisora 3x) making one condition he wouldn`t have a rematch clause in the contract - so how would/why/how he do this??

Self diagnosing bipolar was a very common thing whilst I worked in a CMHT. Its the complete opposite of giving him too much credit understanding the illness, because he clearly knows very little about it. Its just another thing he has been able to say and not pulled up about.
He typically gives some ridiculous statement each time he opens his mouth - I believe a lot is down to him struggling to control his emotions exacerbated by him not being too bright ... the homeless charity and Piers Morgan are waiting for his money he promised them. The UK public are waiting for the free to view fight ... his 07 Passat has been valeted beyond recognition ..

Come on Mick I am well aware you post these things for your own amusement. But only the greenest casual will ever really believe Fury is the best Brit heavyweight ever ... 10 yrs after his permanent retirement I imagine him to be held only slightly higher than Bruno ... his record will get dissected and even if he beats Usyk - as most of us here predict - its not going to elevate him to Lennox Lewis heights.

Should he have let Whyte knock him out and dominate the rematch? To put him around Bruno level if he finishes with Wlad, Wilder, Usyk and AJ on his record is ludicrous. I did say the casuals but even the hardcore will have him right up there. Especially the longer times go on. Ian Darke was saying on Ringside Rewind this week he defended Lennox for years who, quite frankly, thought he was useless. An undefeated dominant heavy of his era will be ranked around Frank Bruno!

You've completely lost me re allowing Whyte to KO him to get a rematch ... Can only think that's one of your lesser thought out baiting comments.

And whilst I'd agree that if he has wins against Usyk and AJ on his record it may very well elevate him a lot higher. The truth at this moment is that he still hasn't even signed for Usyk .. and AJ ain't even on the horizon .. so that bit too is nonsensical.

Fury's record thus far ain't good. An aged Wlad .. overhyped Wilder .. shit to bits Whyte .. ancient journeyman Chisora

Here's this week's Ringside Rewind. Feel free to listen to it and let me know if anyone can find the part where Lennox Lewis is described as 'useless' , because I can't find it (He's discussed at the 15min mark)



We'll file this one alongside the 'terrified' hysteria.

[big lennox]

Well, another week has gone past and still no formal announcement that Fury vs Uysk is on. I can't ever remember a negotiation dragging on as long as this one.

[polecateddy]

Teleport Fury into 1996 and he’d struggle to crack the top 15, in my opinion.

We’re just not in an era currently, that is producing great heavyweights.

False.

Athletes get better with every generation. It's true in every sport and it's true in boxing too.

Lol. Any version of Lewis would beat Fury to a pulp.

Definitely some of the younger Forum members should get a range of Lewis’ fights rewatched on YouTube. Even fights like Lewis - Tua, shows excellent skill, power, movement, speed, stamina etc. Showing his craft to subdue a seriously dangerous guy.

[tonyevs]

*I have genuine concerns that Mick and Henry are one and the same people.
They evidence their discussions identically

[polecateddy]

Well, another week has gone past and still no formal announcement that Fury vs Uysk is on. I can't ever remember a negotiation dragging on as long as this one.

If Lewis had negotiated like this in the run up to the Holyfield fights, I’d imagine the American press would have labelled him a coward, trying to duck fights he might lose. No two ways about that.

[Phenomenal-Nutrition]

Teleport Fury into 1996 and he’d struggle to crack the top 15, in my opinion.

We’re just not in an era currently, that is producing great heavyweights.

False.

Athletes get better with every generation. It's true in every sport and it's true in boxing too.

Fury underlines what rubbish that is to expand it to boxing.
The every generation gets better thing is best applied to athletics where marginal gains add to it .. plus PEDs of course.
Sprinters get faster .. cyclists get faster .. swimmers faster etc
Training, diet, equipment .. and opportunities too all had significance to that.

All Fury has is huge size and a very weak era. Of course he has skills, but clearly not skills superior to those of last 50 years.

Current boxers often get overhyped when their at the top, much like on flip side past boxers get more credit in hindsight - Lewis benefits this.

But in 10-20 years people will look at Fury's current record and say he was (probably) the best of a bad bunch.

Fury's skillset combines many skills of other eras that I don't think anyone in any other era comes close to. He's copied the lateral movement of Leonard and Ali, he's copied the shoulder roll of Toney, he's copied Chris Byrd's jab catch defense, he's learnt Herol Graham switch hitting so he can box out of orthodox or southpaw stances, he's learnt the fast flurrying ability of Leonard and Delahoya and now he's added a Kronk powerpunching to his game. I'm not saying he's perfected all those skills, but for a 6'9 man with a dragon like wingspan it's massively impressive and massively difficult to get the better of. Fury doesn't look the part but he's the Usain Bolt of boxing

Also every era gets called a bad bunch at the time and only gets respect retroactively. When Ali and Frazier were fighting I think it was Gene Tunney who was saying Jess Willard would beat both, which is laughable.