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[polecateddy]

Wilder lost a lot of rounds. You’d have to give any durable good fighter a reasonable chance of beating him - Certainly McCall, Mercer, and many others. As seems to be the story today, there just isn’t the depth in the heavyweight division to expose him. I’d presume he’ll finish his career with a few bad stoppages which will diminish his stock.

[margaret thatcher]

bermane stiveren and dom breazeale are in the best 3 guys wilder has beaten, huge punch but gawd dang he's got quantity over quality

[mickey1975]

Wilder lost a lot of rounds. You’d have to give any durable good fighter a reasonable chance of beating him - Certainly McCall, Mercer, and many others. As seems to be the story today, there just isn’t the depth in the heavyweight division to expose him. I’d presume he’ll finish his career with a few bad stoppages which will diminish his stock.

I can't see him sinking as low as Mike Tyson or Holyfield.

[Phenomenal-Nutrition]

You sure Mickey? Wilder has absolutely NO resume. To be honest, until we have better yardsticks he could be anything.

Take your pick from the top heavyweights from the Lewis area, Wilder would have got hit hard and a lot from the opening bell. It would not have been pretty.

My money - in fact my house - would be on both Tommy Morrison and Andrew Golota absolutely destroying Wilder in quick and brutal style.

That would be quite silly Tony if it was possible. Tommy Morrison sparked in round 1 by Michael Bentt and Golota when he was getting knocked out in a single round against ranked opposition always found a way to lose. Those 2 have the absolute worst styles of the 90s to go up against Wilder. Golota would have a meltdown in the dressing room and Tommy would be throwing leeping left hooks with his chin high in the air You picking Herbie Hide over Wilder too mate?

Iron chinned guys like Bowe and Holyfield pressuring him on the front foot inside where he can't get the right off, sure that's worth a bet. But china chinned heartless types against the fastest, longest and perhaps biggest right hand in HW history. Come off it.

[polecateddy]

Wilder lost a lot of rounds. You’d have to give any durable good fighter a reasonable chance of beating him - Certainly McCall, Mercer, and many others. As seems to be the story today, there just isn’t the depth in the heavyweight division to expose him. I’d presume he’ll finish his career with a few bad stoppages which will diminish his stock.

I can't see him sinking as low as Mike Tyson or Holyfield.

Well time will tell - he could keep getting wheeled out like a latter-day Bert Cooper, with nothing but hope and a big punch.

[Frostieballs]

Wilder will go down as better than Berbick, Seldon, Smith, Spinks* and Bruno. *Spinks as a heavyweight.

You sure Mickey? Wilder has absolutely NO resume. To be honest, until we have better yardsticks he could be anything.

Yes, longevity alone.

Longevity against what?

You could Prince Patel on that score

[Phenomenal-Nutrition]

Wilder lost a lot of rounds. You’d have to give any durable good fighter a reasonable chance of beating him - Certainly McCall, Mercer, and many others. As seems to be the story today, there just isn’t the depth in the heavyweight division to expose him. I’d presume he’ll finish his career with a few bad stoppages which will diminish his stock.

Some of you need to take the rose tints off. I remember they used to call Mercer 1 of the best 4 round fighters in the world because he faded so much down the stretch without being much of a puncher. Which is why he went 1-1 with Jesse Ferguson and tried to bribe his opponent to lose during the actual fight.

McCall could bang a bit, but he didn't really bring any pressure and was pretty basic. Decent short right hand counter no doubt.

All the same quite plausible a 6'7, 83 inch reach outboxes both smaller men with his superior range and athleticism and smashes them on the way in with the big right if they try and apply pressure. McCall for his supposed iron chin went into a shell for 10 rounds when Bruno smashed him with the right hand.

[mickey1975]

You sure Mickey? Wilder has absolutely NO resume. To be honest, until we have better yardsticks he could be anything.

Yes, longevity alone.

Longevity against what?

You could Prince Patel on that score

Ok, go with his two Ortiz wins or his Olympic Bronze medal. He is actually very good at setting up that right hand.

[polecateddy]

Wilder lost a lot of rounds. You’d have to give any durable good fighter a reasonable chance of beating him - Certainly McCall, Mercer, and many others. As seems to be the story today, there just isn’t the depth in the heavyweight division to expose him. I’d presume he’ll finish his career with a few bad stoppages which will diminish his stock.

Some of you need to take the rose tints off. I remember they used to call Mercer 1 of the best 4 round fighters in the world because he faded so much down the stretch without being much of a puncher. Which is why he went 1-1 with Jesse Ferguson and tried to bribe his opponent to lose during the actual fight.

McCall could bang a bit, but he didn't really bring any pressure and was pretty basic. Decent short right hand counter no doubt.

All the same quite plausible a 6'7, 83 inch reach outboxes both smaller men with his superior range and athleticism and smashes them on the way in with the big right if they try and apply pressure. McCall for his supposed iron chin went into a shell for 10 rounds when Bruno smashed him with the right hand.

You could say their form was variable I suppose. Mercer could box a bit flat sometimes but not in the Holyfield or Lewis fights it should be noted. And McCall had issues with drug abuse but looked like a massive handful in Lewis 1. Some people on here probably know, but in how many fights has Wilder been behind on the cards before he’s found a punch? I mean Tua had loads of fights like that but people aren’t putting him on any particular pedestal. Wilder range and athleticism doesn’t necessarily equate to high level skills.

[margaret thatcher]

Yes, longevity alone.

Longevity against what?

You could Prince Patel on that score

Ok, go with his two Ortiz wins or his Olympic Bronze medal. He is actually very good at setting up that right hand.

gotta give that lou ortiz love. the ortiz-wilder-fury throuple is beautiful

seriously, who are the best 3 guys wilder has beat? you gotta seriously look at dudes like bermane and big dom taking spots. so many wins but so little quality

[Kilburn]

Wilder lost a lot of rounds. You’d have to give any durable good fighter a reasonable chance of beating him - Certainly McCall, Mercer, and many others. As seems to be the story today, there just isn’t the depth in the heavyweight division to expose him. I’d presume he’ll finish his career with a few bad stoppages which will diminish his stock.

Some of you need to take the rose tints off. I remember they used to call Mercer 1 of the best 4 round fighters in the world because he faded so much down the stretch without being much of a puncher. Which is why he went 1-1 with Jesse Ferguson and tried to bribe his opponent to lose during the actual fight.

McCall could bang a bit, but he didn't really bring any pressure and was pretty basic. Decent short right hand counter no doubt.

All the same quite plausible a 6'7, 83 inch reach outboxes both smaller men with his superior range and athleticism and smashes them on the way in with the big right if they try and apply pressure. McCall for his supposed iron chin went into a shell for 10 rounds when Bruno smashed him with the right hand.

Sure you can pull apart anyone’s resume, and pretty much all of the 90’s guys were capable of under performing on the night.

But if we’re talking best version of these guys up against Fury, it’s a no contest every time in my eyes.

If Fury had emerged back then, he’d have been little more than a proud British / Euro champion who couldn’t keep the world class guys from breaking him down, unless one of them happened to be on the razz the night before.

That’s not rose tinted specs, it’s watching the way Fury fights, how he throws punches, in comparison to those absolute wrecking machines - the level of which he has never had to contend with - on his way to the riches he has been so fortunate to accumulate.

[tonyevs]

Take your pick from the top heavyweights from the Lewis area, Wilder would have got hit hard and a lot from the opening bell. It would not have been pretty.

My money - in fact my house - would be on both Tommy Morrison and Andrew Golota absolutely destroying Wilder in quick and brutal style.

That would be quite silly Tony if it was possible. Tommy Morrison sparked in round 1 by Michael Bentt and Golota when he was getting knocked out in a single round against ranked opposition always found a way to lose. Those 2 have the absolute worst styles of the 90s to go up against Wilder. Golota would have a meltdown in the dressing room and Tommy would be throwing leeping left hooks with his chin high in the air You picking Herbie Hide over Wilder too mate?

Iron chinned guys like Bowe and Holyfield pressuring him on the front foot inside where he can't get the right off, sure that's worth a bet. But china chinned heartless types against the fastest, longest and perhaps biggest right hand in HW history. Come off it.

Bentt stopping Morrison is just one of those Rahman stopping Lewis flukes .. Bentt never before or after showed anything that would suggest he`d beat any of the best names on Morrisons resume.

Wilder is crude - big punching, but very crude. Added to the fact he loses his bottle and enthusiasm fairly quickly as showed in Fury 1 &2 when he was looking very sorry for himself and for the exit after a handful of rounds. To suggest a fast heavy handed Herbie Hide would have been able to get to him is entirely possible ... Wilder is also a small heavyweight by todays standards too.

The Golota would have been good enough, and confident enough, for the even cruder and far more limited Wilder.

[polecateddy]

My money - in fact my house - would be on both Tommy Morrison and Andrew Golota absolutely destroying Wilder in quick and brutal style.

That would be quite silly Tony if it was possible. Tommy Morrison sparked in round 1 by Michael Bentt and Golota when he was getting knocked out in a single round against ranked opposition always found a way to lose. Those 2 have the absolute worst styles of the 90s to go up against Wilder. Golota would have a meltdown in the dressing room and Tommy would be throwing leeping left hooks with his chin high in the air You picking Herbie Hide over Wilder too mate?

Iron chinned guys like Bowe and Holyfield pressuring him on the front foot inside where he can't get the right off, sure that's worth a bet. But china chinned heartless types against the fastest, longest and perhaps biggest right hand in HW history. Come off it.

Bentt stopping Morrison is just one of those Rahman stopping Lewis flukes .. Bentt never before or after showed anything that would suggest he`d beat any of the best names on Morrisons resume.

Wilder is crude - big punching, but very crude. Added to the fact he loses his bottle and enthusiasm fairly quickly as showed in Fury 1 &2 when he was looking very sorry for himself and for the exit after a handful of rounds. To suggest a fast heavy handed Herbie Hide would have been able to get to him is entirely possible ... Wilder is also a small heavyweight by todays standards too.

The Golota would have been good enough, and confident enough, for the even cruder and far more limited Wilder.

Just going off Lewis’ record, I’d be fairly confident Vitali, Rahman, Tua, Holyfield, Mavrovic, Akinwande, Mercer and McCall would have beaten Wilder. And depending on their confidence levels, Bruno and Golota would have had chances too.

[Boxerbeetle]

Wilder obviously has a hell of a punch, but he lost virtually every second of every round in both Ortiz fights before pulling them out of the bag. A large number of the 90s heavyweights would have absolutely brutalised him.

[margaret thatcher]

did someone say wilder has the fastest right hand in hw history? this dude is even faster than ali now?

[magnus]

We're only a couple of posts away from "Jimmy Thunder would be unified champ if he fought now". Glorious stuff.

I mean, I love the 90s, but FFS.

[Ruthless-RKO]

We're only a couple of posts away from "Jimmy Thunder would be unified champ if he fought now". Glorious stuff.

I mean, I love the 90s, but FFS.

Looking back. 90's was dreadful. Some good names.. but wasn't that good was it.

[margaret thatcher]

well, we already had wilder having the fastest hands in history, so it would fit right in

[polecateddy]

We're only a couple of posts away from "Jimmy Thunder would be unified champ if he fought now". Glorious stuff.

I mean, I love the 90s, but FFS.

Looking back. 90's was dreadful. Some good names.. but wasn't that good was it.

But then Wlad’s era was worse and so was the Joshua/Fury/Wilder era. I mean just typing that is bad enough. Only Fury and Wilder actually fought each other!

[joshj909]

We're only a couple of posts away from "Jimmy Thunder would be unified champ if he fought now". Glorious stuff.

I mean, I love the 90s, but FFS.

Looking back. 90's was dreadful. Some good names.. but wasn't that good was it.

But then Wlad’s era was worse and so was the Joshua/Fury/Wilder era. I mean just typing that is bad enough. Only Fury and Wilder actually fought each other!

Including Wilder in that is generous. The only reason he's ever mentioned is because the WBC let him use the belt as he pleased and because Fury demolished him. Whyte, Joyce, Povetkin, Parker, Ruiz, Usyk all could have done the same, maybe not in as devastating fashion, but they would have beat all of those opponents with Ortiz being the only tougher one.

[Phenomenal-Nutrition]

Wilder lost a lot of rounds. You’d have to give any durable good fighter a reasonable chance of beating him - Certainly McCall, Mercer, and many others. As seems to be the story today, there just isn’t the depth in the heavyweight division to expose him. I’d presume he’ll finish his career with a few bad stoppages which will diminish his stock.

Some of you need to take the rose tints off. I remember they used to call Mercer 1 of the best 4 round fighters in the world because he faded so much down the stretch without being much of a puncher. Which is why he went 1-1 with Jesse Ferguson and tried to bribe his opponent to lose during the actual fight.

McCall could bang a bit, but he didn't really bring any pressure and was pretty basic. Decent short right hand counter no doubt.

All the same quite plausible a 6'7, 83 inch reach outboxes both smaller men with his superior range and athleticism and smashes them on the way in with the big right if they try and apply pressure. McCall for his supposed iron chin went into a shell for 10 rounds when Bruno smashed him with the right hand.

You could say their form was variable I suppose. Mercer could box a bit flat sometimes but not in the Holyfield or Lewis fights it should be noted. And McCall had issues with drug abuse but looked like a massive handful in Lewis 1. Some people on here probably know, but in how many fights has Wilder been behind on the cards before he’s found a punch? I mean Tua had loads of fights like that but people aren’t putting him on any particular pedestal. Wilder range and athleticism doesn’t necessarily equate to high level skills.

I think the Lewis and Holyfield fights seriously flattered Mercer. Both boxed down to his level and fought a gameplan that suited him by brawling in close with him. Watch him against a 43yo Larry Holmes and he got thoroughly schooled. Lennox could of dominated if he kept it long but he wanted to put on a show to try and get the big American fights. Outside of that his best win is Morrison.

As for McCall before the drug addiction he was losing a shut out loss to Buster Douglas and being the only American title holder to not put Bruno away. Ironically it should be noted Mike Tyson was clowning on McCall for losing to Buster before Tyson himself got completely dominated

[Phenomenal-Nutrition]

My money - in fact my house - would be on both Tommy Morrison and Andrew Golota absolutely destroying Wilder in quick and brutal style.

That would be quite silly Tony if it was possible. Tommy Morrison sparked in round 1 by Michael Bentt and Golota when he was getting knocked out in a single round against ranked opposition always found a way to lose. Those 2 have the absolute worst styles of the 90s to go up against Wilder. Golota would have a meltdown in the dressing room and Tommy would be throwing leeping left hooks with his chin high in the air You picking Herbie Hide over Wilder too mate?

Iron chinned guys like Bowe and Holyfield pressuring him on the front foot inside where he can't get the right off, sure that's worth a bet. But china chinned heartless types against the fastest, longest and perhaps biggest right hand in HW history. Come off it.

Bentt stopping Morrison is just one of those Rahman stopping Lewis flukes .. Bentt never before or after showed anything that would suggest he`d beat any of the best names on Morrisons resume.

Wilder is crude - big punching, but very crude. Added to the fact he loses his bottle and enthusiasm fairly quickly as showed in Fury 1 &2 when he was looking very sorry for himself and for the exit after a handful of rounds. To suggest a fast heavy handed Herbie Hide would have been able to get to him is entirely possible ... Wilder is also a small heavyweight by todays standards too.

The Golota would have been good enough, and confident enough, for the even cruder and far more limited Wilder.

No Bentt stopping Morrison wasn't a fluke because loads of lower tier HWs bounced Morrison around the ring. Bentt didn't show anything after because he went into a coma in his very next fight FYI. But Mercer beat Morrison like a red haired step child and Ross Purrity bounced him

As for Wilder being crude, so what, he's far better than the incredibly crude Micheal Grant who Golotta quit against. No way in a million years is Golota beating Wilder if he can't beat Grant

And if you think the Herbie Hide is beating Wilder when he got knocked out by the wind from a Vitali punch and by cruserweight journeymen I really don't know what to say. He was certfied heartless china.

[polecateddy]

That would be quite silly Tony if it was possible. Tommy Morrison sparked in round 1 by Michael Bentt and Golota when he was getting knocked out in a single round against ranked opposition always found a way to lose. Those 2 have the absolute worst styles of the 90s to go up against Wilder. Golota would have a meltdown in the dressing room and Tommy would be throwing leeping left hooks with his chin high in the air You picking Herbie Hide over Wilder too mate?

Iron chinned guys like Bowe and Holyfield pressuring him on the front foot inside where he can't get the right off, sure that's worth a bet. But china chinned heartless types against the fastest, longest and perhaps biggest right hand in HW history. Come off it.

Bentt stopping Morrison is just one of those Rahman stopping Lewis flukes .. Bentt never before or after showed anything that would suggest he`d beat any of the best names on Morrisons resume.

Wilder is crude - big punching, but very crude. Added to the fact he loses his bottle and enthusiasm fairly quickly as showed in Fury 1 &2 when he was looking very sorry for himself and for the exit after a handful of rounds. To suggest a fast heavy handed Herbie Hide would have been able to get to him is entirely possible ... Wilder is also a small heavyweight by todays standards too.

The Golota would have been good enough, and confident enough, for the even cruder and far more limited Wilder.

No Bentt stopping Morrison wasn't a fluke because loads of lower tier HWs bounced Morrison around the ring. Bentt didn't show anything after because he went into a coma in his very next fight FYI. But Mercer beat Morrison like a red haired step child and Ross Purrity bounced him

As for Wilder being crude, so what, he's far better than the incredibly crude Micheal Grant who Golotta quit against. No way in a million years is Golota beating Wilder if he can't beat Grant

And if you think the Herbie Hide is beating Wilder when he got knocked out by the wind from a Vitali punch and by cruserweight journeymen I really don't know what to say. He was certfied heartless china.

Hide did hit Bowe an awful lot, but you’re right he would be a live underdog in a fun shootout.

[Phenomenal-Nutrition]

did someone say wilder has the fastest right hand in hw history? this dude is even faster than ali now?

Ali's might be quicker, maybe, but Wilder's right hand is more explosive than Ali's. Wilder wins the power x speed equation for right hands in HW history pretty easily.

[margaret thatcher]

not just maybe, different levels, no way does wilder have faster hands than ali