Tyson Fury vs. Oleksandr Usyk | PPV - 18 May 2024

[Grilling Machine]

I think Joyce-Ibeabuchi would've had us all reaching for imaginary towels. One of those rare fights I wouldn't have enjoyed witnessing.

But no doubt the '90s batch of heavies were better. Haye was a contender in his era, but who'd have backed him against Holyfield?

[polecateddy]

I think Joyce-Ibeabuchi would've had us all reaching for imaginary towels. One of those rare fights I wouldn't have enjoyed witnessing.

But no doubt the '90s batch of heavies were better. Haye was a contender in his era, but who'd have backed him against Holyfield?

That would have been a crazy even match up. Guessing Ike edges it on power and work rate but it’s close.

[si7dog7]

This heavyweight era is piss poor, hardly a controversial statement. It’s been utter crap since Lewis retired. The fact that someone so limited as Wilder as being heralded as one of the best of modern times says it all.

Wilder will go down as better than Berbick, Seldon, Smith, Spinks* and Bruno. *Spinks as a heavyweight.

Complete nonsense.

[tonyevs]

That would be quite silly Tony if it was possible. Tommy Morrison sparked in round 1 by Michael Bentt and Golota when he was getting knocked out in a single round against ranked opposition always found a way to lose. Those 2 have the absolute worst styles of the 90s to go up against Wilder. Golota would have a meltdown in the dressing room and Tommy would be throwing leeping left hooks with his chin high in the air You picking Herbie Hide over Wilder too mate?

Iron chinned guys like Bowe and Holyfield pressuring him on the front foot inside where he can't get the right off, sure that's worth a bet. But china chinned heartless types against the fastest, longest and perhaps biggest right hand in HW history. Come off it.

Bentt stopping Morrison is just one of those Rahman stopping Lewis flukes .. Bentt never before or after showed anything that would suggest he`d beat any of the best names on Morrisons resume.

Wilder is crude - big punching, but very crude. Added to the fact he loses his bottle and enthusiasm fairly quickly as showed in Fury 1 &2 when he was looking very sorry for himself and for the exit after a handful of rounds. To suggest a fast heavy handed Herbie Hide would have been able to get to him is entirely possible ... Wilder is also a small heavyweight by todays standards too.

The Golota would have been good enough, and confident enough, for the even cruder and far more limited Wilder.

No Bentt stopping Morrison wasn't a fluke because loads of lower tier HWs bounced Morrison around the ring. Bentt didn't show anything after because he went into a coma in his very next fight FYI. But Mercer beat Morrison like a red haired step child and Ross Purrity bounced him

As for Wilder being crude, so what, he's far better than the incredibly crude Micheal Grant who Golotta quit against. No way in a million years is Golota beating Wilder if he can't beat Grant

And if you think the Herbie Hide is beating Wilder when he got knocked out by the wind from a Vitali punch and by cruserweight journeymen I really don't know what to say. He was certfied heartless china.

Tell me your intentionally being silly?

[mickey1975]

This heavyweight era is piss poor, hardly a controversial statement. It’s been utter crap since Lewis retired. The fact that someone so limited as Wilder as being heralded as one of the best of modern times says it all.

Wilder will go down as better than Berbick, Seldon, Smith, Spinks* and Bruno. *Spinks as a heavyweight.

Complete nonsense.

Why?

[Kilburn]

Ibeabuchi was pretty damn fast with his punches too.

Kind of like Joseph Parker but, well… a lot better in every department.

[Frostieballs]

That would be quite silly Tony if it was possible. Tommy Morrison sparked in round 1 by Michael Bentt and Golota when he was getting knocked out in a single round against ranked opposition always found a way to lose. Those 2 have the absolute worst styles of the 90s to go up against Wilder. Golota would have a meltdown in the dressing room and Tommy would be throwing leeping left hooks with his chin high in the air You picking Herbie Hide over Wilder too mate?

Iron chinned guys like Bowe and Holyfield pressuring him on the front foot inside where he can't get the right off, sure that's worth a bet. But china chinned heartless types against the fastest, longest and perhaps biggest right hand in HW history. Come off it.

Bentt stopping Morrison is just one of those Rahman stopping Lewis flukes .. Bentt never before or after showed anything that would suggest he`d beat any of the best names on Morrisons resume.

Wilder is crude - big punching, but very crude. Added to the fact he loses his bottle and enthusiasm fairly quickly as showed in Fury 1 &2 when he was looking very sorry for himself and for the exit after a handful of rounds. To suggest a fast heavy handed Herbie Hide would have been able to get to him is entirely possible ... Wilder is also a small heavyweight by todays standards too.

The Golota would have been good enough, and confident enough, for the even cruder and far more limited Wilder.

No Bentt stopping Morrison wasn't a fluke because loads of lower tier HWs bounced Morrison around the ring. Bentt didn't show anything after because he went into a coma in his very next fight FYI. But Mercer beat Morrison like a red haired step child and Ross Purrity bounced him

As for Wilder being crude, so what, he's far better than the incredibly crude Micheal Grant who Golotta quit against. No way in a million years is Golota beating Wilder if he can't beat Grant

And if you think the Herbie Hide is beating Wilder when he got knocked out by the wind from a Vitali punch and by cruserweight journeymen I really don't know what to say. He was certfied heartless china.

Grant on a good day would beat Wilder.

[si7dog7]

Wilder will go down as better than Berbick, Seldon, Smith, Spinks* and Bruno. *Spinks as a heavyweight.

Complete nonsense.

Why?

Just look at the resumes Mickey

I know Mike Tyson is the common denominator

Wilder has beaten who? Really come on man!
Berbick beat Greg page and Pinklon Thoma- both of of whom would have schooled Wilder, aside from a haymaking lucky punch from the clouds

Seldon - no idea why that name you brought into the debate? Still some good names on there

Bonecrusher? Toys with Wilder

Spinks. Even money there from the guy that beat Holmes (ok controversially) But a far superior boxer to Wilder

Bruno - would have Wilder outta there. A very underrated boxer with a good chin. (Oh yes). Too brave for his own good was Frank. Not stellar but a very good heavyweight

I got Wilder 1-4 against those
At Best

[si7dog7]

Ibeabuchi was pretty damn fast with his punches too.

Kind of like Joseph Parker but, well… a lot better in every department.

Ike is one of those “if only” stories

[big lennox]

Latest from Uysk's manager. Sounds like they can't agree contracts. Seems more and more likely that the fight is not going to happen, doesn't it:

https://www.BS.com/usyk-manage ... ry--173172

[Teddy's Toupee]

A motivated, in shape Witherspoon would chin Wilder and Fury with a well-timed overhand right.

[margaret thatcher]

who are the top 3 guys wilder's beat?

[si7dog7]

A motivated, in shape Witherspoon would chin Wilder and Fury with a well-timed overhand right.

Agreed. Wilder might last 3 rounds . Fury would get out lasted

A lot of wasted years for Tim due to some unscrupulous management

Only one bad performance on Tim’s record really. V Bonecrusher (who’s not quite a John McDermott)

One of my favourite fighters back in the day was Tim

[Teddy's Toupee]

A motivated, in shape Witherspoon would chin Wilder and Fury with a well-timed overhand right.

Agreed. Wilder might last 3 rounds . Fury would get out lasted

A lot of wasted years for Tim due to some unscrupulous management

Only one bad performance on Tim’s record really. V Bonecrusher (who’s not quite a John McDermott)

One of my favourite fighters back in the day was Tim

[joshj909]

who are the top 3 guys wilder's beat?

1. Ortiz - Who's been down 9 times against three of his best four opponents and lost to every top 15 opponent, that he has faced.

2. Duhaupas - The chef holds a win over Helenius, along with Washington, but that's probably the best win of all other Wilder opponents. Didn't go down against Wilder either.

3. Helenius - Who is an inconsistent gatekeeper that also got stopped by Duhaupas and Washington. He has some fairly decent wins spread across his career but also poor losses.

Duhaupas, Helenius, Stiverne and maybe Breazeale are kind of interchangeable as none of them have legitimately been top guys but I think Duhaupas and Helenius have the best resume over their careers.

[Kilburn]

A motivated, in shape Witherspoon would chin Wilder and Fury with a well-timed overhand right.

Agreed. Wilder might last 3 rounds . Fury would get out lasted

A lot of wasted years for Tim due to some unscrupulous management

Only one bad performance on Tim’s record really. V Bonecrusher (who’s not quite a John McDermott)

One of my favourite fighters back in the day was Tim

Witherspoon’s right hand was almost Ali-like at times, such a fast, loose punch.

The war with Mercer was a belter.

[si7dog7]

Agreed. Wilder might last 3 rounds . Fury would get out lasted

A lot of wasted years for Tim due to some unscrupulous management

Only one bad performance on Tim’s record really. V Bonecrusher (who’s not quite a John McDermott)

One of my favourite fighters back in the day was Tim

Witherspoon’s right hand was almost Ali-like at times, such a fast, loose punch.

The war with Mercer was a belter.

Not biased I thought Terrible Tim edged it. He was passed his prime but won the fight in my view
The first few rounds were not scored properly imo.
I wasn’t angry the judges favoured Mercer. It was one of those.

[Teddy's Toupee]

Agreed. Wilder might last 3 rounds . Fury would get out lasted

A lot of wasted years for Tim due to some unscrupulous management

Only one bad performance on Tim’s record really. V Bonecrusher (who’s not quite a John McDermott)

One of my favourite fighters back in the day was Tim

Witherspoon’s right hand was almost Ali-like at times, such a fast, loose punch.

The war with Mercer was a belter.

Ali's was a straight right hand, Witherspoon used to drop his front shoulder and head and bring it over in an arcing motion(similar to the punch Cunningham threw that knocked down Fury, but much harder).

[Kilburn]

Witherspoon’s right hand was almost Ali-like at times, such a fast, loose punch.

The war with Mercer was a belter.

Ali's was a straight right hand, Witherspoon used to drop his front shoulder and head and bring it over in an arcing motion(similar to the punch Cunningham threw that knocked down Fury, but much harder).

Yes Witherspoon was famous for the trajectory of his right hand, but there was a similarity with Ali at times, the way it was so loose like lobbing a baseball.

[Kilburn]

Witherspoon’s right hand was almost Ali-like at times, such a fast, loose punch.

The war with Mercer was a belter.

Not biased I thought Terrible Tim edged it. He was passed his prime but won the fight in my view
The first few rounds were not scored properly imo.
I wasn’t angry the judges favoured Mercer. It was one of those.

I can’t remember scoring it back in 96 but I was disappointed that Tim didn’t get the nod, I certainly didn’t want to see his comeback derailed so quickly.

A rare buckle from Mercer in round 5, from one of many cracking right hands landed.

[si7dog7]

Witherspoon’s right hand was almost Ali-like at times, such a fast, loose punch.

The war with Mercer was a belter.

Not biased I thought Terrible Tim edged it. He was passed his prime but won the fight in my view
The first few rounds were not scored properly imo.
I wasn’t angry the judges favoured Mercer. It was one of those.

I can’t remember scoring it back in 96 but I was disappointed that Tim didn’t get the nod, I certainly didn’t want to see his comeback derailed so quickly.

A rare buckle from Mercer in round 5, from one of many cracking right hands landed.

If you look at R9 Tim v Holmes (which I you would’ve Kilburn)
There was a real chance there. A proper round of boxing with a hint of empathy. Maybe a “rookie” error from Tim at that time.

[si7dog7]

Witherspoon’s right hand was almost Ali-like at times, such a fast, loose punch.

The war with Mercer was a belter.

Not biased I thought Terrible Tim edged it. He was passed his prime but won the fight in my view
The first few rounds were not scored properly imo.
I wasn’t angry the judges favoured Mercer. It was one of those.

I can’t remember scoring it back in 96 but I was disappointed that Tim didn’t get the nod, I certainly didn’t want to see his comeback derailed so quickly.

A rare buckle from Mercer in round 5, from one of many cracking right hands landed.

If you look at R9 Tim v Holmes (which I you would’ve Kilburn)
There was a real chance there. A proper round of boxing with a hint of empathy. Maybe a “rookie” error from Tim at that time.

[Kilburn]

Not biased I thought Terrible Tim edged it. He was passed his prime but won the fight in my view
The first few rounds were not scored properly imo.
I wasn’t angry the judges favoured Mercer. It was one of those.

I can’t remember scoring it back in 96 but I was disappointed that Tim didn’t get the nod, I certainly didn’t want to see his comeback derailed so quickly.

A rare buckle from Mercer in round 5, from one of many cracking right hands landed.

If you look at R9 Tim v Holmes (which I you would’ve Kilburn)
There was a real chance there. A proper round of boxing with a hint of empathy. Maybe a “rookie” error from Tim at that time.

It was unbelievable round from both, one of the greats.

[Teddy's Toupee]

Witherspoon’s right hand was almost Ali-like at times, such a fast, loose punch.

The war with Mercer was a belter.

Ali's was a straight right hand, Witherspoon used to drop his front shoulder and head and bring it over in an arcing motion(similar to the punch Cunningham threw that knocked down Fury, but much harder).

Yes Witherspoon was famous for the trajectory of his right hand, but there was a similarity with Ali at times, the way it was so loose like lobbing a baseball.

We'll have to agree to disagree on the similarity of their right hands. But at least we agree on Witherspoon chinning both Wilder and Fury.

[Kilburn]

Ali's was a straight right hand, Witherspoon used to drop his front shoulder and head and bring it over in an arcing motion(similar to the punch Cunningham threw that knocked down Fury, but much harder).

Yes Witherspoon was famous for the trajectory of his right hand, but there was a similarity with Ali at times, the way it was so loose like lobbing a baseball.

We'll have to agree to disagree on the similarity of their right hands. But at least we agree on Witherspoon chinning both Wilder and Fury.

We certainly do