Tyson Fury vs. Oleksandr Usyk | PPV - 18 May 2024

[Frostieballs]

Looks like Fury is just waiting for the Governing bodies to step in and/or for Uysk to walk away. Then he can say Uysk backed out.

Can anyone else remember such a cowardly champion as Fury? The only one I can think of is Antonio Margarita with his loaded wraps against Cotto.

Never seen a bloke more cowardly in my life, reminds me of the French in world wars.
I doubt he even has the bottle to fight Chisora.....again

It's quite off-topic but it always makes my blood boil when I see stuff like that (and no, I'm not French nor do I have any connection or affiliation with them).

The French have one of the most impressive military histories in the world. A little over two hundred years ago half the world shat their pants at the thought of the Grande Armée - and they are labelled cowards? Proportionally, they have lost more people in WWI than Germany, Russia or the UK - and they are labelled cowards? They faced the German army alone, without any allies, at Verdun which was called "the blood pump of the world" - the longest, bloodiest battle of WWI and despite suffering some 400k casualties, they won - and they are labelled cowards? The French slogan from WWI, 'Ils ne passeront pas' literally means 'they shall not pass' became known all around the world when they stopped the last major German attack at the Second Battle of the Marne in 1918, effectively winning the war for the allies as the forces that defeat the Germans there were some 75% French - and they are labelled cowards?

It's not their fault that the Maginot line was proven ineffective. Despite that, they were a winning power in WW2 too. The French resistance was one of the fiercest in world history. France is a historical example of a country good at waging war. Modern myths and internet memes cannot erase the impact France had on wars of the past, wars of today and the idea of the Western way of war. When you think of how we fight you are thinking of something that is most likely somewhat French.

Interesting. Thanks.

[JamesPhilips]

Never seen a bloke more cowardly in my life, reminds me of the French in world wars.
I doubt he even has the bottle to fight Chisora.....again

It's quite off-topic but it always makes my blood boil when I see stuff like that (and no, I'm not French nor do I have any connection or affiliation with them).

The French have one of the most impressive military histories in the world. A little over two hundred years ago half the world shat their pants at the thought of the Grande Armée - and they are labelled cowards? Proportionally, they have lost more people in WWI than Germany, Russia or the UK - and they are labelled cowards? They faced the German army alone, without any allies, at Verdun which was called "the blood pump of the world" - the longest, bloodiest battle of WWI and despite suffering some 400k casualties, they won - and they are labelled cowards? The French slogan from WWI, 'Ils ne passeront pas' literally means 'they shall not pass' became known all around the world when they stopped the last major German attack at the Second Battle of the Marne in 1918, effectively winning the war for the allies as the forces that defeat the Germans there were some 75% French - and they are labelled cowards?

It's not their fault that the Maginot line was proven ineffective. Despite that, they were a winning power in WW2 too. The French resistance was one of the fiercest in world history. France is a historical example of a country good at waging war. Modern myths and internet memes cannot erase the impact France had on wars of the past, wars of today and the idea of the Western way of war. When you think of how we fight you are thinking of something that is most likely somewhat French.

The French effort in the combination of world wars was about as much use as a chocolate teapot.
And one man's resistance is another man's Vichy.
You will find it was Russia which suffered the worse losses, far more froze in their trenches than the number of French losses.
The French effectively winning the war for the Allies??? I'll have a pint of what you're having!
The next thing you will be saying is that Fury has a pair of stones!

The French were extremely brave in WW1. And lost 500,000 more men than the British. They also rarely left the trenches unlike the Brits and Germans who got rotated weekly. It was a filthy, awful waste of human life and it’s a highly depressing war.

WW2 you can argue differently but I can’t blame them. Losing another 1.3 million young men within another generation wouldn’t excite me. The French rode out WW2 cleverly if you ask me unlike warmonger and war criminal Winston Churchill…. And some French did escape France and fought the axis forces.

War is always about money and politics anyway and there is no glory at all in it. It’s the normal man who suffers as always whilst the generals and politicians get the glory.

[Ruthless-RKO]

Nearly 100 pages and the fights not announced.

[KiwiRider]

Nearly 100 pages and the fights not announced.

Will it be announced when we get to 100 Ruthie?
In all honesty, my patience is waning.

[Ruthless-RKO]

Nearly 100 pages and the fights not announced.

Will it be announced when we get to 100 Ruthie?
In all honesty, my patience is waning.

We probably get to 100 in the next few hours with the amount of trolling on this thread

[887986]

The French effort in the combination of world wars was about as much use as a chocolate teapot.
And one man's resistance is another man's Vichy.
You will find it was Russia which suffered the worse losses, far more froze in their trenches than the number of French losses.
The French effectively winning the war for the Allies??? I'll have a pint of what you're having!
The next thing you will be saying is that Fury has a pair of stones!

Okay, that is just trolling. You have an agenda here, clearly. Not sure what you have against the French, I don't even care.

But I stated facts and data, and you answered with anecdotal nonsense.

France lost a total of 1.7 million people in WW1. The population of France was 39.6 million back then.
Meaning: France lost 4.4% of their total population.

Russia lost a total of 3.4 million people in WW1. The population of Russia was 175 million back then.
Meaning: Russia lost 1.9% of their total population.

I repeat: proportionally, France lost more of its population than Germany, Russia or the UK did in WW1.

I also repeat: the last major German offensive was the Second Battle of the Marne. The defeat Germany suffered there practically meant they lost the war. 75% of the allied forces defeating Germany in that battle consisted of French battalions. There were a total of 58 allied divisions fighting: 44 French, 8 American, 4 British and 2 Italian. All three leaders of that allied army (Foch, Maistre and Fayolle) were French. A French majority (once again, for the third time: 75%, 3 soldiers out of 4 were French in that allied force) defeated Germany in a battle that led some hundred days later to the signing of the Armistice so yes, the French effectively won the war for the allies at Marne.

I'd also like to bring your attention to the tiny fact that the combined allied forces elected Foch as their Supreme Allied Commander in early 1918 and under the leadership of Foch the allied armies (once again, with a French majority) subsequently successfully stopped the German spring offences, hence shortening the war by years. Foch was also the leading general of the Hundred Days Offensive, undoing any advances the Germans made in the spring. All of this directly led to the signing of the Armistice in November 1918.

I love how you elegantly and casually just ignored all that, or the fact that the French, valiantly and without any allies, defeated the Germans at Verdun in the longest battle of WW1 and one of the longest and bloodiest battles in all of history. Talk about cowards and quitters.

As I said, you clearly have a rather baffling hatred and distasteful agenda against the French so I'm not going to engage with you any more regarding this topic as I don't really care for racists. Anyone with even a vague knowledge of history finds this internet meme of "French cowardice" and how their efforts in the world wars amounted to nothing ridiculous.

[KiwiRider]

Nearly 100 pages and the fights not announced.

Will it be announced when we get to 100 Ruthie?
In all honesty, my patience is waning.

We probably get to 100 in the next few hours with the amount of trolling on this thread

Knowing our luck it will get locked before then

[coneye]

Just thought i'd give it a little nudge to 100 pages , not really got anything too add except to repeat what i already said ,, i'll believe Fury will fight him when i hear the Ding Ding , even if he gets to the ring walk , he'll hurt himself climbing the steps One thing thugh i just can't understand why even the most ardant fans of Fury would give him a pass on this duck , price and Klitchko were bad enough , but this one Jeez its beyond believe , , notice His Father has been quiet on this one has well

[veriton]

See this thread has veered off a bit.

Fury has had his bluff called and is most likely trying to find a way out, quite funny really.

Wouldn't mind seeing Usyk v Dubois. As for Fury, I can see Manuel Charr being introduced to the crowd.

[tonyevs]

Are we up to page hundred yet?

[mickey1975]

Are we up to page hundred yet?

I think it would be appropriate if an announcement one way or another was made on page 100.

[tonyevs]

Are we up to page hundred yet?

I think it would be appropriate if an announcement one way or another was made on page 100.

Great idea Mick

[morm]

Mickey and mole outside Franklin's training headquarters, Compton Road, Harehills, LS9.

he looks a bit like old Usyk waiting for Fury to sign the contract

[big lennox]

Do people think this drawn out contract is a way of aping the YouTube world of creating a 'beef' and sustaining the profile of the fight?

It's tedious to follow as a fan, though.

[Nightmare Roy]

Do people think this drawn out contract is a way of aping the YouTube world of creating a 'beef' and sustaining the profile of the fight?

It's tedious to follow as a fan, though.

Nope I think Fury isn't match fit or doesn't fancy it. Made a ridiculously low offer most world champs would laugh at but got his bluff called out.

[Twinkle Toes]

If the only issue is refs and judges then surely that's not going to be hard to overcome.

I think Fury is fit, he has been penciled in for fighting on the 29th - As his camp have always said that this was the case. It does appear though that they didn't expect it to be against Usyk.

[dookus]

100 pages discussing negotiations for a fight that may or may not happen. Welcome to being a boxing fan in 2023

[big lennox]

If the only issue is refs and judges then surely that's not going to be hard to overcome.

I think Fury is fit, he has been penciled in for fighting on the 29th - As his camp have always said that this was the case. It does appear though that they didn't expect it to be against Usyk.

The ref is a key element in this. Uysk's team won't want a ref that will allow Fury to constantly hold and use illegal tactics.

[BigDoofus]

If the only issue is refs and judges then surely that's not going to be hard to overcome.

I think Fury is fit, he has been penciled in for fighting on the 29th - As his camp have always said that this was the case. It does appear though that they didn't expect it to be against Usyk.

The ref is a key element in this. Uysk's team won't want a ref that will allow Fury to constantly hold and use illegal tactics.

Are you know saying that Usyk is holding this up because he can’t appoint his own ref?

[Teddy's Toupee]

[big lennox]

Looking at the comments on social media, there is a perception amongst a lot of the fan that the whole negotiation is a bit of a scam by Fury, and he will ultimately box someone else instead, having used Uysk's name to garner interest.

Certainly, the low ball offer of 70/30 points towards Fury not really wanting the Uysk fight. As others have said, his bluff was called on that one.

[Nightmare Roy]

Looking at the comments on social media, there is a perception amongst a lot of the fan that the whole negotiation is a bit of a scam by Fury, and he will ultimately box someone else instead, having used Uysk's name to garner interest.

Certainly, the low ball offer of 70/30 points towards Fury not really wanting the Uysk fight. As others have said, his bluff was called on that one.

If they suddenly announce a new appointment for 29th his credibility is finished surely?

[The Gratest]

The WBA have set a deadline of 1st April to get it signed. This is possibly the dealine Usyk was referring to rather than his own personal deadline? (The one that Doofy ran away and hid from. Terrified).

[tonyevs]

Looking at the comments on social media, there is a perception amongst a lot of the fan that the whole negotiation is a bit of a scam by Fury, and he will ultimately box someone else instead, having used Uysk's name to garner interest.

Certainly, the low ball offer of 70/30 points towards Fury not really wanting the Uysk fight. As others have said, his bluff was called on that one.

If they suddenly announce a new appointment for 29th his credibility is finished surely?

Fury has done enough previously to blow his credibility .. PEDs, not honouring his word in front of thousands of viewers or to a charity, racist and homophobic statements, blatant lying of MH issues .. there is a very big list

But as we read here - his die-hard fans are dead from the neck up and don't understand it


*100th page

[Ruthless-RKO]

Fights gonna be announced within the next 24 posts.