Oleksandr Usyk vs. Daniel Dubois | TNT Sports PPV - 26 August 2023

Who wins?

Poll ended at 26 Aug 2023, 06:55

Usyk - Decision
37
29%
Usyk - T/KO
76
60%
DRAW
0
No votes
Dubois - T/KO
13
10%
Dubois - Decision
1
1%
 
Total votes: 127

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The Gratest wrote: 24 Mar 2023, 06:22 It isn't a contest of mandatories though Henry, and stylistically, I wouldn't rank a 6ft 9" Fury slobbing his weight down on top of stumpy Andy jr for 12 rounds as a great win. Even a flawed Joshua managed to easily keep Ruiz at bay (albeit, an overweight version) for 12 rounds, so someone with even greater height, weight, reach and boxing IQ like Fury would do so for an easy UD.
I think Ruiz jr is tailor-made for Fury, despite the wins and names he has on his record.
Oh mind you I believe Tyson Fury would easily win it.

But that's not a reason to diminish the match-up.

First, it's pretty self evident that both Fury and Usyk are worlds apart from everyone else in the division so its to be expected the fights to be relatively easy.

Second, as stated earlier Ruiz was unified champion which basically threw the title away by coming in excessively heavy but since then seems more committed to the sport getting wins over Arreola and Ortiz. So it would be a good legacy fight by eliminating one more title holder from his own era.

Third, it makes sense since Wilder's priced himself out against Ruiz and now that undisputed is gone (for now) that the only man left to fight with any real credibility is Ruiz because Joyce is tied up with Zhang and Joshua with Franklin, etc.

Fourth, if Fury was able to TKO or KO Ruiz it would be a great selling point for a future Joshua fight. "I knocked out the man you (Joshua) couldn't," or, "I defeated the man who beat Joshua so what makes Usyk so special?"

Fifth, let's be honest Fury needs more rounds and needs activity. Dereck Chisora was never proper preparation for Joshua let alone Usyk. But Ruiz? He's got a thick beard, despite his appearance he's got a good engine, and he's got fast and heavy hands. He'll go several rounds with Fury. He'll knock off the rust.

Let's be honest here, Ruiz is a bigger and better scalp than Dubois and Hrgovic. No offense to Hrgovic but nobody really knows him and in his last outing he did not look all that good. Usyk and Fury could beat both men in the same night. It's all about the optics though, and Ruiz definitely is more credible than Dubois and Hrgovic. Fury can easily say afterwards, "Hey I took on a tougher fight than Usyk. Usyk chose to bail on negotiations for Dubois instead."

Team Fury know that they have to try to fix their image. They overplayed their hand, and have went from being the most popular boxer arguably in the sport to being the most disliked. I'm sure that sentiment is not going to completely go away until Fury fights Usyk but in the interim he has to take on credible opponents.

No more soft touches until he's earned it. Ruiz would be a step in the right direction and good preparation for a showdown with Joshua which would in turn be good preparation for a showdown with Usyk.
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I get what you mean Henry, fully. A recognisable name, who beat one of Fury's main rivals, and a former title holder. It all looks great to the layman, but I just feel it would be another case of Fury pulling the wool over people's eyes and taking on someone who he knows he could beat. Another short heavyeight, without much mobility or head movement that he could pot shot with 1-2's, then lean all over on the inside.
I don't think he needs rounds to come back from this debacle; he needs a challenge, a proper balls out challenge that would test him and get fans back on his side.

In a way, it's comparable to when the original AJ fight got aborted due to the Wilder arbitration. It pissed off a lot of fans who thought we were finally so close to getting Fury v AJ (sure, it was Wilder who put the arbittation in place, but lets not pretend that Fury didn't have full knowledge of that). Instead, he was going over old ground against an opponent he dominated, chewed up and rolled over. However, what resulted in the 3rd fight, the knockdowns, the drama, it dampened the disappointment of Fury v AJ not happening.
He needs something like that again (not Wilder IV though!), something that will show his fighting heart, because it's now his heart that's getting questioned.
Despite Ruiz's name, titles, wins, I just don't see a fight with him would bring the necessary fireworks, thrills and provide an answer to his now questionable courage.
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andy ruiz would get schooled by fury like he did in the rematch with aj
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Dubois is a glass jaw, Usyk has light fists, but who knows. I still see it as a decision for Usyk, but Dubois has the chance to test the Ukrainian's chin and can be a danger for.
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tonyevs wrote: 23 Mar 2023, 04:33 I wonder if fWank will be happy for Dubois to take 30% or less?

Usyk should be pushing for a Saudi site to negate the UK home advantage too.

Hopefully Usyk makes good money.
Well he's going to have to be. WBA rules on the split between Super champion and regular is 75-25 in favour of Usyk.

Usyk should let it go to purse bids. You know Sky or DAZN would love to have that fight
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Dubois hasnt earned this fight if he gets it .
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Usyk wins this all day long, Dubois isn't ready for him, and probably never will be. He has the punchers chance but that's it.

And little chance I pay for this, but absolutely no chance I buy any Fury fight outside of Usyk, Joyce or Joshua, very pissed off with the Gypsy King at the moment.
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stevec@france wrote: 24 Mar 2023, 13:51 Dubois hasnt earned this fight if he gets it .
Has he done more than Yarde did?
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Will Dubois take this?

Ideal situation is Warren and DD find a way to weasel out of it (injury requires surgery) only for Usyk to face off with Hrgovic instead.

Hrgovic is a better fighter than Dubois and should be more fun to watch. Is he still with Matchroom? That would be good for UK boxing if Eddie could stage the fight as you’d hope he’d put a good card together to sell the fight and get one over on Fwank who must be fuming right now.

Joyce vs Usyk would be an end of year treat.
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Ruthless-RKO wrote: 24 Mar 2023, 15:15
stevec@france wrote: 24 Mar 2023, 13:51 Dubois hasnt earned this fight if he gets it .
Has he done more than Yarde did?
What’s better? Being beaten up by Joe Joyce while still having your moments or being beaten up by a shot Kovalev while having some, certainly more impressive, moments?
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Dubois should be fighting Fabio Wardley or Dillian Whyte, he’s done absolutely nothing to deserve a world title shot. If this happens it’s the kind of “world title” fight that gives boxing a bad name.
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Wonder how Frank plans to sell this PPV he inevitably wins the bids for? No doubt against the fearsome p4p unified champion.
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I don't think this will happen.
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mickey1975 wrote: 25 Mar 2023, 03:36 I don't think this will happen.
Good.
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Frank won’t let DD anywhere near Usyk, why would he? He’ll get stood on his head and knocked out. Makes no sense
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MightyWarrior wrote: 25 Mar 2023, 04:13 Frank won’t let DD anywhere near Usyk, why would he? He’ll get stood on his head and knocked out. Makes no sense
Yeah but Frank will get a payday. He may realise that Dubois doesn’t have the intangibles to make it to the top hence his soft matchmaking bar Joyce.
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Dubois has age on his side so would probably have a better chance of winning a belt once Usyk/Fury retire and the belts are split. Does he want to pass up on this opportunity though. A shock loss, like what nearly happened against Lerena, would be a big set back.
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mickey1975 wrote: 25 Mar 2023, 03:36 I don't think this will happen.
What are your thoughts on what happens instead? Usyk Vs Fury/Joyce/Hrgovic/Wilder/another WBA mandatory called?
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Daniel Dubois To Oleksandr Usyk: "Your Reign is Over!"

“It was a major injury but I had surgery on it straight after the fight nearly four months ago,” Dubois said. “To fight by the end of May, June that would be no problem at all.

“It was an ACL injury, I was on crutches for about a week after the surgery but I feel like I can recover quickly. There were a lot of thoughts going through my mind in that fight - like ‘oh shit, I need to get up’. But I got up and came through it. I didn’t even realise the knee had gone when it happened.

“The rehab is long, boring and hard but well worth it. It was like learning to walk again, boring stuff. I’m back punching again, bags, pads, all of that and my knee feels brand new, stronger than before. I’ve been running like Usain Bolt.”

He said: “This opportunity could be for more than one belt, that’s what I’m in it for. Why pass up this opportunity? I have the power to make it happen and win this fight.

“I’m ready to end his reign. I’m 100 up for it, fit and healthy, and I’m going to knock him out. How do I do it? I just have to land the right shot. It’s all about timing and this is my time. He’s a small guy isn’t he? So I have to test that chin. Can I do better than Dereck Chisora did? Of course.

“I have to go out there, believe in myself and put it on him, pressure him. I think that’s definitely the key. You see how Chisora did it and he hasn’t got power like me. Usyk, your reign is over.

“I’ve got to let my hands go, not hold back and just be myself. I know what to do, my trainer knows what to do. When I watch him I see ways to win and I know I’ve got the power to knock him out. That’s me, that’s how I fight and that’s what I bring: devastation.”
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Ruthless-RKO wrote: 24 Mar 2023, 15:15
stevec@france wrote: 24 Mar 2023, 13:51 Dubois hasnt earned this fight if he gets it .
Has he done more than Yarde did?
meghhh
HW is the top table and for me mando`s should always have really earned ie Joe Joyce in the last couple of years .
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joshj909 wrote: 25 Mar 2023, 04:30 Dubois has age on his side so would probably have a better chance of winning a belt once Usyk/Fury retire and the belts are split. Does he want to pass up on this opportunity though. A shock loss, like what nearly happened against Lerena, would be a big set back.
Dubois being beaten by Usyk would shock nobody .
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stevec@france wrote: 25 Mar 2023, 11:10
joshj909 wrote: 25 Mar 2023, 04:30 Dubois has age on his side so would probably have a better chance of winning a belt once Usyk/Fury retire and the belts are split. Does he want to pass up on this opportunity though. A shock loss, like what nearly happened against Lerena, would be a big set back.
Dubois being beaten by Usyk would shock nobody .
I meant a shock loss against one of his stay busy opponents before he could get his hands on a vacant belt in a couple of years if he passes up on this shot.
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joshj909 wrote: 25 Mar 2023, 11:12
stevec@france wrote: 25 Mar 2023, 11:10
joshj909 wrote: 25 Mar 2023, 04:30 Dubois has age on his side so would probably have a better chance of winning a belt once Usyk/Fury retire and the belts are split. Does he want to pass up on this opportunity though. A shock loss, like what nearly happened against Lerena, would be a big set back.
Dubois being beaten by Usyk would shock nobody .
I meant a shock loss against one of his stay busy opponents before he could get his hands on a vacant belt in a couple of years if he passes up on this shot.
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I think Dubois should go for it. Not many people get to fight for the unified heavyweight championship, in their careers.
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I hope the fight happens.

Dubois even if he loses isn't going to get bashed up, and it's no knock on him if he loses. They should go for it.
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