He is terrible - give it a few more fights and he’ll be demonstrating the classic chinny puncher routine for you. Geez, I even thought he was making a meal of that Zelenoff fight. Telegraphing everything!
Couldn't drop Charlie either
To be fair he's unbeaten in 400
He's no feather duster!
Personally I though Charlie was lucky to get the decision against Wilder as I felt he was outworked
When Duran beat Sugar Ray, he really should have just stayed away from Hagler and Hearns, and then claimed he was better than them both due to Sugar Ray beating them. That's the way to do it.
The Gratest wrote: ↑10 Apr 2023, 13:25
When Duran beat Sugar Ray, he really should have just stayed away from Hagler and Hearns, and then claimed he was better than them both due to Sugar Ray beating them. That's the way to do it.
I guess that's Furys idea!
Wilder needs to beat them both first though!
I'm hoping Fury proves me wrong because I really thought he would make the Usyk fight.
And if it was down to genuine contract disputes, he would then take on someone decent on the same date.
The idea of lineal's okay until you hold it to ransom, and even in the fab four's day McCallum was sidelined.
If we agree that Ortiz is Wilder's best win, Ruiz shares it now, and only Joshua's faced him so far. Fury's gone 7 years calling himself lineal (Joshua also beat Klitschko straight after, of course) but only fought Wilder and Whyte. He didn't know Whyte'd turn up in poor condition, so I'll credit him for that.
Otherwise, Fury and Wilder have just fought each other. There's no Usyk or Joshua or Joyce or Ruiz on either's record, so lineal's irrelevant at this point. To say that Fury needn't fight Usyk and Joshua if Wilder beats them is stretching it to absurdity.
Re: Joyce, the other top names seem happy to freeze him out until he's in his 40s. And the sad thing with modern boxing is that I expect it to happen.
Grilling Machine wrote: ↑10 Apr 2023, 14:25
The idea of lineal's okay until you hold it to ransom, and even in the fab four's day McCallum was sidelined.
If we agree that Ortiz is Wilder's best win, Ruiz shares it now, and only Joshua's faced him so far. Fury's gone 7 years calling himself lineal (Joshua also beat Klitschko straight after, of course) but only fought Wilder and Whyte. He didn't know Whyte'd turn up in poor condition, so I'll credit him for that.
Otherwise, Fury and Wilder have just fought each other. There's no Usyk or Joshua or Joyce or Ruiz on either's record, so lineal's irrelevant at this point. To say that Fury needn't fight Usyk and Joshua if Wilder beats them is stretching it to absurdity.
Re: Joyce, the other top names seem happy to freeze him out until he's in his 40s. And the sad thing with modern boxing is that I expect it to happen.
If Wilder was to beat Usyk and AJ , theres no doubt Furys stock would go up again , BUT lets not forget Wilder has probably the worst record of all for not taking or making fights against anyone other than hand picked sub par opponents ,
Ok he fought Fury , but cast your minds back he gave Fury a shot when he was coming off a long break , been terribly out of condition and he expected a walkover ,, second one he took , because he genuinly thught he won the first , 3rd well i don't know money , contractual , whatever but he did'nt think he could get hurt too much .
But its well documented he did refuse the AJ fight said it himself , he was ordered to fight Ruiz and thats not happenned , in fact who's suer he's actually going to fight again at all . Wilder - aj - Usyk - Joyce - Ruiz just is'nt going to happen Wilder is finished at top level , Tyson proved it was all a smokescreen with him , showed up his lack of genuine skills and talent , and to get in the mix he's gonna have to fight and beat guys he's spent a carreer ducking .
Fury really needs to fight AJ - Usyk to get back the adulation he used to have and seems to need , if not them definetly Ruiz and or Joyce .
Personaly i think two things happened here , both which have contributed to Tysons fall from popuarity
1 -- Dubois was made mandatory for Usyk , Fury decided to pull out, stuff everyone about , because he knew Usyk would have to fight Dubois then instead , Tysons going to sit back hope that Dubois lands an hail mary ounch , takes Usyks belts , then become the new knight in shining armor , come along and beat Dubois and declare himself the greatest boxer to ever lived
bermane stiverne and dom breazeale are still among the best 3 guys wilder has beat in nearly 50 fights, suddenly at going on 38 he's now gonna fight and beat usyk and josh? highly unlikely!
margaret thatcher wrote: ↑10 Apr 2023, 15:05
bermane stiverne and dom breazeale are still among the best 3 guys wilder has beat in nearly 50 fights, suddenly at going on 38 he's now gonna fight and beat usyk and josh? highly unlikely!
mickey1975 wrote: ↑10 Apr 2023, 16:28
To be fair to Wilder, he was ready to face Povetkin in Moscow.
If he was ready, he wouldn't fly away with the first news about Povetkin's result, which eventually was recognized as eligible.
Most people are saying Usyk did the same. Ran the minute negotiations got tough. They’ve even admitted it.
Rubbish Mickey ,, the only thing they admitted was Your man put obstacles and demands on every turn, If i were in there shoes the 70-30 split alone would of made me walk , i would of said , fair enough your a bigger draw , but i've got 3 belts you got one, yOU WANT TO BE UNDISPUTED BEST BOXER IN THE WORLD its 50-50 ,
If he was ready, he wouldn't fly away with the first news about Povetkin's result, which eventually was recognized as eligible.
Most people are saying Usyk did the same. Ran the minute negotiations got tough. They’ve even admitted it.
Rubbish Mickey ,, the only thing they admitted was Your man put obstacles and demands on every turn, If i were in there shoes the 70-30 split alone would of made me walk , i would of said , fair enough your a bigger draw , but i've got 3 belts you got one, yOU WANT TO BE UNDISPUTED BEST BOXER IN THE WORLD its 50-50 ,
If you wanted to become the Forum “people’s Champion” you would be better off publicly accepting the split before you did a runner.
Frostieballs wrote: ↑11 Apr 2023, 03:30
According to Jordan yesterday, there is a plan afoot in Saudi to make:
- Fury vs Usyk
- AJ vs Wilder
For a double header in December.
Winners to face off 3 or 4 months later.
I’ll forgive all boxers involved for anything if that comes off!
Of course that would be great but why wait until December?
None of the fighters are getting any younger
I believe that works best for the Saudis.
Tyson apparently out beforehand in July.
In the papers today they talked about Fury v AJ in December, with AJ sitting it out until then.
Who knows? I feel Fury needs to stay active to keep his body and mind in check.
Maybe AJ doesn't want to risk losing and is waiting for his pension payoff.
