sparring gym killers that whooped big champions and never shine on the big scene of boxing/ lost in the process?

[apollo creed]

There must be some stories and some names of these guys that were some monsters inside the boxing gym and beat big champions in sparrings (in the ams and pros) but they didn't make it to the top and sunk in obscurity?

[goose 5]

I used to hang with Mando Ramos and he would say Jerry Stokes was the greatest gym fighter he ever saw.

[marcel laguna]

60s-70s Oakland Light Heavy Eddie « Bossman » Jones was a legendary sparring partner who was said to embarrass world class boxers in the ring. Yet, his demeanor in actual pro fights was more subdued and did not always put in his best effort. His career record was something like 25-15.

[apollo creed]

I used to hang with Mando Ramos and he would say Jerry Stokes was the greatest gym fighter he ever saw.

man, he must have been really good.

[apollo creed]

60s-70s Oakland Light Heavy Eddie « Bossman » Jones was a legendary sparring partner who was said to embarrass world class boxers in the ring. Yet, his demeanor in actual pro fights was more subdued and did not always put in his best effort. His career record was something like 25-15.

Ali and Foreman , sparring partner?

Jimmy Ellis, Jeff Merritt, Henry Clark, Larry Middleton, Roy Williams ? I read they were very good gym fighters/ sparring partners.

[Thomastearns]

Sadly, this sort of thing happens in all sports.

I once witnessed a snooker player who was regularly potting the respotted black from behind the baulk line!

He was smashing in reds and blacks as if it was nothing but then the one time he made it to the televised stages, he looked like he was treading water.

It must be one of the saddest things in sports.

Most people in boxing know how good Dave Price was, especially Tyson Fury who who lost to him in the amateurs and always avoided him through his pro career.

Fury even gave up his UK title to avoid David Price.

David Price will always know he didn't achieve half of what he could have.

The human mind is a very strange thing.

At certain times it seems determined to be working against you - increasing nerves and draining confidence.

And for someone who knows they're really good, what can be more frustrating than that?

[apollo creed]

Sadly, this sort of thing happens in all sports.

I once witnessed a snooker player who was regularly potting the respotted black from behind the baulk line!

He was smashing in reds and blacks as if it was nothing but then the one time he made it to the televised stages, he looked like he was treading water.

It must be one of the saddest things in sports.

Most people in boxing know how good Dave Price was, especially Tyson Fury who who lost to him in the amateurs and always avoided him through his pro career.

Fury even gave up his UK title to avoid David Price.

David Price will always know he didn't achieve half of what he could have.

The human mind is a very strange thing.

At certain times it seems determined to be working against you - increasing nerves and draining confidence.

And for someone who knows they're really good, what can be more frustrating than that?

Indeed, its very true that every sport has its amazing talented fighters who aren't able to shine under the lights and make it to the top level. David Price is a very good exemple in boxing.

I guess its something about the stress anxiety and very powerful bad emotions that pretty much drains the fighter from his focus and his grit when he has to perform under the lights.

[Yuzo]

they say that bernard mays was the best kronk boxer of them all.

[apollo creed]

they say that bernard mays was the best kronk boxer of them all.

Such big pity about this fighter. He had all the talent in the world but his addiction of alcohol killed him. sad story.

He could've been a great legendary champion if he stayed out of bad addictions.

[Thomastearns]

they say that bernard mays was the best kronk boxer of them all.

Such big pity about this fighter. He had all the talent in the world but his addiction of alcohol killed him. sad story.

He could've been a great legendary champion if he stayed out of bad addictions.

'He was the most talented Kronk boxer of all - he was like a legend, really.'

- Emanuel Steward

I already knew the story about the young Tommy Hearns getting his nose bust up in sparring and bravely carrying on, but I didn't know how it happened.

Until now.

There's a great article on Bernard Mays here. It's well worth a read, just keep some tissues nearby.


https://www.douggiejohn.com/post/2020/0 ... -the-kronk

[franciscojavier]

According to Shane Mosley on his appearance on Erik Morales’ and Barrera’s YouTube channel(Un Round Más), his son Shane Mosley Jr. regularly is competitive with, or even gets the better of, world champions in sparring, to the point where some of them request an extra day of sparring against Jr. to do better and lessen the embarrassment a little. The name I remember him bringing up was Badou Jack, which if that’s true definitely sounds to me like Jr. Is very talented but just has some issues translating it from the gym into fight night.

[Mexi-Box]

I'm not sure if it was him, but the guy that Groves smashed in the 168 lb tourney, Jamie Cox. I only heard about him because they said he was a monster in sparring. Would really beat up guys, a gym legend. Anyways, he didn't get far in the tournament, and I don't think I've heard anything about him since.

[matthewcb]

I remember hearing, back in the day, that Elijah Tillery (of Riddick Bowe controversy fame) was a monster in sparring, but couldn't repeat in a pro situation.

[apollo creed]

I heard that top notch fighters like Ali and FMJ were dominated in some of their sparrings, if this is true?

[Romi]

I heard that top notch fighters like Ali and FMJ were dominated in some of their sparrings, if this is true?

Paul Spadafora got the better of Floyd in a 6 rd sparring session back in the late 90’s. It’s on YouTube. I read where Jesse Reid said that Floyd wanted to stop after 4 rds but he insisted that he spar the entire 6 rds. I don’t make too much of it. Every ring great has gotten his ass handed to him more than once in sparring sessions. Had these 2 fought in a real fight, there is little doubt who would have been victorious.

[jamesmcdonnell]

I heard that top notch fighters like Ali and FMJ were dominated in some of their sparrings, if this is true?

Ali was well known for laying on the ropes absorbing punishment during sparring, he said he did it to toughen himself up and prepare the the real thing.

[AngryGoon38]

Sadly, this sort of thing happens in all sports.

I once witnessed a snooker player who was regularly potting the respotted black from behind the baulk line!

He was smashing in reds and blacks as if it was nothing but then the one time he made it to the televised stages, he looked like he was treading water.

It must be one of the saddest things in sports.

Most people in boxing know how good Dave Price was, especially Tyson Fury who who lost to him in the amateurs and always avoided him through his pro career.

Fury even gave up his UK title to avoid David Price.

David Price will always know he didn't achieve half of what he could have.

The human mind is a very strange thing.

At certain times it seems determined to be working against you - increasing nerves and draining confidence.

And for someone who knows they're really good, what can be more frustrating than that?

Indeed, its very true that every sport has its amazing talented fighters who aren't able to shine under the lights and make it to the top level. David Price is a very good exemple in boxing.

I guess its something about the stress anxiety and very powerful bad emotions that pretty much drains the fighter from his focus and his grit when he has to perform under the lights.

Every Sport has it's Amazingly Talented participants, who for whatever reason(Typically Anxiety and Nerves),aren't able to have that Talent/Ability of they'res enter into it's truest True potential Fruition.
I'm a proverbial example myself. Baseball.
Practicing at the park or at the batting cage I'd look Like a Real Standout Future Superstar.
Then I'd usually typically basically Choke(As a position player) while in uniform in organized games.
As a pitcher, I was mentally Solid, but my shoulder just wouldn't Hold up. Always Shoulder issues.

[jaouad]

Ray Patterson (Floyds brother) knocked down Sonny Liston in a sparring session during his comeback in Sweden. Mike Williams (Union Cane from Rocky V) knocked down Mike Tyson once according to Bill Cayton. They sparred a couple of times in 1986. Tyson Apparently let Williams punch his body to toughen up his Mid Section. You can’t really call both of them Gym Killers but they were first ones i thought off.

[gilgamesh]

The one I always heard about being a monster in the Gym was Andy Lee.

While he was very good in the ring, he never managed to get to the very top, and usually would lose the bigger fights, but he apparently was the man at Kronk during his time as a fighter.

[apollo creed]

Sadly, this sort of thing happens in all sports.

I once witnessed a snooker player who was regularly potting the respotted black from behind the baulk line!

He was smashing in reds and blacks as if it was nothing but then the one time he made it to the televised stages, he looked like he was treading water.

It must be one of the saddest things in sports.

Most people in boxing know how good Dave Price was, especially Tyson Fury who who lost to him in the amateurs and always avoided him through his pro career.

Fury even gave up his UK title to avoid David Price.

David Price will always know he didn't achieve half of what he could have.

The human mind is a very strange thing.

At certain times it seems determined to be working against you - increasing nerves and draining confidence.

And for someone who knows they're really good, what can be more frustrating than that?

Indeed, its very true that every sport has its amazing talented fighters who aren't able to shine under the lights and make it to the top level. David Price is a very good exemple in boxing.

I guess its something about the stress anxiety and very powerful bad emotions that pretty much drains the fighter from his focus and his grit when he has to perform under the lights.

Every Sport has it's Amazingly Talented participants, who for whatever reason(Typically Anxiety and Nerves),aren't able to have that Talent/Ability of they'res enter into it's truest True potential Fruition.
I'm a proverbial example myself. Baseball.
Practicing at the park or at the batting cage I'd look Like a Real Standout Future Superstar.
Then I'd usually typically basically Choke(As a position player) while in uniform in organized games.
As a pitcher, I was mentally Solid, but my shoulder just wouldn't Hold up. Always Shoulder issues.

Indeed, its all about of how strong and durable is our nervous system in stressful environments and situations.

[apollo creed]

Ray Patterson (Floyds brother) knocked down Sonny Liston in a sparring session during his comeback in Sweden. Mike Williams (Union Cane from Rocky V) knocked down Mike Tyson once according to Bill Cayton. They sparred a couple of times in 1986. Tyson Apparently let Williams punch his body to toughen up his Mid Section. You can’t really call both of them Gym Killers but they were first ones i thought off.

[apollo creed]

The one I always heard about being a monster in the Gym was Andy Lee.

While he was very good in the ring, he never managed to get to the very top, and usually would lose the bigger fights, but he apparently was the man at Kronk during his time as a fighter.

Andy Lee was indeed a good fighter and he even got some good opportunities with Chavez Jr , Quillin and BJS.



He must've been very good in sparrings.

[gilgamesh]

He has some noteworthy victories as a Pro too don't get me wrong. He just never hit the very, very top. He breathed on it a few times though.

I was a big fan of Andy.

[apollo creed]

He has some noteworthy victories as a Pro too don't get me wrong. He just never hit the very, very top. He breathed on it a few times though.

I was a big fan of Andy.

Korobov was a nice win for Andy.

Imo Andy was a very clean boxer who was fighting upright and he was relying too much on single shots.

[apollo creed]

Andy was pretty much a classic textbook boxer.