Deontay Claims to be to the BBOAT (best banger of all time)

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Cleveland Williams often gets named for his punching power, Ring Magazine listed him in their top 100 biggest punchers in history but what top fighter did he ever knock out, was Terrell his biggest scalp?



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big cat is overrated as hell, lol sweet sugar williams :yay:
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margaret thatcher wrote: 09 May 2023, 16:05 big cat is overrated as hell, lol sweet sugar williams :yay:
Soon as I saw his name mentioned I knew you were soon to follow. Alp thinks he was the HW SRR. Geez how long ago was that?
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Deontay may be in top 5. BOAT has little to do with GOAT. We're talking one-punch power, not delivery system.

Shavers and Foreman would also be top 5. Heard a Mike DeJohn hit pretty hard.
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Controversial wrote: 09 May 2023, 00:48
Cask wrote: 08 May 2023, 13:44 He has never knocked out a durable fighter. Arthur Szpilka made him to live and death, Argue Szpilka gets done in 20 seconds in Foremands old him of the month tour, Wilder goes life and death

Name me a heavyweight in the last 30 years with a worse chin than undefeated Szpilka
Wilder can struggle in fights because he doesn’t have great boxing ability, his power is what wins him fights and ultimately he KO’d Szpilka with one punch. Apart from Fury who hasn’t he stopped? He’s only won one fight on points against Stiverne and stopped him in the 1st in the rematch. You can argue another ref would’ve stopped Fury in that first fight too while he was laid out.


Steverns hardly iron Chin or Sven himself is he?? Don't give me that pish of when they dragged his fat corpse into the ring to fall over so that they can say "knocked out everybody he ever faced"

Steve Cunningham out Tyson down for about 8 and he was a light punching cruiser

Deborah Wilder couldn't knock out Charlie Zelenoff


He KO'd funny cruiserweight Szpilka in one punch, wow, that's really up there with almost killing undefeated Joe Frazier in two and Ken Norton coming off victories over Ali and be back in time to eat a toastie from his grill.

That's not even as impressive as Hayes stoppage over Chisora ffs

Question, would Stiverne have any name whatsoever if he was a Klitschko contender?? He'd be nabbed to death and stopped in six, and I mean the half of shape version that took Wilder the distance
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Tony1244 wrote: 11 May 2023, 19:10 Deontay may be in top 5. BOAT has little to do with GOAT. We're talking one-punch power, not delivery system.

Shavers and Foreman would also be top 5. Heard a Mike DeJohn hit pretty hard.
Foreman hits Charlie Zelenoff a full force hook in the face, what happens????
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Cask wrote: 12 May 2023, 11:12
Controversial wrote: 09 May 2023, 00:48
Cask wrote: 08 May 2023, 13:44 He has never knocked out a durable fighter. Arthur Szpilka made him to live and death, Argue Szpilka gets done in 20 seconds in Foremands old him of the month tour, Wilder goes life and death

Name me a heavyweight in the last 30 years with a worse chin than undefeated Szpilka
Wilder can struggle in fights because he doesn’t have great boxing ability, his power is what wins him fights and ultimately he KO’d Szpilka with one punch. Apart from Fury who hasn’t he stopped? He’s only won one fight on points against Stiverne and stopped him in the 1st in the rematch. You can argue another ref would’ve stopped Fury in that first fight too while he was laid out.


Steverns hardly iron Chin or Sven himself is he?? Don't give me that pish of when they dragged his fat corpse into the ring to fall over so that they can say "knocked out everybody he ever faced"

Steve Cunningham out Tyson down for about 8 and he was a light punching cruiser

Deborah Wilder couldn't knock out Charlie Zelenoff


He KO'd funny cruiserweight Szpilka in one punch, wow, that's really up there with almost killing undefeated Joe Frazier in two and Ken Norton coming off victories over Ali and be back in time to eat a toastie from his grill.

That's not even as impressive as Hayes stoppage over Chisora ffs

Question, would Stiverne have any name whatsoever if he was a Klitschko contender?? He'd be nabbed to death and stopped in six, and I mean the half of shape version that took Wilder the distance
No one has said Wilder is a great fighter, but he often finishes fights with one punch which very few HWs manage. That is what this thread is about, his power. His right hand would hurt anyone if it landed.
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Sorry lads absolutely no way is that a video of the hardest puncher to ever live , Zelenoff ran away after getting punched by 0-12 Andrew Hartley, here he gets bit by the biggest hanger of all time and goes back for more :OhYes:
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Controversial wrote: 12 May 2023, 11:25
Cask wrote: 12 May 2023, 11:12
Controversial wrote: 09 May 2023, 00:48

Wilder can struggle in fights because he doesn’t have great boxing ability, his power is what wins him fights and ultimately he KO’d Szpilka with one punch. Apart from Fury who hasn’t he stopped? He’s only won one fight on points against Stiverne and stopped him in the 1st in the rematch. You can argue another ref would’ve stopped Fury in that first fight too while he was laid out.


Steverns hardly iron Chin or Sven himself is he?? Don't give me that pish of when they dragged his fat corpse into the ring to fall over so that they can say "knocked out everybody he ever faced"

Steve Cunningham out Tyson down for about 8 and he was a light punching cruiser

Deborah Wilder couldn't knock out Charlie Zelenoff


He KO'd funny cruiserweight Szpilka in one punch, wow, that's really up there with almost killing undefeated Joe Frazier in two and Ken Norton coming off victories over Ali and be back in time to eat a toastie from his grill.

That's not even as impressive as Hayes stoppage over Chisora ffs

Question, would Stiverne have any name whatsoever if he was a Klitschko contender?? He'd be nabbed to death and stopped in six, and I mean the half of shape version that took Wilder the distance
No one has said Wilder is a great fighter, but he often finishes fights with one punch which very few HWs manage. That is what this thread is about, his power. His right hand would hurt anyone if it landed.
Lots of heavyweights end fights in one punch, Wilder couldn't KO Audley, Price did, in one punch
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Cask wrote: 12 May 2023, 11:27
Controversial wrote: 12 May 2023, 11:25
Cask wrote: 12 May 2023, 11:12



Steverns hardly iron Chin or Sven himself is he?? Don't give me that pish of when they dragged his fat corpse into the ring to fall over so that they can say "knocked out everybody he ever faced"

Steve Cunningham out Tyson down for about 8 and he was a light punching cruiser

Deborah Wilder couldn't knock out Charlie Zelenoff


He KO'd funny cruiserweight Szpilka in one punch, wow, that's really up there with almost killing undefeated Joe Frazier in two and Ken Norton coming off victories over Ali and be back in time to eat a toastie from his grill.

That's not even as impressive as Hayes stoppage over Chisora ffs

Question, would Stiverne have any name whatsoever if he was a Klitschko contender?? He'd be nabbed to death and stopped in six, and I mean the half of shape version that took Wilder the distance
No one has said Wilder is a great fighter, but he often finishes fights with one punch which very few HWs manage. That is what this thread is about, his power. His right hand would hurt anyone if it landed.
Lots of heavyweights end fights in one punch, Wilder couldn't KO Audley, Price did, in one punch
Not consistently they don't. We can all come up with scenarios to prove or disprove anything. Henry Cooper flattened Ali, something that Shavers, Foreman, Liston etc couldn't. Does that mean Cooper punched harder than them?
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Controversial wrote: 12 May 2023, 11:30
Cask wrote: 12 May 2023, 11:27
Controversial wrote: 12 May 2023, 11:25

No one has said Wilder is a great fighter, but he often finishes fights with one punch which very few HWs manage. That is what this thread is about, his power. His right hand would hurt anyone if it landed.
Lots of heavyweights end fights in one punch, Wilder couldn't KO Audley, Price did, in one punch
Not consistently they don't. We can all come up with scenarios to prove or disprove anything. Henry Cooper flattened Ali, something that Shavers, Foreman, Liston etc couldn't. Does that mean Cooper punched harder than them?
No not scenarios to "Prove or disprove anything". If you make a claim that Wilder is the hardest puncher of every heavyweight boxer to ever step in the ring, I need more than Artur Szpilka. Brezeale got up btw.

Name the most durable fighter Wilder has fought. I think foreman almost killed George Chuvalo and he had to be pulled out for his own safety, Chuvalo the guy many say had maybe the toughest chin of all time. Wilder has beaten...Eric Molina? Has he been stopped 7 times of 8 by now? Wilder beat up Johann Duhaupas, can't knock him down but late stoppage after 10 rounds of big pinches..GASP another guy who's been knocked out many times, including one punch JOe


You need to have something to balance it out with it you're gonna go "all "time" here
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Cask wrote: 12 May 2023, 11:41
Controversial wrote: 12 May 2023, 11:30
Cask wrote: 12 May 2023, 11:27

Lots of heavyweights end fights in one punch, Wilder couldn't KO Audley, Price did, in one punch
Not consistently they don't. We can all come up with scenarios to prove or disprove anything. Henry Cooper flattened Ali, something that Shavers, Foreman, Liston etc couldn't. Does that mean Cooper punched harder than them?
No not scenarios to "Prove or disprove anything". If you make a claim that Wilder is the hardest puncher of every heavyweight boxer to ever step in the ring, I need more than Artur Szpilka. Brezeale got up btw.

Name the most durable fighter Wilder has fought. I think foreman almost killed George Chuvalo and he had to be pulled out for his own safety, Chuvalo the guy many say had maybe the toughest chin of all time. Wilder has beaten...Eric Molina? Has he been stopped 7 times of 8 by now? Wilder beat up Johann Duhaupas, can't knock him down but late stoppage after 10 rounds of big pinches..GASP another guy who's been knocked out many times, including one punch JOe


You need to have something to balance it out with it you're gonna go "all "time" here
I never said he was the hardest puncher all time, I said he has to be up there. Of course Wilder hasn't fought the quality that other fighters have, no one said he has. The point is a hard punch is a hard punch and to consistently end fights quickly and often with one shot is a proof of power. Wilder is a one trick pony, he has very little skill and that’s why he gets outboxed but he has a punch that gets him out of trouble. Are you seriously suggesting just because someone like Chuvolo hasn't been hit and stopped by him that he can't punch? Thats a very simplistic way to look at it.
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Cask wrote: 12 May 2023, 11:41
Controversial wrote: 12 May 2023, 11:30
Cask wrote: 12 May 2023, 11:27

Lots of heavyweights end fights in one punch, Wilder couldn't KO Audley, Price did, in one punch
Not consistently they don't. We can all come up with scenarios to prove or disprove anything. Henry Cooper flattened Ali, something that Shavers, Foreman, Liston etc couldn't. Does that mean Cooper punched harder than them?
No not scenarios to "Prove or disprove anything". If you make a claim that Wilder is the hardest puncher of every heavyweight boxer to ever step in the ring, I need more than Artur Szpilka. Brezeale got up btw.

Name the most durable fighter Wilder has fought. I think foreman almost killed George Chuvalo and he had to be pulled out for his own safety, Chuvalo the guy many say had maybe the toughest chin of all time. Wilder has beaten...Eric Molina? Has he been stopped 7 times of 8 by now? Wilder beat up Johann Duhaupas, can't knock him down but late stoppage after 10 rounds of big pinches..GASP another guy who's been knocked out many times, including one punch JOe


You need to have something to balance it out with it you're gonna go "all "time" here
Norton and Frazier got up after they were hit by Foreman. Many heavyweights got up after getting hit by Shavers. Zelenoff was running from Wilder. No proof this was Wilder's best shot. Not even his best hand. Zelenoff may be talentless and insane, but he may have a good chin.

No one is saying Wilder is a GOAT. But he may certainly be a top 5 or top 10 BBOAT.
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Cask wrote: 12 May 2023, 11:41
Controversial wrote: 12 May 2023, 11:30
Cask wrote: 12 May 2023, 11:27

Lots of heavyweights end fights in one punch, Wilder couldn't KO Audley, Price did, in one punch
Not consistently they don't. We can all come up with scenarios to prove or disprove anything. Henry Cooper flattened Ali, something that Shavers, Foreman, Liston etc couldn't. Does that mean Cooper punched harder than them?
No not scenarios to "Prove or disprove anything". If you make a claim that Wilder is the hardest puncher of every heavyweight boxer to ever step in the ring, I need more than Artur Szpilka. Brezeale got up btw.

Name the most durable fighter Wilder has fought. I think foreman almost killed George Chuvalo and he had to be pulled out for his own safety, Chuvalo the guy many say had maybe the toughest chin of all time. Wilder has beaten...Eric Molina? Has he been stopped 7 times of 8 by now? Wilder beat up Johann Duhaupas, can't knock him down but late stoppage after 10 rounds of big pinches..GASP another guy who's been knocked out many times, including one punch JOe


You need to have something to balance it out with it you're gonna go "all "time" here
The proof is there for you to see. You have a guy that fights like a low level amateur. Poor movement, poor timing, poor accuracy, fairly weak jab, and basically only 1 significant punch in his arsenal.

Based on my saying that you'd assume this was a guy who mostly knocked out stiffs, and got outboxed by anyone in the Top 40.

But no. He won a World Title and made 10 title defenses. (weak opposition through a lot of his reign I'll grant you)

You have to have truly amazing punching power when that's ALL you have, and it's taken Wilder as far as it's taken him.
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, Goat, Gwoat, Bboat…it just sounds corny
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1111519 wrote: 12 May 2023, 20:37 , Goat, Gwoat, Bboat…it just sounds corny
I agree!!
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Controversial wrote: 12 May 2023, 11:25
Cask wrote: 12 May 2023, 11:12
Controversial wrote: 09 May 2023, 00:48

Wilder can struggle in fights because he doesn’t have great boxing ability, his power is what wins him fights and ultimately he KO’d Szpilka with one punch. Apart from Fury who hasn’t he stopped? He’s only won one fight on points against Stiverne and stopped him in the 1st in the rematch. You can argue another ref would’ve stopped Fury in that first fight too while he was laid out.


Steverns hardly iron Chin or Sven himself is he?? Don't give me that pish of when they dragged his fat corpse into the ring to fall over so that they can say "knocked out everybody he ever faced"

Steve Cunningham out Tyson down for about 8 and he was a light punching cruiser

Deborah Wilder couldn't knock out Charlie Zelenoff


He KO'd funny cruiserweight Szpilka in one punch, wow, that's really up there with almost killing undefeated Joe Frazier in two and Ken Norton coming off victories over Ali and be back in time to eat a toastie from his grill.

That's not even as impressive as Hayes stoppage over Chisora ffs

Question, would Stiverne have any name whatsoever if he was a Klitschko contender?? He'd be nabbed to death and stopped in six, and I mean the half of shape version that took Wilder the distance
No one has said Wilder is a great fighter, but he often finishes fights with one punch which very few HWs manage. That is what this thread is about, his power. His right hand would hurt anyone if it landed.
You can say that about David Price
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Very few heavyweights manage one punch KOs? Well if Szpilka counts as a one punch KO even though he took quite a few punches in that fight,most heavyweighr bangers have many clean KOs on their record, as many or more than Wilder. How many guys has Klitschko knocked out around the level of Molina, Szpilka and Breazeale? That a all his KOs are is contenders of that level or below
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Duhaupas couldn't even beat one of the Lower tier Klitschko challengers but Deontay stops him in ten that were to him b don't one of the hardest punched of all time. His resume is garbage
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Cask wrote: 13 May 2023, 16:31 Very few heavyweights manage one punch KOs? Well if Szpilka counts as a one punch KO even though he took quite a few punches in that fight,most heavyweighr bangers have many clean KOs on their record, as many or more than Wilder. How many guys has Klitschko knocked out around the level of Molina, Szpilka and Breazeale? That a all his KOs are is contenders of that level or below
Klit was big puncher too. Price could bang as well. You are twisting words again, no one said very few
HWs manage one punch KOs. As was said before Wilder is pretty poor technically, he gets outboxed and can look very average but to have the KO ratio he has shows he can punch. I think he has managed to floor everyone he’s fought and several were laid out from one punch.
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only guy he didnt floor was johnny duhaupas
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oogiebe wrote: 09 May 2023, 22:06
margaret thatcher wrote: 09 May 2023, 16:05 big cat is overrated as hell, lol sweet sugar williams :yay:
Soon as I saw his name mentioned I knew you were soon to follow. Alp thinks he was the HW SRR. Geez how long ago was that?
Have never said anything remotely like that. Have just countered some of marge's ridiculous statements about him. I have never started a thread about him. Marge has started at least 4.
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gilgamesh wrote: 12 May 2023, 13:08
Cask wrote: 12 May 2023, 11:41
Controversial wrote: 12 May 2023, 11:30

Not consistently they don't. We can all come up with scenarios to prove or disprove anything. Henry Cooper flattened Ali, something that Shavers, Foreman, Liston etc couldn't. Does that mean Cooper punched harder than them?
No not scenarios to "Prove or disprove anything". If you make a claim that Wilder is the hardest puncher of every heavyweight boxer to ever step in the ring, I need more than Artur Szpilka. Brezeale got up btw.

Name the most durable fighter Wilder has fought. I think foreman almost killed George Chuvalo and he had to be pulled out for his own safety, Chuvalo the guy many say had maybe the toughest chin of all time. Wilder has beaten...Eric Molina? Has he been stopped 7 times of 8 by now? Wilder beat up Johann Duhaupas, can't knock him down but late stoppage after 10 rounds of big pinches..GASP another guy who's been knocked out many times, including one punch JOe


You need to have something to balance it out with it you're gonna go "all "time" here
The proof is there for you to see. You have a guy that fights like a low level amateur. Poor movement, poor timing, poor accuracy, fairly weak jab, and basically only 1 significant punch in his arsenal.

Based on my saying that you'd assume this was a guy who mostly knocked out stiffs, and got outboxed by anyone in the Top 40.

But no. He won a World Title and made 10 title defenses. (weak opposition through a lot of his reign I'll grant you)

You have to have truly amazing punching power when that's ALL you have, and it's taken Wilder as far as it's taken him.
10 title defenses? That automatically means a lot.

Agree that he had very little ability outside of power. Could it just possible that he had as much success as he did was largely because his competition was terrible?
btw- Were any of the 10 guys that Wilder defended the title against heavier than him?
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Ambling Alp II wrote: 14 May 2023, 15:15
oogiebe wrote: 09 May 2023, 22:06
margaret thatcher wrote: 09 May 2023, 16:05 big cat is overrated as hell, lol sweet sugar williams :yay:
Soon as I saw his name mentioned I knew you were soon to follow. Alp thinks he was the HW SRR. Geez how long ago was that?
Have never said anything remotely like that. Have just countered some of marge's ridiculous statements about him. I have never started a thread about him. Marge has started at least 4.
You're exact quote was, "Cleveland Williams was more elusive than Fury, Zora Folley was" as compared to Tyson Fury. :lol:
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our boi said sugar sweet feet cleave was more elusive and skilled than any hw boxing in recent years :lol:
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