32 y/o GGG vs 32 y/o Canelo ; now we can understand better how great was GGG even after his prime!

[apollo creed]

32/32 is the number, because 30/30 would be a whole lot different, and yet I would still favour GGG.
My biggest question is would GGG stop Canelo at 32/32?

27 y/o Canelo could not beat a 35 y/o past of his prime GGG, so its logical to think that even at 30-30, 29-29 or 28-28 , GGG would've been even more sharper, fresher and stronger for Canelo.

I was allowing Canelo to get to his peak at 30. I agree that Canelo prior to that was not experienced enough to handle it.

In get it but lets be honest prior to that Canelo had even more pro fights at the top level than GGG, but yeah prime\ prime GGG would be the better and stronger fighter.

[jamesmcdonnell]

I think it's possible that Canelo went into this fight with little regard for his opponent, and as a consequence gave a sub par peformance.

Of course he's had an extremely long career have turned pro so young, and there must be a lot of wear and tear physically by now. The legs are usually the first thing to go, and he seemingly struggled to get out of the way of a lot of shots.

Nobody goes on forever, Canelo is of course near the end. He will probably lose the bivol rematch, there's not really much else for him to achieve now, so maybe he should consider retirement, he's got to be wealthy beyond imagining anyway.

[adislav123]

suppose it's not too easy to hang em' up while u still get paid 50 mil. per fight 3 times a year.

[apollo creed]

I think it's possible that Canelo went into this fight with little regard for his opponent, and as a consequence gave a sub par peformance.

Of course he's had an extremely long career have turned pro so young, and there must be a lot of wear and tear physically by now. The legs are usually the first thing to go, and he seemingly struggled to get out of the way of a lot of shots.

Nobody goes on forever, Canelo is of course near the end. He will probably lose the bivol rematch, there's not really much else for him to achieve now, so maybe he should consider retirement, he's got to be wealthy beyond imagining anyway.

Well yeah, but also I think Ryder was very well prepared and very motivated to make a statement vs Canelo. Ryder was improving a lot in the last four years and the first time he looked that was against Callum Smith. I think Ryder is the type of fighter that he's getting very motivated and he's performing better against top competition.

As for Canelo, it's obvious that his mind still want it but his body can't do it as when he was younger, but when you are getting very well paid then you have that motivation to keep going and milk the game.

[gilgamesh]

True , and at that time when they fought for the first time, Canelo was 26 y/o and G was 34-35 y/o and G still beat a prime-young Canelo first time and then G gave Canelo a tough-close fight in the rematch. Actually I think G did better in rematch.

He won the first 2 fights.

The 1st fight is absolutely undeniable.

The 2nd fight, because Canelo did better in some parts people wanna pretend like he has a case for winning. He doesn't. He lost again clearly.

The 3rd time with his Tag Team partner Father Time, Canelo finally got a legitimate W.

I can see this is gonna be a subject you consistently come back to for a long time

Yup, bc it was somehow an injustice for GGG just bc he was an foreign fighter from an unknown country and he was somehow screwed from his mandatory challenger rights to get the opportunity at that time to fight for super WBA title against Sturm or whoever else and then with Cotto or whoever else for the WBC mw title.

Canelo also is not American

They had a lot of gall to rob Golovkin that 1st time especially.

[apollo creed]

suppose it's not too easy to hang em' up while u still get paid 50 mil. per fight 3 times a year.

Thats very true. Canelo is still the king of big paydays in boxing, so he is milking the game as much as he can. Why retire when you make lots of M's?

[apollo creed]

He won the first 2 fights.

The 1st fight is absolutely undeniable.

The 2nd fight, because Canelo did better in some parts people wanna pretend like he has a case for winning. He doesn't. He lost again clearly.

The 3rd time with his Tag Team partner Father Time, Canelo finally got a legitimate W.

I can see this is gonna be a subject you consistently come back to for a long time

Yup, bc it was somehow an injustice for GGG just bc he was an foreign fighter from an unknown country and he was somehow screwed from his mandatory challenger rights to get the opportunity at that time to fight for super WBA title against Sturm or whoever else and then with Cotto or whoever else for the WBC mw title.

Canelo also is not American

They had a lot of gall to rob Golovkin that 1st time especially.

Yup, GGG had lots of roadblock during his career but I'm glad that he at least got those big paydays.

GGG should've been the super WBA world mw champion in 2012 and the WBC world mw champion in 2015.

[BroughtonRulesRefuge]

- Yo, I may not be able to fix stupid, so lets have some fun and compare undefeated 21 yr old Canelo, 5-0, 3KO in WBC superwelter title fights where he rehydrates to around 175 lbs then. Included in the victims, Magic Hatton whom he stole from TBE TUE, HOFer Shane Mosely and former Champ Kermit Cintron,

Now compare to 21 yr old Gennedy whom I exalt as one of the finest Middleweights ever competitive with the best.

Hmmm, regional gold medalist with a 5-0, 2 KO record for the tourney.

2003 Middleweight Gold Medalist at the World Championships in Bangkok, Thailand. Results were:
Defeated Matvey Korobov (Russia) PTS (19-10)
Defeated Andy Lee (Ireland) PTS (29-9)
Defeated Lucian Bute (Romania) KO 4
Defeated Yordanis Despaigne (Cuba) PTS (29-26)
Defeated Oleg Mashkin (Ukraine) RSCI-2

Canelo fought Gennedy 3x, exactly 3x more than any other fighter, and any accusation of Canelo ducking is just stupid stuff I can't fix since Gennedy generated some of the delays.

Ofhand seems the OP and a few willing moldable soft clay fans can't properly follow a timeline that boxrec provides.

How about when 15 yr old Canelo was turning pro? Pray tell us all ye Gennedy 'spurts what he was doing age 15 when Canelo was fighting growed men?

Nope!

GGG was mandatory challenger for Cotto's wbc mw lineal title and because of politics and business, wbc agreed (of course lol) that Cotto to defend his mw wbc title against Canelo at 155 c/w lol but then the winner had to fight the mandatory challenger i.e Golovkin. After Canelo won that mw title form Cotto then Canelo fought chiny-washed up welter Khan, Liam Beefy Smith and washed up JCCjr and then he vacated that mw wbc title and he threw out some excuses.
GGG should've fought Cotto at that time and if Cotto didn't want then he should've got stripped of that title but wbc granted Cotto to fight Canelo at 155 c/w for that wbc mw title.

“If the WBC is the one to determine who they think I should face then I’ll simply save myself the 3% and just fight and do what I want,” Cotto said to spam. “I will do what I have to do to benefit my career and my family.”

Source: Cotto Hints He’ll Vacate Title If WBC Forces Golovkin Fight - Boxing News 24 (https://www.boxingnews24.com/2015/06/co ... kin-fight/)

"The WBC has received official confirmation from Golden Boy Promotions of Saul 'Canelo' Alvarez's decision to vacate the WBC middleweight championship," Sulaiman said. "Gennady Golovkin is hereby recognized as the undisputed WBC middleweight champion of the world. The WBC wishes Canelo Alvarez great success in his career and will certainly look forward to seeing Golovkin vs. Alvarez materialize in the future."

They first fought in 2017 when Canelo was 27 y/o (prime) and Golovkin was 35 y/o (out of his prime) and s G still beat him.

Then Canelo got caught pissing hot with clenbuterol

In the rematch G was even older but he still gave a good-close fight to Canelo.

Also GGG was the mandatory challenger for Sturm many years but he avoided him like plague. Even Geale vacated his wba mw title to not fight GGG.

Bottom line is GGG was so damn avoided and he had to fight all top ranked contenders to get as a No 1 mandatory challenger for WBA and WBC titles to get some good fights and when G was 34-35 y/o , G finally got some good fights bc he was old and not so dangerous.

- Ropa doped by your infantile self created timeline so badly that you have to drag Cotto into it is now?

In jail they call that suicide, but here on boxrec more like you in dog paddling in a puddle of your own cruel drool. I exalt the all time career of Golovkin, while you bring up some micky mouse website to sharpen that point on your noggin.

Cotto, Canelo, and Khan were bigger money fights that could be signed easily, however, don't know what grade you was in then, but Canelo was in a major dispute with WBC trying to mandate his purses as well as with Oscar as well as with his former Mexican promoter who was Sueing Canelo for damages when age 18 he signed with Oscar. He lost that lawsuit and had to pay 5-6 mil settlement. None of this has anything to do with Golovkin other than he got to fight for Canelo's abandoned belt that had nothing to due with ducking Golovkin.

The Liam fight was for his super welter WBO belt that Canelo wanted for extra leverage in securing his TUE 50-0 record setting rematch, again, $$$$$ talks then and now while you bullshyte. When TUE refused the rematch, Canelo fought former WBC Middle champ Chavez Jr who wrecked the career of Sergio Martinez. It was at a 164lb catchweight, that was a huge Mexican grudge match that had been talked about for several years as JCC Sr handed over the Mexican torch to Canelo. PPV numbers were huge.

Then he fought Golovkin at a perfect time for that bout to a draw that brought tears to Golovkin fans because the kid handled him. That's where Golovkin and his manager Loeffler made their first major mistake lobbying to have the Vegas Commish, you know, the guys who had to adulterate the official scorecards and give TUE 50-0 a two week backdated TUE to make his Manny superfight result official? Yeah, them the good fellas who suspended Canelo for 6 months in spite of Canelo NEVER FAILING a Drug test much less the VADA test. He had a couple of positive ghost nanograms well below the FAIL cutoff in the middle of drug testing consistent with local Mexican Beef contamination that he has eaten the whole of his life like most Mexicans and tourists who flock for El Grande Mexican cuisine that ranks with any country in the world for popularity. After that, he changed his training camp regime to chicken and fish though fish are the most contaminated food source in the world because of polluted oceans and waterways.

Not for you though you could maybe buy an IQ before you make more infantile comparisons that make Golovkin look bad. He's never been the same fighter after Canelo beat him up in the rematch, but he's hung on and made his money and a dead lock for the HOF with all the bad blood between he and Canelo relegated to the dustbins of time. YUP

[apollo creed]

- Yo, I may not be able to fix stupid, so lets have some fun and compare undefeated 21 yr old Canelo, 5-0, 3KO in WBC superwelter title fights where he rehydrates to around 175 lbs then. Included in the victims, Magic Hatton whom he stole from TBE TUE, HOFer Shane Mosely and former Champ Kermit Cintron,

Now compare to 21 yr old Gennedy whom I exalt as one of the finest Middleweights ever competitive with the best.

Hmmm, regional gold medalist with a 5-0, 2 KO record for the tourney.

2003 Middleweight Gold Medalist at the World Championships in Bangkok, Thailand. Results were:
Defeated Matvey Korobov (Russia) PTS (19-10)
Defeated Andy Lee (Ireland) PTS (29-9)
Defeated Lucian Bute (Romania) KO 4
Defeated Yordanis Despaigne (Cuba) PTS (29-26)
Defeated Oleg Mashkin (Ukraine) RSCI-2

Canelo fought Gennedy 3x, exactly 3x more than any other fighter, and any accusation of Canelo ducking is just stupid stuff I can't fix since Gennedy generated some of the delays.

Ofhand seems the OP and a few willing moldable soft clay fans can't properly follow a timeline that boxrec provides.

How about when 15 yr old Canelo was turning pro? Pray tell us all ye Gennedy 'spurts what he was doing age 15 when Canelo was fighting growed men?

Nope!

GGG was mandatory challenger for Cotto's wbc mw lineal title and because of politics and business, wbc agreed (of course lol) that Cotto to defend his mw wbc title against Canelo at 155 c/w lol but then the winner had to fight the mandatory challenger i.e Golovkin. After Canelo won that mw title form Cotto then Canelo fought chiny-washed up welter Khan, Liam Beefy Smith and washed up JCCjr and then he vacated that mw wbc title and he threw out some excuses.
GGG should've fought Cotto at that time and if Cotto didn't want then he should've got stripped of that title but wbc granted Cotto to fight Canelo at 155 c/w for that wbc mw title.

“If the WBC is the one to determine who they think I should face then I’ll simply save myself the 3% and just fight and do what I want,” Cotto said to spam. “I will do what I have to do to benefit my career and my family.”

Source: Cotto Hints He’ll Vacate Title If WBC Forces Golovkin Fight - Boxing News 24 (https://www.boxingnews24.com/2015/06/co ... kin-fight/)

"The WBC has received official confirmation from Golden Boy Promotions of Saul 'Canelo' Alvarez's decision to vacate the WBC middleweight championship," Sulaiman said. "Gennady Golovkin is hereby recognized as the undisputed WBC middleweight champion of the world. The WBC wishes Canelo Alvarez great success in his career and will certainly look forward to seeing Golovkin vs. Alvarez materialize in the future."

They first fought in 2017 when Canelo was 27 y/o (prime) and Golovkin was 35 y/o (out of his prime) and s G still beat him.

Then Canelo got caught pissing hot with clenbuterol

In the rematch G was even older but he still gave a good-close fight to Canelo.

Also GGG was the mandatory challenger for Sturm many years but he avoided him like plague. Even Geale vacated his wba mw title to not fight GGG.

Bottom line is GGG was so damn avoided and he had to fight all top ranked contenders to get as a No 1 mandatory challenger for WBA and WBC titles to get some good fights and when G was 34-35 y/o , G finally got some good fights bc he was old and not so dangerous.

- Ropa doped by your infantile self created timeline so badly that you have to drag Cotto into it is now?

In jail they call that suicide, but here on boxrec more like you in dog paddling in a puddle of your own cruel drool. I exalt the all time career of Golovkin, while you bring up some micky mouse website to sharpen that point on your noggin.

Cotto, Canelo, and Khan were bigger money fights that could be signed easily, however, don't know what grade you was in then, but Canelo was in a major dispute with WBC trying to mandate his purses as well as with Oscar as well as with his former Mexican promoter who was Sueing Canelo for damages when age 18 he signed with Oscar. He lost that lawsuit and had to pay 5-6 mil settlement. None of this has anything to do with Golovkin other than he got to fight for Canelo's abandoned belt that had nothing to due with ducking Golovkin.

The Liam fight was for his super welter WBO belt that Canelo wanted for extra leverage in securing his TUE 50-0 record setting rematch, again, $$$$$ talks then and now while you bullshyte. When TUE refused the rematch, Canelo fought former WBC Middle champ Chavez Jr who wrecked the career of Sergio Martinez. It was at a 164lb catchweight, that was a huge Mexican grudge match that had been talked about for several years as JCC Sr handed over the Mexican torch to Canelo. PPV numbers were huge.

Then he fought Golovkin at a perfect time for that bout to a draw that brought tears to Golovkin fans because the kid handled him. That's where Golovkin and his manager Loeffler made their first major mistake lobbying to have the Vegas Commish, you know, the guys who had to adulterate the official scorecards and give TUE 50-0 a two week backdated TUE to make his Manny superfight result official? Yeah, them the good fellas who suspended Canelo for 6 months in spite of Canelo NEVER FAILING a Drug test much less the VADA test. He had a couple of positive ghost nanograms well below the FAIL cutoff in the middle of drug testing consistent with local Mexican Beef contamination that he has eaten the whole of his life like most Mexicans and tourists who flock for El Grande Mexican cuisine that ranks with any country in the world for popularity. After that, he changed his training camp regime to chicken and fish though fish are the most contaminated food source in the world because of polluted oceans and waterways.

Not for you though you could maybe buy an IQ before you make more infantile comparisons that make Golovkin look bad. He's never been the same fighter after Canelo beat him up in the rematch, but he's hung on and made his money and a dead lock for the HOF with all the bad blood between he and Canelo relegated to the dustbins of time. YUP

EO is that you , son ?! glad you are ok and that you have access to the internet!

Bottom line is GGG was ducked like plague and 27y/o Canelo could not beat a 35 y/o grandpa GGG and yeah Canelo got caught pissing hot. FACTS!

[adislav123]

stopped to read at 'in prison they call that suicide...". guess saved me some braincells.

fact is golovkin beat canelo in both of their first two fights. back 2 back.

[apollo creed]

stopped to read at 'in prison they call that suicide...". guess saved me some braincells.

fact is golovkin beat canelo in both of their first two fights. back 2 back.

yup, and GGG was 35+ y/o !

its pretty obvious why Cotto and Canelo avoided G when G was their mandatory challenger for that wbc 155 lbs title.

BroughtonRulesRefuge must be one of EO's multiple clones since he's reiterating the same ol' bs of EO.