Zhilei Zhang vs. Joe Joyce II | TNT Sport - 23 September 2023

Who wins the rematch?

Poll ended at 23 Sep 2023, 16:09

Zhang - Decision
8
8%
Zhang - T/KO
48
46%
DRAW
0
No votes
Joyce - T/KO
24
23%
Joyce - Decision
24
23%
 
Total votes: 104

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dr_devious wrote: 14 May 2023, 17:54 Why is a re-match warranted in either this or Eubank-Smith? Both first fights were one sided.
In Eubank Smith the tide was turning by round 4 and Eubank was taking control, then got stopped for the first time in his career. Some say it was the weight yo-yoing, but whatever, I think he needs a second shot. Plus it was an exciting fan friendly fight. I really enjoyed it, so I don't mind another go just from that aspect.
As for Joyce Zhang, well the Heavyweight division is so boring right now, any well matched fight by some of the top players is a bloody godsend!!
What else are we waiting for?
Fury Chisora 4?
Uysk DDD?
Wilder vs another can?
Nope- this is the best matchup that is actually happening in the division.
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I think you're trying to hype the fights up for yourself. Joyce Zhang isn't competitive unless Zhang comes in bad shape due to overconfidence. Eubank made so many mistakes and can't beat Liam for me. He landed a few uppercuts in round 3 but lost most of the fight.
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gregregegg wrote: 14 May 2023, 18:01
1111519 wrote: 14 May 2023, 16:37 man...I hate rematch clauses
absolutely should be banned by the ABC governing bodys.

That said, i dont completly hate this rematch, dont get me wrong, zhang won it and won it well, but cuts and eye swelling finnishes do frustrate me a little, so id like to see if joe can adapt and come back, or even if he dosent adapt at all, can his chin just hold up untill zhang gasses out and he takes over...
It doesn’t matter if his chin holds up like he did first time. Something will break if he boxes the same way.

The fact he doesn’t go down is what led to the eye damage. Those punches were going to end the fight one way or another.
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The Gratest wrote: 09 May 2023, 17:33 Big balls has Joyce. Big balls that weigh down his spine, causing him to stand directly up in a straight line with no head movement. Big balls nonetheless.
Quality hahaha
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Hope joyce makes changes and puts the ear muffs on or uses a high, tight guard, can't see it though
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TheLeprechaun wrote: 14 May 2023, 22:07 I think you're trying to hype the fights up for yourself. Joyce Zhang isn't competitive unless Zhang comes in bad shape due to overconfidence. Eubank made so many mistakes and can't beat Liam for me. He landed a few uppercuts in round 3 but lost most of the fight.
A lot of folks on the RbR had Eubank up. I had Smith taking the first, and Eubank taking the 2nd & 3rd
BS.com had it 30-27 to Eubank, so maybe we saw the fight a bit differently? :maybe:
https://www.BS.com/schedule/ev ... /scorecard
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zhang is offensively more gifted - faster hands, bigger one shot power, puts the combos together nicely- but the line between him stopping joyce and him gassing could just be a few rounds. if joyce can ride it out just a b it longer next time....coould be interesting

that said, zhang-fury might happen instead
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margaret thatcher wrote: 15 May 2023, 15:30 zhang is offensively more gifted - faster hands, bigger one shot power, puts the combos together nicely- but the line between him stopping joyce and him gassing could just be a few rounds. if joyce can ride it out just a b it longer next time....coould be interesting

that said, zhang-fury might happen instead
I'm more keen for Joyce than Fury. Just figure it will be more competitive.
If it wasn't for the eye, I think Joyce could have pulled back a points win, be nice to let him have another go at it.
Fury on the other hand, is on another level of hand speed and could make a plodder like Zhang look very ordinary.
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zhangs hands are just as fast as fury's, he's much slower footed than fury though
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margaret thatcher wrote: 15 May 2023, 17:33 zhangs hands are just as fast as fury's, he's much slower footed than fury though
Yeah.
Maybe.
Footwork definitely.
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KiwiRider wrote: 15 May 2023, 17:19
margaret thatcher wrote: 15 May 2023, 15:30 zhang is offensively more gifted - faster hands, bigger one shot power, puts the combos together nicely- but the line between him stopping joyce and him gassing could just be a few rounds. if joyce can ride it out just a b it longer next time....coould be interesting

that said, zhang-fury might happen instead
I'm more keen for Joyce than Fury. Just figure it will be more competitive.
If it wasn't for the eye, I think Joyce could have pulled back a points win, be nice to let him have another go at it.
Fury on the other hand, is on another level of hand speed and could make a plodder like Zhang look very ordinary.
Mate - saying if it wasn’t for his eye, is like saying if only he hadn’t been knocked out.

The injury didn’t come about from a clash of heads by accident. It was the result of sustained, deliberate punishment.

Most would have gone down after a few rounds, but Joyce has excellent punch resistance. Unfortunately his eye socket paid they price for that. Something was going sooner or later.

Unless Joyce changes up, same will happen again.
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KiwiRider wrote: 15 May 2023, 15:29
TheLeprechaun wrote: 14 May 2023, 22:07 I think you're trying to hype the fights up for yourself. Joyce Zhang isn't competitive unless Zhang comes in bad shape due to overconfidence. Eubank made so many mistakes and can't beat Liam for me. He landed a few uppercuts in round 3 but lost most of the fight.
A lot of folks on the RbR had Eubank up. I had Smith taking the first, and Eubank taking the 2nd & 3rd
BS.com had it 30-27 to Eubank, so maybe we saw the fight a bit differently? :maybe:
https://www.BS.com/schedule/event/chris ... /scorecard

Well I think thats poor scoring. It was only when i rewatched the fight in slow motion that I came to that conclusion though. The rounds seemed tighter in real time but when you actually slow it down and look at what was happening in their engagements, I found that Liam was countering Eubanks jab and landing his jab, was able to come over the top of Eubanks jab and land his right (thats going to be the KO this time imo) and was more from long range. When it came to in close Eubank was clinching for his life and we will see plenty of that again. I think Eubank is really up against it. He has always been trying to be elusive defensively and doing what he was doing when Liam caught him so I'm not sure he can cut that out either. It needs to be a very offensive performance for me. He is the bigger guy, needs to go in there and put Smith on the back foot. I can just see him getting caught over his jab with the timed right hand and hurt. He took a few of them in the fight.
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rewatched it in slow motion? jeezus man :lol:
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margaret thatcher wrote: 15 May 2023, 23:55 rewatched it in slow motion? jeezus man :lol:
I have to respect that. :salut:
Also I do pick up a bit from the slo-mo replays, but dammed if I have the time to watch four rounds in slo-mo
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someone may have watched a fight in slow mo, but have they watched it in slow mo 3 times? that is the real question
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I may have a slight case of autism :lol:
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TheLeprechaun wrote: 16 May 2023, 00:19 I may have a slight case of autism :lol:
Nah mate, your fine.
We are all fans to differing degrees
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TheLeprechaun wrote: 16 May 2023, 00:19 I may have a slight case of autism :lol:
Don’t we all?
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After the 1st bout, of course, Zhang gotta be a favorite, but you can't be 100% sure in an older guy with the worse stamina.
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margaret thatcher wrote: 16 May 2023, 00:13 someone may have watched a fight in slow mo, but have they watched it in slow mo 3 times? that is the real question
I like to watch Okolie fights in fast mo so they're over quicker
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Think Joyce will survive a tough first 5 rounds then take over and stop zhang. Just needs to respect zhang a power a tiny bit, and should hold and wrestle a bit early to eat into zhang a tiny stamina…,

I bet on zhang ko for the value last fight, probably gunna be Joyce ko for the value this fight….
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I think Zhang in that fight could have maintained that pace that he was setting as Joyce wasn’t tagging him back hard enough or often enough.

Will Zhang have kept himself in decent enough shape to get himself back in there able to do the same.

I’d keep his training camp simple and really focus on the left cross and the right hook, the two punches that were so effective last time out.
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Sources: Zhilei Zhang-Joe Joyce rematch set for Sept. 2 in London

Zhilei Zhang and Joe Joyce will meet in a heavyweight rematch Sept. 2 in London, sources told ESPN on Friday.

Last month, Joyce (15-1, 14 KOs) exercised his contractual right to a return bout after Zhang scored a major upset in April. Zhang (25-1-1, 20 KOs) punished Joyce, whose right eye was completely swollen shut when the fight was stopped in London on the advice of the ringside doctor in Round 6.

The 40-year-old native of China entered ESPN's heavyweight rankings at No. 7 on the heels of the victory.

"Joyce had the right to call for the rematch in either of the next two fights but has chosen to have the fight now," Joyce's manager, Adam Morallee, told ESPN last month. "I think he would have won the first fight had it continued and the eye hadn't gone.

"I think he would have swarmed him in the second half of the fight. That was always going to be a fight of two halves and unfortunately he got injured in the first half."

Joyce, 37, was in position to face Tyson Fury this summer if he had emerged with the victory. Now, the Olympic silver medalist is looking to avenge the first defeat of his pro career.

The Londoner lost his WBO interim heavyweight title in the bout, which would have guaranteed him a shot at unified champion Oleksandr Usyk. Joyce dropped to No. 9 in ESPN's latest heavyweight rankings.

Joyce owns inside-the-distance victories over former heavyweight titleholder Joseph Parker and Daniel Dubois, who will challenge Usyk for the unified championship in August.

Zhang's only pro defeat came in August when he dropped a controversial decision to Olympic bronze medalist Filip Hrgovic.

The fight will be staged by Queensberry, which promotes Fury, Joyce and Dubois along with options on Zhang for his next three bouts.
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Joyce had a rematch clause somehow?

Boy you can always tell when a Promoters best laid plans get upset because he tries to get 'em back on track any which way he can :lol:
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