Rest in peace Eric Guy

[Phenomenal-Nutrition]

I put a lot of classic British bouts along with a few US classics on the FB group Ex-Boxers. As there are a lot of ex pros on there I would post some of their fights.

I started to get reports from various sources again because of the music content on the ring walks. Most got removed and warnings given.

Waste of time trying to share footage now.

It'd be a big task but you could edit the music out of them if you wanted them to stay up. And just remove the content of anyone who makes a complaint.

[John]

I can't understand why this isn't sinking in. The promoters own the rights to their product just like musicians/film makers own the rights to their product. How could promoters sell rights to broadcasters if they didnt own them in the first place ?
Can you go into a concert and record the music and think you own the rights to it ? Can you go into a theatre and record a play and think you own the rights to it ? Can you go into a cinema and record a film and think you own the rights to it ?
It's called piracy and it has been all over the news for the last 20 years or so.
Even photographers need to be pre approved and get a press pass. When I was promoting there was a photo agency called Action Sports. They would apply in advance and we would sign a waiver which gave them the rights to take photos in exchange for us having the right (for our own use) to any photo they took.
If you are filming the fights without a pre-agreement that is piracy and in the ultimate extreme you could be prosecuted civilly and criminally.

[Frostieballs]

I can't understand why this isn't sinking in. The promoters own the rights to their product just like musicians/film makers own the rights to their product. How could promoters sell rights to broadcasters if they didnt own them in the first place ?
Can you go into a concert and record the music and think you own the rights to it ? Can you go into a theatre and record a play and think you own the rights to it ? Can you go into a cinema and record a film and think you own the rights to it ?
It's called piracy and it has been all over the news for the last 20 years or so.
Even photographers need to be pre approved and get a press pass. When I was promoting there was a photo agency called Action Sports. They would apply in advance and we would sign a waiver which gave them the rights to take photos in exchange for us having the right (for our own use) to any photo they took.
If you are filming the fights without a pre-agreement that is piracy and in the ultimate extreme you could be prosecuted civilly and criminally.

Yep. John - unsurprisingly given all of his experience - summed it up perfectly in this and his previous post.

With Eric, there was a long term understanding and promoters essentially turned a blind eye in return for copies of videos. They would do this as the broadcaster never films the whole show/undercard fighters.

Of course, had Eric wanted to upload his videos he could have sought permission from the promoter (and the broadcaster they were tied to) but its pretty unlikely.

The best chance Eric had was using his amateur/small hall footage where there was no broadcaster and everything was a bit more relaxed. He even referenced this himself a few times on here. He had footage of a number of 'prospects' making their debuts who then went on to become champs (that no-one else filmed). He also had some amateur or early Naz footage.

[MasterG]

I can't understand why this isn't sinking in. The promoters own the rights to their product just like musicians/film makers own the rights to their product. How could promoters sell rights to broadcasters if they didnt own them in the first place ?
Can you go into a concert and record the music and think you own the rights to it ? Can you go into a theatre and record a play and think you own the rights to it ? Can you go into a cinema and record a film and think you own the rights to it ?
It's called piracy and it has been all over the news for the last 20 years or so.
Even photographers need to be pre approved and get a press pass. When I was promoting there was a photo agency called Action Sports. They would apply in advance and we would sign a waiver which gave them the rights to take photos in exchange for us having the right (for our own use) to any photo they took.
If you are filming the fights without a pre-agreement that is piracy and in the ultimate extreme you could be prosecuted civilly and criminally.

I totally agree John. Every time I put of a show I would always put in the description that I do not own the content but for fair honest viewing and not making any money what so ever I was using it for educational purposes. Some of my content was reported but the owner allowed it to stay up as they were making money from the content on advertising

[stujones]

I can't understand why this isn't sinking in. The promoters own the rights to their product just like musicians/film makers own the rights to their product. How could promoters sell rights to broadcasters if they didnt own them in the first place ?
Can you go into a concert and record the music and think you own the rights to it ? Can you go into a theatre and record a play and think you own the rights to it ? Can you go into a cinema and record a film and think you own the rights to it ?
It's called piracy and it has been all over the news for the last 20 years or so.
Even photographers need to be pre approved and get a press pass. When I was promoting there was a photo agency called Action Sports. They would apply in advance and we would sign a waiver which gave them the rights to take photos in exchange for us having the right (for our own use) to any photo they took.
If you are filming the fights without a pre-agreement that is piracy and in the ultimate extreme you could be prosecuted civilly and criminally.

Yep. John - unsurprisingly given all of his experience - summed it up perfectly in this and his previous post.

With Eric, there was a long term understanding and promoters essentially turned a blind eye in return for copies of videos. They would do this as the broadcaster never films the whole show/undercard fighters.

Of course, had Eric wanted to upload his videos he could have sought permission from the promoter (and the broadcaster they were tied to) but its pretty unlikely.

The best chance Eric had was using his amateur/small hall footage where there was no broadcaster and everything was a bit more relaxed. He even referenced this himself a few times on here. He had footage of a number of 'prospects' making their debuts who then went on to become champs (that no-one else filmed). He also had some amateur or early Naz footage.

I think though with Eric would claim on here a bit more than that. He would at times, perhaps as a wind up, try to state that people couldn't trade DVDs - not because of the promoter but because he had an exclusive rights deal with the BBBoC - even for TV shows (not even using his camera, I don't think) and for BBBoC fights he couldn't attend.

Will be honest part of the reason I sought permission from Paul Boyce to film the Scott Gammer fights was because of this "exclusive deal with the BBBoC" for non televised shows that Eric used to mention - I also thought it was the correct thing to do. Shame my video skills was so crap.

[stujones]

I think Eric would be loving that a tribute thread about him is discussing copyright laws - it was certainly a topic he loved to contribute on.

[Frostieballs]

I can't understand why this isn't sinking in. The promoters own the rights to their product just like musicians/film makers own the rights to their product. How could promoters sell rights to broadcasters if they didnt own them in the first place ?
Can you go into a concert and record the music and think you own the rights to it ? Can you go into a theatre and record a play and think you own the rights to it ? Can you go into a cinema and record a film and think you own the rights to it ?
It's called piracy and it has been all over the news for the last 20 years or so.
Even photographers need to be pre approved and get a press pass. When I was promoting there was a photo agency called Action Sports. They would apply in advance and we would sign a waiver which gave them the rights to take photos in exchange for us having the right (for our own use) to any photo they took.
If you are filming the fights without a pre-agreement that is piracy and in the ultimate extreme you could be prosecuted civilly and criminally.

Yep. John - unsurprisingly given all of his experience - summed it up perfectly in this and his previous post.

With Eric, there was a long term understanding and promoters essentially turned a blind eye in return for copies of videos. They would do this as the broadcaster never films the whole show/undercard fighters.

Of course, had Eric wanted to upload his videos he could have sought permission from the promoter (and the broadcaster they were tied to) but its pretty unlikely.

The best chance Eric had was using his amateur/small hall footage where there was no broadcaster and everything was a bit more relaxed. He even referenced this himself a few times on here. He had footage of a number of 'prospects' making their debuts who then went on to become champs (that no-one else filmed). He also had some amateur or early Naz footage.

I think though with Eric would claim on here a bit more than that. He would at times, perhaps as a wind up, try to state that people couldn't trade DVDs - not because of the promoter but because he had an exclusive rights deal with the BBBoC - even for TV shows (not even using his camera, I don't think) and for BBBoC fights he couldn't attend.

Will be honest part of the reason I sought permission from Paul Boyce to film the Scott Gammer fights was because of this "exclusive deal with the BBBoC" for non televised shows that Eric used to mention - I also thought it was the correct thing to do. Shame my video skills was so crap.

As far as I recall, the BBBoC thing related more to the fact that they were comfortable with him being around backstage/ringside at shows.

[MasterG]

Anyone here attending?

7th June 2pm service, to arrive by 1:45pm
GreenAcres Kemnal Park Cemetery & Ceremonial Park
A20 Sidcup By-Pass, Chislehurst BR7 6RR

[Gnome]

A good article on Eric in this weeks Boxing News.

Yes, read it too. Nice to see.

[Phenomenal-Nutrition]

Just came across this. Great guy, pun unintended

[Glass Joe]

shame eric would have been a good boxing life stories guest.

[Boxerbeetle]

Just came across this. Great guy, pun unintended

Is that the same KOTV which used to randomly be on tv at like 4am?

[steve689]

Just came across this. Great guy, pun unintended

Is that the same KOTV which used to randomly be on tv at like 4am?

Current BN editor Matt Christie used to work for them I believe.

[rhino222]

Eric's work was generally before the digital era. Eric's work was primarily on VHS tapes and provided instant films of themselves for up and coming pros and amateurs alike. £10 a throw.

There was no mobile phone videos back in those days. If there had of been any then Eric would not have been able to make a living as any amateur would just have got a family member to phone video it.

Eric was around the boxing scene just at the right time for his own little business.

RIP Eric Guy