Anthony Joshua vs. Dillian Whyte II | DAZN PPV - OFF

Who wins?

Poll ended at 13 Aug 2023, 03:33

Joshua - Decision
2
5%
Joshua - T/KO
28
68%
DRAW
0
No votes
Whyte - T/KO
9
22%
Whyte - Decision
2
5%
 
Total votes: 41

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CaptainSpacerod wrote: 05 Jun 2023, 11:30 Nobody other than Eddie Hearn and Dillian Whyte’s bank manager is interested in AJ v Whyte
I will watch it happily :yay:

And common sense comes into play here - if he is fighting wilder in saudi later this year then why take anything more risky .
Whyte will have a go for sure but realistically I dont see him hurting joshua this time around .
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I quite like the fight. Whyte will go for it and I think that’s what AJ needs.

It’s one where if it was AJ’s December fight then I wouldn’t be too happy but it’s fine for a fight if he’s fighting 3 times this year.
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this is a good British heavyweight fight. I happily watched Sprott Williams Skelton fight each other loads of times, so i have no problem with this
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maverick23 wrote: 05 Jun 2023, 14:46 I quite like the fight. Whyte will go for it and I think that’s what AJ needs.

It’s one where if it was AJ’s December fight then I wouldn’t be too happy but it’s fine for a fight if he’s fighting 3 times this year.
Will he go for it? He’s looked incapable of it for a while.
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CaptainSpacerod wrote: 05 Jun 2023, 11:30 Nobody other than Eddie Hearn and Dillian Whyte’s bank manager is interested in AJ v Whyte
Whyte has been on the slide since Povetkin beat him. Yes, he avenge that loss but Fury humiliated him and Franklin made him look ordinary as well.
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maverick23 wrote: 05 Jun 2023, 14:46 I quite like the fight. Whyte will go for it and I think that’s what AJ needs.

It’s one where if it was AJ’s December fight then I wouldn’t be too happy but it’s fine for a fight if he’s fighting 3 times this year.
McGirt is trying to tech Whyte how to box. We saw that against Franklin.
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mickey1975 wrote: 05 Jun 2023, 16:05
maverick23 wrote: 05 Jun 2023, 14:46 I quite like the fight. Whyte will go for it and I think that’s what AJ needs.

It’s one where if it was AJ’s December fight then I wouldn’t be too happy but it’s fine for a fight if he’s fighting 3 times this year.
Will he go for it? He’s looked incapable of it for a while.
Yeah - I think Whyte will. I can’t see him trying to outbox AJ.

Whyte went for it in both Povetkin fights whilst I think Fury beat him mentally pre fight. Against Franklin he was passive but seemed to go for it in the final few rounds. I can’t see Whyte waiting to pull the trigger here.
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maverick23 wrote: 05 Jun 2023, 16:41
mickey1975 wrote: 05 Jun 2023, 16:05
maverick23 wrote: 05 Jun 2023, 14:46 I quite like the fight. Whyte will go for it and I think that’s what AJ needs.

It’s one where if it was AJ’s December fight then I wouldn’t be too happy but it’s fine for a fight if he’s fighting 3 times this year.
Will he go for it? He’s looked incapable of it for a while.
Yeah - I think Whyte will. I can’t see him trying to outbox AJ.

Whyte went for it in both Povetkin fights whilst I think Fury beat him mentally pre fight. Against Franklin he was passive but seemed to go for it in the final few rounds. I can’t see Whyte waiting to pull the trigger here.
You can only go for it in a fight if the fella is there, he couldn't Fury with a fistful of salt
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I’ll defo watch this. It could be really competitive if AJ has regressed as much as many feel.
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Frostieballs wrote: 05 Jun 2023, 17:32 I’ll defo watch this. It could be really competitive if AJ has regressed as much as many feel.
It would be interesting, but of course it depends how much Whyte has gone back too
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Coco wrote: 05 Jun 2023, 17:33
Frostieballs wrote: 05 Jun 2023, 17:32 I’ll defo watch this. It could be really competitive if AJ has regressed as much as many feel.
It would be interesting, but of course it depends how much Whyte has gone back too
True that mate.
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Frostieballs wrote: 05 Jun 2023, 17:36
Coco wrote: 05 Jun 2023, 17:33
Frostieballs wrote: 05 Jun 2023, 17:32 I’ll defo watch this. It could be really competitive if AJ has regressed as much as many feel.
It would be interesting, but of course it depends how much Whyte has gone back too
True that mate.
If he hasn't forgotten to throw an uppercut, I would still fancy AJ, but outside of the big fights and the low profile fighters, it's def one of the better ones out there.
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It will be interesting to see how McGirt prepares Whyte for this one and what his instructions will be.

I think if Whyte allows Joshua to settle into the fight it will only go one way - Joshua's. Whyte doesn't need to come out swinging from the fences but he does need to assert himself, dictate things early and force Joshua to further doubt himself. Whyte did give Joshua some early grief when they fought in 2015 but they have both gone backwards since then.

If Whyte happens to win it is virtually over for Joshua. The Saudis have already said if any of the 4 they are planning on hosting in December lose before-hand they won't be considered for December.
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Give ma a good brawler , i would try to teach better punching technique and footwork to enhance him , woul,net bother trying to get him to box technicly you would be taking away his natural attributes , Whtye is and never was gonna be a Ali ,, too many trainers try to teach how they WERE
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Redback Rasta wrote: 05 Jun 2023, 19:16 It will be interesting to see how McGirt prepares Whyte for this one and what his instructions will be.

I think if Whyte allows Joshua to settle into the fight it will only go one way - Joshua's. Whyte doesn't need to come out swinging from the fences but he does need to assert himself, dictate things early and force Joshua to further doubt himself. Whyte did give Joshua some early grief when they fought in 2015 but they have both gone backwards since then.

If Whyte happens to win it is virtually over for Joshua. The Saudis have already said if any of the 4 they are planning on hosting in December lose before-hand they won't be considered for December.
I don't think you can teach someone as limited as Whyte a whole lot at his age. At best and it's a stretch I'd work on him moving his head, not coming in straight lines with his chin up and to double jab with a hook off the jab. Learning those alone and implementing them in the ring would be unlikely at his age.
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maverick23 wrote: 05 Jun 2023, 16:41
mickey1975 wrote: 05 Jun 2023, 16:05
maverick23 wrote: 05 Jun 2023, 14:46 I quite like the fight. Whyte will go for it and I think that’s what AJ needs.

It’s one where if it was AJ’s December fight then I wouldn’t be too happy but it’s fine for a fight if he’s fighting 3 times this year.
Will he go for it? He’s looked incapable of it for a while.
Yeah - I think Whyte will. I can’t see him trying to outbox AJ.

Whyte went for it in both Povetkin fights whilst I think Fury beat him mentally pre fight. Against Franklin he was passive but seemed to go for it in the final few rounds. I can’t see Whyte waiting to pull the trigger here.
He didn’t show his face pre fight!
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Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote: 06 Jun 2023, 01:20
Redback Rasta wrote: 05 Jun 2023, 19:16 It will be interesting to see how McGirt prepares Whyte for this one and what his instructions will be.

I think if Whyte allows Joshua to settle into the fight it will only go one way - Joshua's. Whyte doesn't need to come out swinging from the fences but he does need to assert himself, dictate things early and force Joshua to further doubt himself. Whyte did give Joshua some early grief when they fought in 2015 but they have both gone backwards since then.

If Whyte happens to win it is virtually over for Joshua. The Saudis have already said if any of the 4 they are planning on hosting in December lose before-hand they won't be considered for December.
I don't think you can teach someone as limited as Whyte a whole lot at his age. At best and it's a stretch I'd work on him moving his head, not coming in straight lines with his chin up and to double jab with a hook off the jab. Learning those alone and implementing them in the ring would be unlikely at his age.
I agree, and Whyte at times looked like a fish out of water trying to implement McGirt's changes against Franklin.
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mickey1975 wrote: 06 Jun 2023, 01:51
maverick23 wrote: 05 Jun 2023, 16:41
mickey1975 wrote: 05 Jun 2023, 16:05
Will he go for it? He’s looked incapable of it for a while.
Yeah - I think Whyte will. I can’t see him trying to outbox AJ.

Whyte went for it in both Povetkin fights whilst I think Fury beat him mentally pre fight. Against Franklin he was passive but seemed to go for it in the final few rounds. I can’t see Whyte waiting to pull the trigger here.
He didn’t show his face pre fight!
Which I thought was a good move at the time but then Tyson got him being all pally pally in the couple of days before the fight.
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Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote: 06 Jun 2023, 01:20
Redback Rasta wrote: 05 Jun 2023, 19:16 It will be interesting to see how McGirt prepares Whyte for this one and what his instructions will be.

I think if Whyte allows Joshua to settle into the fight it will only go one way - Joshua's. Whyte doesn't need to come out swinging from the fences but he does need to assert himself, dictate things early and force Joshua to further doubt himself. Whyte did give Joshua some early grief when they fought in 2015 but they have both gone backwards since then.

If Whyte happens to win it is virtually over for Joshua. The Saudis have already said if any of the 4 they are planning on hosting in December lose before-hand they won't be considered for December.
I don't think you can teach someone as limited as Whyte a whole lot at his age. At best and it's a stretch I'd work on him moving his head, not coming in straight lines with his chin up and to double jab with a hook off the jab. Learning those alone and implementing them in the ring would be unlikely at his age.
I completely agree, too many ingrained habits by this stage.

If I were a trainer, I'd be looking to exploit some of Joshua's bad habits (as per Steward with McCall in the Lewis fight).

Whyte has always been bang average, he's just a big lump with a dig - not a lot else - the fact he was even a contender in the current division, is because the division is filled with big lumps who aren't in particularly good shape, and who can't really fight at any kind of pace in the main.

Joshua has better fundamentals than Whyte, and I expect that should be enough to carry him through the rematch - Whyte doesn't look to have much ambition left, and looks increasingly fragile too, and his stamina doesn't seem up to much either - I expect this will be his cash out fight now.

The current heavyweight division is extremely depressing, so few fighters under 30 in the top 50, the same fighters at the top getting the opportunities over and over.
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Whyte needs to carry is back hand underneath his chin
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Coco wrote: 07 Jun 2023, 19:43 Whyte needs to carry is back hand underneath his chin
Seriously.
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Whyte is a sucker for an uppercut.
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Redback Rasta wrote: 07 Jun 2023, 23:55 Whyte is a sucker for an uppercut.
And a good push
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oogiebe wrote: 07 Jun 2023, 23:50
Coco wrote: 07 Jun 2023, 19:43 Whyte needs to carry is back hand underneath his chin
Seriously.
Cosidering Upercuts tend to find him so easily , its probably not a bad idea . :lol: :lol:
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He should incorporate the Dod Foreman cross armed defence.
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