I think he was. Sugar Ray Leonard completely and totally beat him and humiliated him in their 2nd fight. The first one was insignificant, as Duran psychologically drew him into a slugging match by insulting him. Hearns knocked him out quite fairly in the 2nd round.
I don't think his style, or rather lack of style, was so good. So what, he could punch hard and fast. So what, he could keep up a sustained offense. He won because he could keep on punching. You might say, "but so did Rocky Marciano and many others". Yes, but Marciano and the others were very tough and had what many people call HEART. Duran had none, as is proven in the Leonard-v-Duran 2 fight. And NO, it was NOT a fix, he QUIT.
He was too stupid and too much of a knucklehead macho-man to be in on a fix.
He was a bastard too(anyone who disagrees must REALLY like him). He constantly insulted Ken Buchanan in the fight. Waving his hand at him insultingly, sometimes pushing him, hitting after the bell.
I swear if you rang a bell in front of Duran he'd probably instinctively knock you out.
At the end of the finishing round of the Buchanan fight, he hit him in the groin(after the bell, of course). Buchanan grabbed his balls in apparent agony and had to quit.
The ref commented after the fight that it's impossible to hurt with a low blow because of the protector.
After studying the fight a few times, I noticed SEVERAL low blows in EVERY round. Maybe I'm trying a bit too hard to get at the bastard, but it could be possible that he displaced the protector and maybe the edge of it and his thigh sandwiched his balls(in which case a low blow would be far worse than if the protector was off).
In conclusion, I think he was overrated. I may be very opinionated, but he was a disgrace to what is the NOBLE ART.
"Prince" Naseem used to be my least favourite, but Naseem wasn't as much of an asshole and most boxing-fans disliked him.
Was Duran overrated?
VADE RETRO SATAN!!!!, NAME NOT THE NAME!!!Leave this body at once!!!!
Am I the only one who is experiencing a sudden need to go out on a rampage of bizarre and random trollage at the sight of posts as distasteful as this one?
Has Boxrec been infiltrated by a Cult of misinformed fanatics, a gang of infidels who dare to use the word "bastard" in referrence to the great Manos de Piedra
I only hope these cultees make like the followers of the late Reverend Jim Jones and guzzle their Koolaid soon, because they are using up valuable oxygen and Boxrec space.
Am I the only one who is experiencing a sudden need to go out on a rampage of bizarre and random trollage at the sight of posts as distasteful as this one?
Has Boxrec been infiltrated by a Cult of misinformed fanatics, a gang of infidels who dare to use the word "bastard" in referrence to the great Manos de Piedra
I only hope these cultees make like the followers of the late Reverend Jim Jones and guzzle their Koolaid soon, because they are using up valuable oxygen and Boxrec space.
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SugarRoyRobinson
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Broncano, Jesus don't do that, you had me fooled for a few minutes!
Terap, I can tell you watched the Buchanan fight yourself, as you used the word creampuff("he's in with no creampuff"). But he didn't run for his life from the bastard, he embarrassed him, windmilled with the right and hit with the left, stuck his chin out(and Duran DID try and hit it hard) and Duran, like the bully that he is, QUIT.
Leonard is not credited with a knockout in his second bout(not a fight, your right). You seem to like Duran, but do YOU think he was not a bastard? Maybe you don't like him because of his bullying behaviour in the second fight. Well, he was overly nice in the first(he even put his hand on Duran's shoulder, despite the abuse) so he HAD to stand up for himself and retaliate in kind.
I think Leonard wasn't that bad, I saw his fight with Benitez(who WAS very good) and he was a good pure boxer. He had one of the best jabs and was very skillful.
He caught Benitez with a jab on the side of his jaw which was very similar to what Jack Dempsey called a "left jolt" and knocked him down briefly.
Maybe he was as corrupt as you say, maybe he wasn't. Perhaps in the Benitez fight, he was, as Benitez was less aggressive than his fights with Hope and Shields, threw little punches.
But if Leonard was so corrupt, how CAN you say that Duran was a "supreme showman", totally clean legitimately(he wasn't verbally) and deserved of the 9th best fighter of all time.
Honestly, NO BOXER I know respected Duran. Maybe they respected his fighting skill, but they disrespected him.
As I've said, fight-wise, he was like Marciano. He had little boxing skill, but huge fighting ability(and right hand), and was tough enough to simply wade in and club like a lumberjack hits a tree. And he had little regard for the rules, to say the least.
But non-fightwise, he was totally different. You may see him hitting low and after the bell, but you don't see Marciano insulting fighters and taunting them and making insulting jestures with his hands. Marciano always congradulated fighters on their skill.
And Duran had about ONE TENTH of Marciano's "heart" so to say. When Marciano got clearly outboxed, he always kept going to win. He would NEVER quit.
And Marciano was WAY tougher. He wouldn't get KOd by Hearns in the 2nd round, or by Jesus in the first round.
And Marciano's opponent's were probably all better than Hearns, Jesus, Fernandez etc.
You may be about to mock me about my high regard for a fighter's attitude, but in my opinion, the more a person acts like someone like Duran, the weaker he is. And before you say "Muhammed Ali", I'd like to say Muhammed Ali did NOT do the extremes Duran did.
Your comment, "if nothing significant had happened", maybe no significant fighting, but it was significant that Duran quit, he was humiliated.
"Duran was a great fighter", maybe true but he was not a good boxer at all.
Terap, I can tell you watched the Buchanan fight yourself, as you used the word creampuff("he's in with no creampuff"). But he didn't run for his life from the bastard, he embarrassed him, windmilled with the right and hit with the left, stuck his chin out(and Duran DID try and hit it hard) and Duran, like the bully that he is, QUIT.
Leonard is not credited with a knockout in his second bout(not a fight, your right). You seem to like Duran, but do YOU think he was not a bastard? Maybe you don't like him because of his bullying behaviour in the second fight. Well, he was overly nice in the first(he even put his hand on Duran's shoulder, despite the abuse) so he HAD to stand up for himself and retaliate in kind.
I think Leonard wasn't that bad, I saw his fight with Benitez(who WAS very good) and he was a good pure boxer. He had one of the best jabs and was very skillful.
He caught Benitez with a jab on the side of his jaw which was very similar to what Jack Dempsey called a "left jolt" and knocked him down briefly.
Maybe he was as corrupt as you say, maybe he wasn't. Perhaps in the Benitez fight, he was, as Benitez was less aggressive than his fights with Hope and Shields, threw little punches.
But if Leonard was so corrupt, how CAN you say that Duran was a "supreme showman", totally clean legitimately(he wasn't verbally) and deserved of the 9th best fighter of all time.
Honestly, NO BOXER I know respected Duran. Maybe they respected his fighting skill, but they disrespected him.
As I've said, fight-wise, he was like Marciano. He had little boxing skill, but huge fighting ability(and right hand), and was tough enough to simply wade in and club like a lumberjack hits a tree. And he had little regard for the rules, to say the least.
But non-fightwise, he was totally different. You may see him hitting low and after the bell, but you don't see Marciano insulting fighters and taunting them and making insulting jestures with his hands. Marciano always congradulated fighters on their skill.
And Duran had about ONE TENTH of Marciano's "heart" so to say. When Marciano got clearly outboxed, he always kept going to win. He would NEVER quit.
And Marciano was WAY tougher. He wouldn't get KOd by Hearns in the 2nd round, or by Jesus in the first round.
And Marciano's opponent's were probably all better than Hearns, Jesus, Fernandez etc.
You may be about to mock me about my high regard for a fighter's attitude, but in my opinion, the more a person acts like someone like Duran, the weaker he is. And before you say "Muhammed Ali", I'd like to say Muhammed Ali did NOT do the extremes Duran did.
Your comment, "if nothing significant had happened", maybe no significant fighting, but it was significant that Duran quit, he was humiliated.
"Duran was a great fighter", maybe true but he was not a good boxer at all.
The second Duran-Leonard fight was a joke. To say that Leonard looked great and made Duran quit is ludicrous. He ran all night. He bored Duran into finding something else to do that night. The taunting was OK but it only lasted a couple minutes, not the entire fight as some people describe it. Ray Leonard is the most boring superstar I ever saw. With Ali a very close second.
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Dave1armedTua
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Reporter: " Duran, what is your opinion of Leonard?"
Duran: "F**K him."
Reporter: "...Um...well....there you have it."
Anyone who answers a post-fight interview like that, has my vote as a great boxer
Nice job pointing out all the things Leonard got away with fighting Hagler, I thought I was the only one who saw that. Just further proof that Steele was corrupt.
Duran: "F**K him."
Reporter: "...Um...well....there you have it."
Anyone who answers a post-fight interview like that, has my vote as a great boxer
Nice job pointing out all the things Leonard got away with fighting Hagler, I thought I was the only one who saw that. Just further proof that Steele was corrupt.
Now, did he really say that? in English like that?Dave1armedTua wrote:Reporter: " Duran, what is your opinion of Leonard?"
Duran: "F**K him."
Reporter: "...Um...well....there you have it."
I know its not too hard to put those words together, but Duran was notorious for his inarticulateness in Spanish, let alone English
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Dave1armedTua
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Tomato-Can
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Dutch Windmill
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What is this for BS? He won right? That's what it's about.ray wrote:The first one was insignificant, as Duran psychologically drew him into a slugging match by insulting him
As for his lightweight title reign: 66 wins. 1 loss, which he avenged....
13 title defenses. This guy is a legend, no doubt.
You call a guy that beat Vinnie Pazienza, Jorge Castro in his mid-forties overrated?
Yes, DutchDutch Windmill wrote:
What is this for BS? He won right? That's what it's about.
Yes, DutchDutch Windmill wrote: As for his lightweight title reign: 66 wins. 1 loss, which he avenged....
13 title defenses. This guy is a legend, no doubt.
Yes, he did call him that, DutchDutch Windmill wrote: You call a guy that beat Vinnie Pazienza, Jorge Castro in his mid-forties overrated?
PS: Serena looks better with each passing day, my friend
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Dutch Windmill
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Is that what makes you so er... compliant?Broncano wrote:Yes, DutchDutch Windmill wrote:
What is this for BS? He won right? That's what it's about.
Yes, DutchDutch Windmill wrote: As for his lightweight title reign: 66 wins. 1 loss, which he avenged....
13 title defenses. This guy is a legend, no doubt.
Yes, he did call him that, DutchDutch Windmill wrote: You call a guy that beat Vinnie Pazienza, Jorge Castro in his mid-forties overrated?
PS: Serena looks better with each passing day, my friend
Well, transform your Serena-adoration in some votes for her...or at least admit you'd prefer her over that communist' ass.
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SugarRoyRobinson
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Broncano, sorry, I didn't think people used bible-like phrases like that.
It seems there is overwhelming support of Duran. There's power in numbers so I suppose I'm wrong since everyone else says differently.
But Leonard didn't run away. If you call boxing on the defense effectively running away, then I suppose Ali ran away from his opponents in his prime.
Some fighters rely on skill(Leonard) and some rely on brute force(Duran). Leonard lost the first fight because he could not match Durans fighting ability.
"What is this for BS? He won right? That's what it's about."
Leonard won the second two fights by running away. But he won and that's all that matters.
As I've explained, he may have good fighting ability, but he was still a bastard. He WAS far more dirty than Leonard.
Leonard hit after the bell a lot, so what? When he did, it was to finish off a flurry. Duran hit very purposely and calculatedly. And Duran was a bastard.
I don't understand it. Prince Naseem was a bastard, but not NEARLY as much as a bastard as head of stone, and still people disrespect Naseem(OK) and respect Duran(surprising).
Did I say he did not have fighting ability? NO, I said he had great fighting ability. But to call him a legend, you must put him after all the better FIGHTERS ever. Then we will be loaded up with legends.
And YES, NO boxer I know had any respect for Duran. Maybe for fighting but not for anything else.
I don't know about you, but boxers despise bullies like Duran.
"The second Duran-Leonard fight was a joke. To say that Leonard looked great and made Duran quit is ludicrous. He ran all night. He bored Duran into finding something else to do that night. The taunting was OK but it only lasted a couple minutes, not the entire fight as some people describe it. Ray Leonard is the most boring superstar I ever saw. With Ali a very close second."
Duran won fights by neanderthal clubbing, which looked macho and tough etc. Leonard "ran away" and won that way. I think the running away is more impressive, it's the art of boxing. Fighters look boring in my opinion, stylists are way better. Honestly, to say Ali's speed of movement, slipping of punches and fast punching is boring, you obviously prefer macho swarmers and sluggers to boxers, which is OK.
"Boring him into finding something else to do" really means, "wore down his fighting spirit". So what, the taunting only lasted a couple of minutes? Leonard is not that stupid to do it from the start with a slugger like Duran.
FINAL WORD
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Dave1armedTua, why respect him because of profanity and machoism. That's like little kids respecting footballers because they spit, start fights, foul and generally "don't give a fornicate", and "take no shit" and act MACHO. That's NOT tough. When you act tough you are always making a point, and if you need to make a point you need to prove yourself and are unsure of yourself.
DURAN DID QUIT. IT WAS NOT A FIX. HE DIDN'T FIGHT WELL BECAUSE HE GOT HIS SPIRIT DOWN.
It seems there is overwhelming support of Duran. There's power in numbers so I suppose I'm wrong since everyone else says differently.
But Leonard didn't run away. If you call boxing on the defense effectively running away, then I suppose Ali ran away from his opponents in his prime.
Some fighters rely on skill(Leonard) and some rely on brute force(Duran). Leonard lost the first fight because he could not match Durans fighting ability.
"What is this for BS? He won right? That's what it's about."
Leonard won the second two fights by running away. But he won and that's all that matters.
As I've explained, he may have good fighting ability, but he was still a bastard. He WAS far more dirty than Leonard.
Leonard hit after the bell a lot, so what? When he did, it was to finish off a flurry. Duran hit very purposely and calculatedly. And Duran was a bastard.
I don't understand it. Prince Naseem was a bastard, but not NEARLY as much as a bastard as head of stone, and still people disrespect Naseem(OK) and respect Duran(surprising).
Did I say he did not have fighting ability? NO, I said he had great fighting ability. But to call him a legend, you must put him after all the better FIGHTERS ever. Then we will be loaded up with legends.
And YES, NO boxer I know had any respect for Duran. Maybe for fighting but not for anything else.
I don't know about you, but boxers despise bullies like Duran.
"The second Duran-Leonard fight was a joke. To say that Leonard looked great and made Duran quit is ludicrous. He ran all night. He bored Duran into finding something else to do that night. The taunting was OK but it only lasted a couple minutes, not the entire fight as some people describe it. Ray Leonard is the most boring superstar I ever saw. With Ali a very close second."
Duran won fights by neanderthal clubbing, which looked macho and tough etc. Leonard "ran away" and won that way. I think the running away is more impressive, it's the art of boxing. Fighters look boring in my opinion, stylists are way better. Honestly, to say Ali's speed of movement, slipping of punches and fast punching is boring, you obviously prefer macho swarmers and sluggers to boxers, which is OK.
"Boring him into finding something else to do" really means, "wore down his fighting spirit". So what, the taunting only lasted a couple of minutes? Leonard is not that stupid to do it from the start with a slugger like Duran.
FINAL WORD
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Dave1armedTua, why respect him because of profanity and machoism. That's like little kids respecting footballers because they spit, start fights, foul and generally "don't give a fornicate", and "take no shit" and act MACHO. That's NOT tough. When you act tough you are always making a point, and if you need to make a point you need to prove yourself and are unsure of yourself.
DURAN DID QUIT. IT WAS NOT A FIX. HE DIDN'T FIGHT WELL BECAUSE HE GOT HIS SPIRIT DOWN.
It's the other way around. Your fair treatment of Duran makes me so compliant with Serena. And you realize, obviuosly that I can't start a poll on Duran's ass, because that would be the end of Boxrec, not to mention my already shaky reputation...Dutch Windmill wrote:Is that what makes you so er... compliant?Broncano wrote: PS: Serena looks better with each passing day, my friend
Well, transform your Serena-adoration in some votes for her...or at least admit you'd prefer her over that communist' ass.
And Roy, you should know your Bible, young man
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Tyson KTFO 3 Times
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Vetteguy99
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From Esteban De Jesus - A Tragic Story
by Jim Amato--Boxing Insider
(...) While in prison De Jesus was infected with AIDS. Bedridden and dying Esteban received a surprise visit from none other then his old adversary, Roberto Duran. In a moment of compassion completely out of character for the mean and macho Duran, he had come to pay his respects. He had come to show his admiration for his toughest foe. He also knew in his heart that Esteban was a true champion.
Just to clarify what has been said about Duran:
This episode hardly shows the behavior of someone who doesn't deserve the respect of the rest of the boxing community.
And certainly not the behavior of a bastard.
by Jim Amato--Boxing Insider
(...) While in prison De Jesus was infected with AIDS. Bedridden and dying Esteban received a surprise visit from none other then his old adversary, Roberto Duran. In a moment of compassion completely out of character for the mean and macho Duran, he had come to pay his respects. He had come to show his admiration for his toughest foe. He also knew in his heart that Esteban was a true champion.
Just to clarify what has been said about Duran:
This episode hardly shows the behavior of someone who doesn't deserve the respect of the rest of the boxing community.
And certainly not the behavior of a bastard.
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john garfield
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Duran
I thought I'd add my own recollections of Duran to this thread.
I saw him first when he was only “Rocky” Duran, with an impressive string of early knockouts back in Panama, in his first main-go at the Garden against a pretty tough Puerto Rican left hooker, Bennie Huertas, who was coming off a string of early KO's himself.
Duran all but devoured him in the opening seconds of the first round, and like a rabid dog, it took all his handlers and everybody else to drag him off the unconscious Huertas. He continued hurling insults at the stricken fighter, and had to be restrained several times from going back after him.
When Duran got dressed and mingled with the crowd afterward, I was struck by how benign and unimpressive he was physically, slim--almost callow----in a flowing Hawaiian shirt. He had the distinct look of an indian with his board-straight black hair that he parted like a well-behaved student at a parochial school. A that moment, there was nothing to suggest the maniac I'd just seen in the ring.
And then he turned toward me...and I saw those eyes. It froze my blood. I see it now like a moment stopped in time....All the references to black coals and Charles Manson doesn’t begin to make you feel the dread; it was like throwing open the gates hell and seeing whatever allows us as a species to do unspeakable things to each other.
When Duran was training for the welterweight title against Carlos Palomino at Madison Square Garden, he worked out at Howard Albert's gym, an old factory loft in the Garment Center, just a few blocks from the new Garden.
It was summertime, and sweltering, and every Latino worker in the garment area-- and their families-- would go to watch their hero train at lunch time.
The gym was like a steam room, and jammed cheek-to-jowl with the adoring. . They pressed so close, they barely left Duran enough room to do his floor exercises. And then he went into the ring to shadow box.
Spanning what looked like a crowded subway, you could see chests swell and faces full of pride. Plump mothers holding babies in their arms stood right at the ring apron, while their little children looked up saucer eyed at this god.
In the midst of all of this, somebody in the back--unbelievably!-- kept yelling at Duran in Spanish: "PIPINO CUEVAS WILL KILL YOU!
Duran paid him no mind and continued to shadow box. But the heckler was
insistant: "PIPINO CUEVAS WILL KILL YOU! "PIPINO CUEVAS WILL KILL YOU!
Finally, Duran fixed a glare at him, stretched as far over the ropes as he could--just above the glowing faces of mothers and infants--and yanked down his trunks, grabbed his nuts, and roared in Spanish: "PIPINO CUEVAS CAN SUCK MY COCK!
john garfield
I saw him first when he was only “Rocky” Duran, with an impressive string of early knockouts back in Panama, in his first main-go at the Garden against a pretty tough Puerto Rican left hooker, Bennie Huertas, who was coming off a string of early KO's himself.
Duran all but devoured him in the opening seconds of the first round, and like a rabid dog, it took all his handlers and everybody else to drag him off the unconscious Huertas. He continued hurling insults at the stricken fighter, and had to be restrained several times from going back after him.
When Duran got dressed and mingled with the crowd afterward, I was struck by how benign and unimpressive he was physically, slim--almost callow----in a flowing Hawaiian shirt. He had the distinct look of an indian with his board-straight black hair that he parted like a well-behaved student at a parochial school. A that moment, there was nothing to suggest the maniac I'd just seen in the ring.
And then he turned toward me...and I saw those eyes. It froze my blood. I see it now like a moment stopped in time....All the references to black coals and Charles Manson doesn’t begin to make you feel the dread; it was like throwing open the gates hell and seeing whatever allows us as a species to do unspeakable things to each other.
When Duran was training for the welterweight title against Carlos Palomino at Madison Square Garden, he worked out at Howard Albert's gym, an old factory loft in the Garment Center, just a few blocks from the new Garden.
It was summertime, and sweltering, and every Latino worker in the garment area-- and their families-- would go to watch their hero train at lunch time.
The gym was like a steam room, and jammed cheek-to-jowl with the adoring. . They pressed so close, they barely left Duran enough room to do his floor exercises. And then he went into the ring to shadow box.
Spanning what looked like a crowded subway, you could see chests swell and faces full of pride. Plump mothers holding babies in their arms stood right at the ring apron, while their little children looked up saucer eyed at this god.
In the midst of all of this, somebody in the back--unbelievably!-- kept yelling at Duran in Spanish: "PIPINO CUEVAS WILL KILL YOU!
Duran paid him no mind and continued to shadow box. But the heckler was
insistant: "PIPINO CUEVAS WILL KILL YOU! "PIPINO CUEVAS WILL KILL YOU!
Finally, Duran fixed a glare at him, stretched as far over the ropes as he could--just above the glowing faces of mothers and infants--and yanked down his trunks, grabbed his nuts, and roared in Spanish: "PIPINO CUEVAS CAN SUCK MY COCK!
john garfield
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SugarRoyRobinson
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bollocks,
robinson
louis
williams
armstrong
pep
saddler
Etc. etc.
Terap says a lot of fights are fixed. I've seen Duran fighting and I've seen Leonard fighting.
Leonard IS a great boxer. Honestly some people say great boxers are overrated just for the sake of saying they are over rated. I'm only 21 so maybe I never lived to see the hype of Leonard, but I've seen his fights with Duran and Benitez, and as an amateur boxer I can tell he WAS a good boxer, slick footwork, and underrated power and hand-speed.
He may be overrated by the media but he DEFINATELY IS underrated by forum posters.
I've also seen Duran fighting, and while he was great at what he did(slugging) he wasn't particularly the best.
As for the people who say they only think of him as a lightweight. People slag Joe Louis, say even though he did well, he didn't fight good opposition. What about Duran? So what if you say DeJesus was underrated, many of Louis's bums of the months were too.
And as for the comments about moving up Big deal. Many great fighters moved up divisions with not much bother. If Duran was overweight at these divisions that's his fault and problem.
And to the guys who say the Leonard fight was fixed. Come on, let's be serious and stop having conspiracy theories. If Duran was out of shape, that does not make a difference, that is his fault.
Fighters, even in the Pro ranks, sometimes come back to their corners and say, "i'm tired". That's their own frickin fault. They should be fit. Fighters who put in so much effort into training would be disgusted at Duran fans excuse at him being out-of-shape.
Last Note:
THIS POST IS BY NO MEANS AN INSULT TO ANYONE. I RESPECT ALL OF YOUR OPINIONS. I HAVE MY OWN OPINION WHICH HAPPENS TO BE IN THE 1% MINORITY.
The "majority" argument is often played by the media and politicians. The "majority" means nothing. Ninety-nine point nine percent are not always right. I'm not insulting anyone.
I've got more to say, but cannot remember.
robinson
louis
williams
armstrong
pep
saddler
Etc. etc.
Terap says a lot of fights are fixed. I've seen Duran fighting and I've seen Leonard fighting.
Leonard IS a great boxer. Honestly some people say great boxers are overrated just for the sake of saying they are over rated. I'm only 21 so maybe I never lived to see the hype of Leonard, but I've seen his fights with Duran and Benitez, and as an amateur boxer I can tell he WAS a good boxer, slick footwork, and underrated power and hand-speed.
He may be overrated by the media but he DEFINATELY IS underrated by forum posters.
I've also seen Duran fighting, and while he was great at what he did(slugging) he wasn't particularly the best.
As for the people who say they only think of him as a lightweight. People slag Joe Louis, say even though he did well, he didn't fight good opposition. What about Duran? So what if you say DeJesus was underrated, many of Louis's bums of the months were too.
And as for the comments about moving up Big deal. Many great fighters moved up divisions with not much bother. If Duran was overweight at these divisions that's his fault and problem.
And to the guys who say the Leonard fight was fixed. Come on, let's be serious and stop having conspiracy theories. If Duran was out of shape, that does not make a difference, that is his fault.
Fighters, even in the Pro ranks, sometimes come back to their corners and say, "i'm tired". That's their own frickin fault. They should be fit. Fighters who put in so much effort into training would be disgusted at Duran fans excuse at him being out-of-shape.
Last Note:
THIS POST IS BY NO MEANS AN INSULT TO ANYONE. I RESPECT ALL OF YOUR OPINIONS. I HAVE MY OWN OPINION WHICH HAPPENS TO BE IN THE 1% MINORITY.
The "majority" argument is often played by the media and politicians. The "majority" means nothing. Ninety-nine point nine percent are not always right. I'm not insulting anyone.
I've got more to say, but cannot remember.