Conor Benn - What Next?

[coneye]

Amir Khan got two years for strict liability so surely the same applies here. Conor spending a fortune on a ban he could of got for a fraction of the price.

An independent tribunal accepted Khan's argument and ruled out "deliberate or reckless conduct" in a written decision dated Feb. 21, 2022, and imposed a two-year ban from all sport due to "strict liability."

"Strict liability means Athletes are ultimately responsible for what they ingest and for the presence of any prohibited substances in a sample," UKAD chief executive Jane Rumble said.

Had a few boxers represent there country and it was drummed into them at the institute of sport what they can and cannot injest , so much so one would be on the phone to me all the time , , can i eat my mars bar ,, is curry ok ,, shame my answer was , always , stuffed if i know , read your 100 page booklet they gave you . Point being these were ameteurs and they were aware , although i do agree with Eubank snr ,,, why just him , he's too dumb to know what to inject and what not too ,,, UKAD should be going his trainers who sourced it and injected it into him with even bigger bans .

How do they do that easy , 4 years and carreeers finished , or less 2 years if he names and shames

[Redback Rasta]

Heard Eddie Hearn commenting about how well Conor Benn's next fight will sell because 'Benn's name has barely been out of people's mouths.'

Hearn saying it like it doesn't matter how you get your publicity, even if you have to test positive a couple of times to get it.

[margaret thatcher]

ya, like ed says failing tests is the new way to go

[Redback Rasta]

If you want your name to be 'barely out of people's mouths' it is one way to go.

[Frostieballs]

As we all predicted, he will be fighting again soon.

Fighting again to clear his name yes, but fighting in the ring in the UK anytime soon, I doubt it.

This thing won't be resolved in the media.

Gentleman’s bet he fights before the end of the year?!

[Spud]

Oh dear, it gets worse, I really thought I would be convinced … I am not!!

[Nightmare Roy]

Oh dear, it gets worse, I really thought I would be convinced … I am not!!

I was stroking my chin then whole way through that, he must have blown a fortune on all this nonsense. All people who fail are innocent obviously, they just have the sense to go down the "no idea how it got there guv" route and get on with it.

[garethhop]

Eddie Hearn making what appears to be baseless suggestions that the UKAD stuff will be sorted soon, given that his adviser stated yesterday "We've reached out to them, we've contacted them. We're waiting for them to come to us, and why they're not coming to us I'm struggling to understand."

What I'm struggling to understand is how Conor Benn has ended up with Rene Carayol working for him.

I've said it before, but this isn't going very well.

[Spud]

What I'm struggling to understand is how Conor Benn has ended up with Rene Carayol working for him.

I've said it before, but this isn't going very well.

Carayol was good friends with Ashley Theopane, he advised him.

Rene Carayol then worked with Richard Poxon looking after the PR side of things. They both worked with promoting Chris Eubank Jnr for a couple of fights.

They also worked with Ricky Hatton towards the end.

When i worked with David Haye, Rene was introduced to us and he was fantastic with David who was going through a bad time after he split with Adam Booth.

I was impressed with the way Rene handled sponsors and various business aspects.

I have nothing but good to say about Rene he was a proper Gent.

When I first found out he was working with Conor Benn I immediately thought it was to improve the disastrous way Conors PR had been going.

I thought to myself Rene would not work with Conor unless he knew something positive.

With all that said, despite anticipating a strong, robust convincing argument as to Benns innocence…

I was thoroughly underwhelmed …

[Redback Rasta]

As we all predicted, he will be fighting again soon.

Fighting again to clear his name yes, but fighting in the ring in the UK anytime soon, I doubt it.

This thing won't be resolved in the media.

Gentleman’s bet he fights before the end of the year?!

At least two incorrect assumptions there on your part. The first two being that I am a gentleman and that I bet with people I don't even know :lol:

As far as Benn goes, a backdated year and a half ban would see him clear to fight in the UK in December. Thing is, a repeat drug offender should receive more than a year and a half year ban and if he doesn't I think they might just as well throw boxing drug testing out the window and just make it a full on cheating freak show.

There is of the course the other possibility, that Benn fights elsewhere whilst still banned. But for all his bluff and bluster, I don't think Hearn really wants to go down that path, though I'm sure Benn would do it in a heartbeat.

[garethhop]

What I'm struggling to understand is how Conor Benn has ended up with Rene Carayol working for him.

I've said it before, but this isn't going very well.

Carayol was good friends with Ashley Theopane, he advised him.

Rene Carayol then worked with Richard Poxon looking after the PR side of things. They both worked with promoting Chris Eubank Jnr for a couple of fights.

They also worked with Ricky Hatton towards the end.

When i worked with David Haye, Rene was introduced to us and he was fantastic with David who was going through a bad time after he split with Adam Booth.

I was impressed with the way Rene handled sponsors and various business aspects.

I have nothing but good to say about Rene he was a proper Gent.

When I first found out he was working with Conor Benn I immediately thought it was to improve the disastrous way Conors PR had been going.

I thought to myself Rene would not work with Conor unless he knew something positive.

With all that said, despite anticipating a strong, robust convincing argument as to Benns innocence…

I was thoroughly underwhelmed …

Rene Carayol is a chancer. He describes himself on his website as an executive coach to Top 100 FTSE CEOs. His Companies House register shows him as a Director of a string of dissolved and liquidated companies.

He makes much of his Managing Director role at IPC but he stepped down there after a few months in role.

Did some very limited tv work in the late 2000s.

Currently a Director at a barbers and probably hasnt earned well in quite some time.

Anyone who has worked with people like this will recognise him in 2 mins of that Simon Jordan interview.

[Frostieballs]

What I'm struggling to understand is how Conor Benn has ended up with Rene Carayol working for him.

I've said it before, but this isn't going very well.

Carayol was good friends with Ashley Theopane, he advised him.

Rene Carayol then worked with Richard Poxon looking after the PR side of things. They both worked with promoting Chris Eubank Jnr for a couple of fights.

They also worked with Ricky Hatton towards the end.

When i worked with David Haye, Rene was introduced to us and he was fantastic with David who was going through a bad time after he split with Adam Booth.

I was impressed with the way Rene handled sponsors and various business aspects.

I have nothing but good to say about Rene he was a proper Gent.

When I first found out he was working with Conor Benn I immediately thought it was to improve the disastrous way Conors PR had been going.

I thought to myself Rene would not work with Conor unless he knew something positive.

With all that said, despite anticipating a strong, robust convincing argument as to Benns innocence…

I was thoroughly underwhelmed …

Rene Carayol is a chancer. He describes himself on his website as an executive coach to Top 100 FTSE CEOs. His Companies House register shows him as a Director of a string of dissolved and liquidated companies.

He makes much of his Managing Director role at IPC but he stepped down there after a few months in role.

Did some very limited tv work in the late 2000s.

Currently a Director at a barbers and probably hasnt earned well in quite some time.

Anyone who has worked with people like this will recognise him in 2 mins of that Simon Jordan interview.

I’m with you on this. Have come across these guys.

Good enough to talk themselves into situation after situation, but can’t deliver anything of substance.

As the old saying goes - all fur coat and no knickers.

[polecateddy]

Fighting again to clear his name yes, but fighting in the ring in the UK anytime soon, I doubt it.

This thing won't be resolved in the media.

Gentleman’s bet he fights before the end of the year?!

At least two incorrect assumptions there on your part. The first two being that I am a gentleman and that I bet with people I don't even know

As far as Benn goes, a backdated year and a half ban would see him clear to fight in the UK in December. Thing is, a repeat drug offender should receive more than a year and a half year ban and if he doesn't I think they might just as well throw boxing drug testing out the window and just make it a full on cheating freak show.

There is of the course the other possibility, that Benn fights elsewhere whilst still banned. But for all his bluff and bluster, I don't think Hearn really wants to go down that path, though I'm sure Benn would do it in a heartbeat.

Wasn’t the last fail in Oct 2022? Wouldn’t a 18 months ban mean Easter 2024?

[Blueprint]

The scientific evidence is very compelling. No idea what people were expecting, but If they can prove his faulty gene causes chlomofine storage, and the positive samples are consistent with egg contamination, this could clear him.

[polecateddy]

The scientific evidence is very compelling. No idea what people were expecting, but If they can prove his faulty gene causes chlomofine storage, and the positive samples are consistent with egg contamination, this could clear him.

It’s nearly as credible as Dennis Mitchell’s high testosterone "five bottles of beer and sex with his wife at least four times... it was her birthday, the lady deserved a treat’’ try. He still got his 2 years.

[Blueprint]

The scientific evidence is very compelling. No idea what people were expecting, but If they can prove his faulty gene causes chlomofine storage, and the positive samples are consistent with egg contamination, this could clear him.

It’s nearly as credible as Dennis Mitchell’s high testosterone "five bottles of beer and sex with his wife at least four times... it was her birthday, the lady deserved a treat’’ try. He still got his 2 years.

That doesn't sound realistic, but this does.

Either his genes are faulty or not.
Either the metabolytes are consistent with egg contamination or not.

Ukad scientists should be able to verify both things.

[Redback Rasta]

Gentleman’s bet he fights before the end of the year?!

At least two incorrect assumptions there on your part. The first two being that I am a gentleman and that I bet with people I don't even know :lol:

As far as Benn goes, a backdated year and a half ban would see him clear to fight in the UK in December. Thing is, a repeat drug offender should receive more than a year and a half year ban and if he doesn't I think they might just as well throw boxing drug testing out the window and just make it a full on cheating freak show.

There is of the course the other possibility, that Benn fights elsewhere whilst still banned. But for all his bluff and bluster, I don't think Hearn really wants to go down that path, though I'm sure Benn would do it in a heartbeat.

Wasn’t the last fail in Oct 2022? Wouldn’t a 18 months ban mean Easter 2024?

Yeah, you are probably right there. I was mistakenly thinking of the date of his last fight.

[Redback Rasta]

The scientific evidence is very compelling. No idea what people were expecting, but If they can prove his faulty gene causes chlomofine storage, and the positive samples are consistent with egg contamination, this could clear him.

It’s nearly as credible as Dennis Mitchell’s high testosterone "five bottles of beer and sex with his wife at least four times... it was her birthday, the lady deserved a treat’’ try. He still got his 2 years.

That doesn't sound realistic, but this does.

Either his genes are faulty or not.
Either the metabolytes are consistent with egg contamination or not.

Ukad scientists should be able to verify both things.

Unlike most legal matters, when you test positive for a banned substance you are guilty until proven innocent, not the other way around. That is the system and the onus falls to Benn to prove he is innocent.

[dookus]

This new line is going to require some pretty serious scientific evidence

[coneye]

Well there has been some good come out of it , The cheating , big headed twerp was constantly telling the cameras , how his team were looking after him , how rich he was , how well he was doing ,, well now he knows they really did look after him .
Its also cost a fortune for these lawyers , experts , and so called experts that money can buy and i doubt Eddie has picked up the full tab , so at least he earnt well because i would think he's now spent a lot if not most of it , and the good thing is , with each passing month he's becoming more and more irrelevent , yet more and more desperate for a payday . Icing on this cake is , when approached other managers will say , Nope not using my boy for cannon fodder , Eubank will say Nope super middle or foook off , he will fight a 50-50 fight get completly starched , , his opponent , opponents trainer , and father , will do a high five and a little dance over his fast asleep body , and while he's in the corner recovering ,all ga ga like , they will tell the world look what i just done i'm the greatest

[dookus]

The scientific evidence is very compelling. No idea what people were expecting, but If they can prove his faulty gene causes chlomofine storage, and the positive samples are consistent with egg contamination, this could clear him.

Without strong supporting evidence, it doesn't sound very compelling to me. How can they possibly distinguish metabolites of clomiphene from contaminated eggs vs from intentional ingestion when it's the same basic substance? Can they really demonstrate to a verifiable standard, given how complex the way genes interact together and with drugs is, that he is more predisposed to storing clomiphene than others? Critically, how does this deal with the fact that there is no evidence for clomiphene contamination of eggs in the UK (even if there is in other countries)? And why did Benn furiously deny that his case had anything to do with eggs whatsoever after the WBC ruling and is only now going back to that story with a new twist? I'm not saying it's impossible, but this new version of events - now the third one Benn and his team have run - is going to require some serious evidence.

[Counter-puncher]

i didn't take the cookies from the jar, I don't eat cookies, I don't even like cookies, actually it was someone else who took the cookies but anyway I was hungry and why shouldn't I take a cookie here and there, why should everyone else get all the cookies I have got as much right to cookies as anyone, and the fact that I didn't take cookies when I could have done actually means its me thats being wronged here, you owe me 3 cookies to make up for the ones that I could have taken already but didn't, and actually I'm very offended by the implication that I'm a cookie-thief and you'll all be hearing from my lawyers who will explain that any cookies I didn't actually take were perfectly legal for me to take and actually I should have taken more of them than the ones I didn't take in the first place so not only do you owe me an apology and a massive compensation payment for all the anguish you have caused me but you owe me some serious cookies, which I won't actually eat because I don't like cookies but it's just the principle of the thing and at the end of it all you will see, I will be vindicated *wipes cookie crumbs from shirt*

[polecateddy]

Clearly it’s all going to end with Benn suing UKAD and The Board, serving a ban and never being licenced to fight in the UK again.

[TheLeprechaun]

I feel for the chap in the sense that all fighters are on gear but the game is the game, if you're dumb enough to get caught, everyone is going to gang up and use that opportunity to take a shot at you and make it out like they are not on gear themselves. He's done his reputation for good by being careless in my opinion. Nothing he can do will ever wipe away the cheat stain on him. This is an unprecedented case of a fighter who will always be known as a cheat by the public. A good thing to come out of it is that fighters have learned to be extra cautious with their cycles and making sure they clear their systems. Fewer fighters will now get caught.

[Blueprint]

The scientific evidence is very compelling. No idea what people were expecting, but If they can prove his faulty gene causes chlomofine storage, and the positive samples are consistent with egg contamination, this could clear him.

Without strong supporting evidence, it doesn't sound very compelling to me. How can they possibly distinguish metabolites of clomiphene from contaminated eggs vs from intentional ingestion when it's the same basic substance?

They doctor in that video cited a study commissioned by Wada. Apparently they produce different metabolytes to one another. Apparently Benns's metaboloytes are consistent with the egg contamination athletes.