Kessler has started sparring

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 29 Aug 2006, 14:36

Just found this

WBA supermiddle champ Mikkel Kessler has begun sparring for his October 14 showdown against WBC counterpart Markus Beyer. Kessler is sparring with Russians Sergey Tatevosyan and Eric Teymour, both southpaws like Beyer.

knockout · Post by **knockout** » 29 Aug 2006, 17:04

Yeah, Spoke with Erik the other day, he was at his parents home in Georgia, he was gonna fly straight to Denmark after is summer holiday.

Eriks style is quite similar to Beyer....

Deram · Post by **Deram** » 29 Aug 2006, 22:21

so he gets alot of Southpaw training. In that sense beyer is perfect sparring for Calzaghe

hitman_hatton1 · Post by **hitman_hatton1** » 30 Aug 2006, 07:44

Deram wrote:so he gets alot of Southpaw training. In that sense beyer is perfect sparring for Calzaghe

er no.

dumdane · Post by **dumdane** » 30 Aug 2006, 07:52

Deram wrote:so he gets alot of Southpaw training. In that sense beyer is perfect sparring for Calzaghe

Doesn't matter.
Calzaghe-Kessler fight is never gonna be made anyway.

dumdane · Post by **dumdane** » 30 Aug 2006, 10:19

livingstone cole wrote:That's very pessimistic of you. Why on earth would you think that Calzaghe wouldn't end up in the ring with a well known competitor for the No1 spot?

Calzaghe at this stage only wants "superfights" (except of course when he decides to fight the likes of Bika). But "superfights" does not necessarilly mean the toughest opposition. It means the most financially rewarding fight. Kessler is NOT in that category yet - so it's not gonna happen.

steve689 · Post by **steve689** » 30 Aug 2006, 13:51

dumdane wrote:
livingstone cole wrote:That's very pessimistic of you. Why on earth would you think that Calzaghe wouldn't end up in the ring with a well known competitor for the No1 spot?
Calzaghe at this stage only wants "superfights" (except of course when he decides to fight the likes of Bika). But "superfights" does not necessarilly mean the toughest opposition. It means the most financially rewarding fight. Kessler is NOT in that category yet - so it's not gonna happen.

Hit the nail on the head harder than a Kessler jab dumdane

stujones · Post by **stujones** » 30 Aug 2006, 17:44

Calzaghe actually mentions the Kessler vs Beyer match (first time) in an excellent piece in Boxing Monthly (well, I always like those types of articles).

He basically says that he rates Kessler a fair amount and thinks he will beat Beyer. He also regards the winner of this fight as a possible reason to stay at Super Middle and considers Kessler (assuming he wins) as the top 3-4 in terms of ideal matches - with Hopkins, Taylor and possibly Wright above.

He just doesn't think they will ever agree terms.

pundit · Post by **pundit** » 30 Aug 2006, 17:46

stujones wrote:Calzaghe actually mentions the Kessler vs Beyer match (first time) in an excellent piece in Boxing Monthly (well, I always like those types of articles).

He basically says that he rates Kessler a fair amount and thinks he will beat Beyer. He also regards the winner of this fight as a possible reason to stay at Super Middle and considers Kessler (assuming he wins) as the top 3-4 in terms of ideal matches - with Hopkins, Taylor and possibly Wright above.

He just doesn't think they will ever agree terms.

Of course not.

Max Molyneux · Post by **Max Molyneux** » 30 Aug 2006, 17:50

Because the winner will duck Joe.

pundit · Post by **pundit** » 30 Aug 2006, 17:54

Max Molyneux wrote:Because the winner will duck Joe.

Sorry, Max, even though there were only two options, you managed to choose the wrong one....

Max Molyneux · Post by **Max Molyneux** » 30 Aug 2006, 17:55

You can;t doubt my predictions.

I'm usually right.

pundit · Post by **pundit** » 30 Aug 2006, 17:57

Max Molyneux wrote:You can;t doubt my predictions.

I'm usually right.

Yes -- Calzaghe would beat Lacy on power.... and Lacy had a poor chin....

stujones · Post by **stujones** » 30 Aug 2006, 18:02

pundit wrote:
stujones wrote:Calzaghe actually mentions the Kessler vs Beyer match (first time) in an excellent piece in Boxing Monthly (well, I always like those types of articles).

He basically says that he rates Kessler a fair amount and thinks he will beat Beyer. He also regards the winner of this fight as a possible reason to stay at Super Middle and considers Kessler (assuming he wins) as the top 3-4 in terms of ideal matches - with Hopkins, Taylor and possibly Wright above.

He just doesn't think they will ever agree terms.

Of course not.

Well at least Joe didn't rubbish Kessler. He was quite honest all the way through the piece. Said Johnson was a fortunate Journeyman fighting in a piss poor devision, said Jones was shot to pieces. Said that while Wright is a fantastic boxer felt he was too small to stand much of a chance.

If a Johnson vs Calzaghe match does come about - I hope the Journo's really bring Calzaghe's comments to the attention at the pre fight press conference. I don't think Warren will be at all pleased with his honesty.

From how I interpreted the article the three fighters who he gave the most chance vs him were Taylor, Kessler and Hopkins.

Max Molyneux · Post by **Max Molyneux** » 30 Aug 2006, 18:02

I said he was going to give him a beating too and I was right.

And I said he would be exposed.

Crazy refs fault I got screwed on the stoppage.

pundit · Post by **pundit** » 30 Aug 2006, 18:04

stujones wrote:
pundit wrote:
stujones wrote:Calzaghe actually mentions the Kessler vs Beyer match (first time) in an excellent piece in Boxing Monthly (well, I always like those types of articles).

He basically says that he rates Kessler a fair amount and thinks he will beat Beyer. He also regards the winner of this fight as a possible reason to stay at Super Middle and considers Kessler (assuming he wins) as the top 3-4 in terms of ideal matches - with Hopkins, Taylor and possibly Wright above.

He just doesn't think they will ever agree terms.

Of course not.
Well at least Joe didn't rubbish Kessler. He was quite honest all the way through the piece. Said Johnson was a fortunate Journeyman fighting in a piss poor devision, said Jones was shot to pieces. Said that while Wright is a fantastic boxer felt he was too small to stand much of a chance.

If a Johnson vs Calzaghe match does come about - I hope the Journo's really bring Calzaghe's comments to the attention at the pre fight press conference. I don't think Warren will be at all pleased with his honesty.

From how I interpreted the article the three fighters who he gave the most chance vs him were Taylor, Kessler and Hopkins.

Any link to ths article? Sounds interesting.

stujones · Post by **stujones** » 30 Aug 2006, 18:05

It was in boxing monthly. It might be online via their website, but not sure.

pundit · Post by **pundit** » 30 Aug 2006, 18:14

Max Molyneux wrote:I said he was going to give him a beating too and I was right.

And I said he would be exposed.

Crazy refs fault I got screwed on the stoppage.

Power .... chin..... Super- accurate predictions

I'd say you got exposed as much as Lacy.

Max Molyneux · Post by **Max Molyneux** » 30 Aug 2006, 18:15

He downed Lacy and had him out on his feet.

pundit · Post by **pundit** » 30 Aug 2006, 18:18

Max Molyneux wrote:He downed Lacy and had him out on his feet.

Power.... chin....

Max Molyneux · Post by **Max Molyneux** » 30 Aug 2006, 18:29

His power did put him down.

pundit · Post by **pundit** » 30 Aug 2006, 18:48

Max Molyneux wrote:His power did put him down.

How many free punches did Calzaghe get in this fight? 100? 200?

Power...

Chin...

SticknMove · Post by **SticknMove** » 30 Aug 2006, 20:59

pundit wrote:
Max Molyneux wrote:His power did put him down.

How many free punches did Calzaghe get in this fight? 100? 200?

Power... Chin...

It was more about Calzaghe dishing out a complete boxing lesson against an overhyped power puncher who was found out. Calzaghe puts enough on his punches when he throws them in clusters with speed an accuracy. And he does it naturally and effortlessly, which makes him a formidable champion for any SM or LH. The only criticism I have of him is his tendency to throw some punches without turning his hand over. Hence the jibe from Lacey about him being a slapper. This is probably a symptom of his hand troubles or a reason for them.

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 31 Aug 2006, 03:39

dumdane wrote:
livingstone cole wrote:That's very pessimistic of you. Why on earth would you think that Calzaghe wouldn't end up in the ring with a well known competitor for the No1 spot?
Calzaghe at this stage only wants "superfights" (except of course when he decides to fight the likes of Bika). But "superfights" does not necessarilly mean the toughest opposition. It means the most financially rewarding fight. Kessler is NOT in that category yet - so it's not gonna happen.

who knows? there are too many ppl saying that Calzaghe will only have one more fight, that he won't fight who we all want him to fight. How do we know that? That his time has all but run out for him to cement a legacy. He is 34, still in terrific shape & if the hands hold up he'll carry on earning money.

Joe did all that we asked of him this year - beat Lacy. Let's give him a free pass with Bika. So long as it leads to another major fight next year.

Right now it's all too early to speculate. Woods v Johnson 3 & Kessler-Beyer haven't happened. We don't know who will win those fights. Everyopne's saying he MUST fight Kessler, but we cann't be sure if Kessler will beat Beyer.

Another thing that will detemrine who he goes for next is how the upcoming 168 & 175 titles play out. If Kessler struggles to beat southpaw Beyer, and if Woods batters Johnson, then I would say Kessler is a more liekly foe.

There are a lot of quality names at 168 and 175. Many of them with world titles. Kessler, Beyer, Mundine, Bute, Andrade, Erdei, Woods, Johnson, Tiozzo.

Bika is a step back from Lacy (though he appears to have better boxing ability). However, I can see Calzaghe's career rising to a boil. example: from late 97 to 03, Calzaghe fought five ex title holders. That is almost one a year. 2004-5 were the stagnant years that we never thought he'd get through - very sobering & he lost a lot of fans. In 2006, he fought an unbeaten titlist. There is a progression, steady as it has been. Lacy, who got a lot of hype, has raised the bar & i think there iss till pressure & demand to see JC in a real fight.

Joe is 34. There's fights ahead of him. For the last 3 years Hopkins - around the age of 38-41 - has aparently had arthritis. yet look at what he's done.

jangeorg · Post by **jangeorg** » 11 Sep 2006, 01:57

viciousmaussa wrote:
dumdane wrote:
livingstone cole wrote:That's very pessimistic of you. Why on earth would you think that Calzaghe wouldn't end up in the ring with a well known competitor for the No1 spot?
Calzaghe at this stage only wants "superfights" (except of course when he decides to fight the likes of Bika). But "superfights" does not necessarilly mean the toughest opposition. It means the most financially rewarding fight. Kessler is NOT in that category yet - so it's not gonna happen.
who knows? there are too many ppl saying that Calzaghe will only have one more fight, that he won't fight who we all want him to fight. How do we know that? That his time has all but run out for him to cement a legacy. He is 34, still in terrific shape & if the hands hold up he'll carry on earning money.

Joe did all that we asked of him this year - beat Lacy. Let's give him a free pass with Bika. So long as it leads to another major fight next year.

Right now it's all too early to speculate. Woods v Johnson 3 & Kessler-Beyer haven't happened. We don't know who will win those fights. Everyopne's saying he MUST fight Kessler, but we cann't be sure if Kessler will beat Beyer.

Another thing that will detemrine who he goes for next is how the upcoming 168 & 175 titles play out. If Kessler struggles to beat southpaw Beyer, and if Woods batters Johnson, then I would say Kessler is a more liekly foe.

There are a lot of quality names at 168 and 175. Many of them with world titles. Kessler, Beyer, Mundine, Bute, Andrade, Erdei, Woods, Johnson, Tiozzo.

Bika is a step back from Lacy (though he appears to have better boxing ability). However, I can see Calzaghe's career rising to a boil. example: from late 97 to 03, Calzaghe fought five ex title holders. That is almost one a year. 2004-5 were the stagnant years that we never thought he'd get through - very sobering & he lost a lot of fans. In 2006, he fought an unbeaten titlist. There is a progression, steady as it has been. Lacy, who got a lot of hype, has raised the bar & i think there iss till pressure & demand to see JC in a real fight.

Joe is 34. There's fights ahead of him. For the last 3 years Hopkins - around the age of 38-41 - has aparently had arthritis. yet look at what he's done.

The odds are completely stacked against Beyer. He's almost been taken out several times in Germany but is usually saved by the doctors calling a halt to the fight after 4 rounds and disqualifying his opponent

I guess with Beyer they don't even feel he will last the 12 rounds so they can give him a gift of a hometown decison so they pull the plug after 4 and save him that way.

As he's going into Kessler land now I actually fear for him.

I still see him winning somehow or at least holding on to his own belt just not sure how his German team are going to acomplish it this time.

My pick is that after he's been put down for the 3rd time in the first 2 rounds there will be a mysterious explosion in the arena, panic and disruption will ensue and the fight will be declared void. Beyer will keep his belt, fight a rematch in Germany and Kessler will be disqual ified in the 2nd round for punching Beyer in the face