Tyson Fury vs. Francis Ngannou | TNT PPV - 28 October 2023

[mickey1975]

It’s going to be funny watching people trying to hype this fight up. Is the WBC going to sanction it? Lol Probably a much better fighter is arguably the best heavyweight kick-boxer of all-time, Rico Verhoeven. He spars with Fury on occasion and admits to being completely humbled and just does it to learn some skills. Ngannou has no boxing grounding at all. Messed about in gyms in his mid-twenties and I’m not sure he even ever had an amateur boxing match. It’s just nuts to try and do this as a proper fight.

Peter Fury is the link with Rico.

[Teddy's Toupee]

Nganu vs Dave Allen would be a good scrap. Johny fisher Mabey…. But Tyson fornicating fury…… at least do it in mma glove or bare knuckle or somthing to make it interesting….

In a carpark, in vests.

John Fury hiding inside a 1980s transit van versus a screaming, rain-soaked, shirtless Frank Grant on the undercard.

[tonyevs]

It’s going to be funny watching people trying to hype this fight up. Is the WBC going to sanction it? Lol Probably a much better fighter is arguably the best heavyweight kick-boxer of all-time, Rico Verhoeven. He spars with Fury on occasion and admits to being completely humbled and just does it to learn some skills. Ngannou has no boxing grounding at all. Messed about in gyms in his mid-twenties and I’m not sure he even ever had an amateur boxing match. It’s just nuts to try and do this as a proper fight.

It may being set out as a proper fight, but it will most definitely be scripted similar to the Mayweather v McGregor 'fight' was .. the early rounds drama of Ngannou being able to land some cuffing punches on Fury .. Fury unable to land anything significant..
Then likely the referee stops it with around or two left, or a Fury decision .. and if Buncey was able to screech convincingly enough how great it was, then Fury may even give Ngannou a rematch the following summer.

[polecateddy]

It’s going to be funny watching people trying to hype this fight up. Is the WBC going to sanction it? Lol Probably a much better fighter is arguably the best heavyweight kick-boxer of all-time, Rico Verhoeven. He spars with Fury on occasion and admits to being completely humbled and just does it to learn some skills. Ngannou has no boxing grounding at all. Messed about in gyms in his mid-twenties and I’m not sure he even ever had an amateur boxing match. It’s just nuts to try and do this as a proper fight.

It may being set out as a proper fight, but it will most definitely be scripted similar to the Mayweather v McGregor 'fight' was .. the early rounds drama of Ngannou being able to land some cuffing punches on Fury .. Fury unable to land anything significant..
Then likely the referee stops it with around or two left, or a Fury decision .. and if Buncey was able to screech convincingly enough how great it was, then Fury may even give Ngannou a rematch the following summer.

No doubt they’ll be pushing out those short, heavily edited sparring clips. Ngannou landing the odd flurry on some poor plodder.

[Coco]

It’s going to be funny watching people trying to hype this fight up. Is the WBC going to sanction it? Lol Probably a much better fighter is arguably the best heavyweight kick-boxer of all-time, Rico Verhoeven. He spars with Fury on occasion and admits to being completely humbled and just does it to learn some skills. Ngannou has no boxing grounding at all. Messed about in gyms in his mid-twenties and I’m not sure he even ever had an amateur boxing match. It’s just nuts to try and do this as a proper fight.

It may being set out as a proper fight, but it will most definitely be scripted similar to the Mayweather v McGregor 'fight' was .. the early rounds drama of Ngannou being able to land some cuffing punches on Fury .. Fury unable to land anything significant..
Then likely the referee stops it with around or two left, or a Fury decision .. and if Buncey was able to screech convincingly enough how great it was, then Fury may even give Ngannou a rematch the following summer.

Rematches are old hat, it's trilogies which really get the blood running.

[Counter-puncher]

Nganu vs Dave Allen would be a good scrap. Johny fisher Mabey…. But Tyson fornicating fury…… at least do it in mma glove or bare knuckle or somthing to make it interesting….

In a carpark, in vests.

John Fury hiding inside a 1980s transit van versus a screaming, rain-soaked, shirtless Frank Grant on the undercard.

not if his wife had a 'babby' on the way

[Counter-puncher]

someone, somewhere may have failed to see this gem before, and I'm giving like that:

No conjecture, gossip, rumour, badly researched online ‘articles’ FACTS from someone who knew John (we had the same manager at one point) and had the misfortune to spend time with him on many occasions.

Real Name:

The family name is actually PARTRIDGE not Fury.

Bare Knuckle ‘Career’:

Clearly these events are not recorded but as far as I know (and I’ve confirmed this with another Fury cohort) John was known to have a grand total of TWO organised bare knuckle fights, one was broken up by the Police, in the other both Fury and his opponent shook hands and called it a draw as they were both knackered.

Boxing Career:

NEVER scored a stoppage or a knockdown.

Beaten by a part time Rugby player.

Was ‘old manned’ in a Central Area title fight by the ancient cokehead Neil Malpass.

Was rendered unconscious for almost ten minutes by the relatively light hitting Akinwande.

He took a four year break after the Akinwande loss then made a comeback and took on Steve Garber (someone he’d previously beaten) after a decent first round he was systematically outboxed for two rounds before throwing his arms up in surrender and returning to his corner.

Sparring Stories:

He came over to John Celebanski’s gym in Bradford to spar with the aforementioned Steve Garber (this was after their first fight, before the second) Steve suffered a badly cut lower lip after two rounds and curtailed the sparring. MIDDLEWEIGHT Frank Grant asked if he could do a few rounds with Fury. Fury most insulted that a mere Middleweight would dare spar with him went in heavy, the sparring was ‘heated’ to say the least and Frank absolutely battered Fury for two rounds.

In the changing room Fury starts muttering about ‘not being fit/thought he was sparring a heavy/wife had a ‘babby’ due/he’d had a long drive from Haslingden etc etc’ Grant told him to ‘shut his mouth’ (or similar) Fury makes some noise about ‘taking it outside’

You didn’t say that to Frank Grant.

Fury leaves the building Grant follows him outside stripped to the waist in the pouring rain and starts screaming at Fury to fight him, Fury gets in his van muttering about being knackered from the sparring, once again evoking his heavily pregnant wife and the impending ‘babby’, Grant kicks the van door tries to open it, Fury drives off.

I didn’t see this sadly BUT I do have it on good authority from numerous people who witnessed it, Fury went to Leeds to spar with Tom Collins and Carl Gaffney, LIGHTHEAVY Collins knocked him clean out wearing 16oz gloves.

By way of conclusion Gypsy John Partridge (it’s true I swear) is a liar, fantasist, bully and NOTHING like as hard as he would have you believe.

If Fat Mick has any sense, he’ll keep John well away from press conferences, cameras, interviews etc.

[Counter-puncher]

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[cormack]

someone, somewhere may have failed to see this gem before, and I'm giving like that:

No conjecture, gossip, rumour, badly researched online ‘articles’ FACTS from someone who knew John (we had the same manager at one point) and had the misfortune to spend time with him on many occasions.

Real Name:

The family name is actually PARTRIDGE not Fury.

Bare Knuckle ‘Career’:

Clearly these events are not recorded but as far as I know (and I’ve confirmed this with another Fury cohort) John was known to have a grand total of TWO organised bare knuckle fights, one was broken up by the Police, in the other both Fury and his opponent shook hands and called it a draw as they were both knackered.

Boxing Career:

NEVER scored a stoppage or a knockdown.


Beaten by a part time Rugby player.

Was ‘old manned’ in a Central Area title fight by the ancient cokehead Neil Malpass.

Was rendered unconscious for almost ten minutes by the relatively light hitting Akinwande.

He took a four year break after the Akinwande loss then made a comeback and took on Steve Garber (someone he’d previously beaten) after a decent first round he was systematically outboxed for two rounds before throwing his arms up in surrender and returning to his corner.

Sparring Stories:

He came over to John Celebanski’s gym in Bradford to spar with the aforementioned Steve Garber (this was after their first fight, before the second) Steve suffered a badly cut lower lip after two rounds and curtailed the sparring. MIDDLEWEIGHT Frank Grant asked if he could do a few rounds with Fury. Fury most insulted that a mere Middleweight would dare spar with him went in heavy, the sparring was ‘heated’ to say the least and Frank absolutely battered Fury for two rounds.

In the changing room Fury starts muttering about ‘not being fit/thought he was sparring a heavy/wife had a ‘babby’ due/he’d had a long drive from Haslingden etc etc’ Grant told him to ‘shut his mouth’ (or similar) Fury makes some noise about ‘taking it outside’

You didn’t say that to Frank Grant.

Fury leaves the building Grant follows him outside stripped to the waist in the pouring rain and starts screaming at Fury to fight him, Fury gets in his van muttering about being knackered from the sparring, once again evoking his heavily pregnant wife and the impending ‘babby’, Grant kicks the van door tries to open it, Fury drives off.

I didn’t see this sadly BUT I do have it on good authority from numerous people who witnessed it, Fury went to Leeds to spar with Tom Collins and Carl Gaffney, LIGHTHEAVY Collins knocked him clean out wearing 16oz gloves.

By way of conclusion Gypsy John Partridge (it’s true I swear) is a liar, fantasist, bully and NOTHING like as hard as he would have you believe.

If Fat Mick has any sense, he’ll keep John well away from press conferences, cameras, interviews etc.

first class

what a ballbag he is - big john - big in the mouth and belly

[Teddy's Toupee]

someone, somewhere may have failed to see this gem before, and I'm giving like that:

No conjecture, gossip, rumour, badly researched online ‘articles’ FACTS from someone who knew John (we had the same manager at one point) and had the misfortune to spend time with him on many occasions.

Real Name:

The family name is actually PARTRIDGE not Fury.

Bare Knuckle ‘Career’:

Clearly these events are not recorded but as far as I know (and I’ve confirmed this with another Fury cohort) John was known to have a grand total of TWO organised bare knuckle fights, one was broken up by the Police, in the other both Fury and his opponent shook hands and called it a draw as they were both knackered.

Boxing Career:

NEVER scored a stoppage or a knockdown.

Beaten by a part time Rugby player.

Was ‘old manned’ in a Central Area title fight by the ancient cokehead Neil Malpass.

Was rendered unconscious for almost ten minutes by the relatively light hitting Akinwande.

He took a four year break after the Akinwande loss then made a comeback and took on Steve Garber (someone he’d previously beaten) after a decent first round he was systematically outboxed for two rounds before throwing his arms up in surrender and returning to his corner.

Sparring Stories:

He came over to John Celebanski’s gym in Bradford to spar with the aforementioned Steve Garber (this was after their first fight, before the second) Steve suffered a badly cut lower lip after two rounds and curtailed the sparring. MIDDLEWEIGHT Frank Grant asked if he could do a few rounds with Fury. Fury most insulted that a mere Middleweight would dare spar with him went in heavy, the sparring was ‘heated’ to say the least and Frank absolutely battered Fury for two rounds.

In the changing room Fury starts muttering about ‘not being fit/thought he was sparring a heavy/wife had a ‘babby’ due/he’d had a long drive from Haslingden etc etc’ Grant told him to ‘shut his mouth’ (or similar) Fury makes some noise about ‘taking it outside’

You didn’t say that to Frank Grant.

Fury leaves the building Grant follows him outside stripped to the waist in the pouring rain and starts screaming at Fury to fight him, Fury gets in his van muttering about being knackered from the sparring, once again evoking his heavily pregnant wife and the impending ‘babby’, Grant kicks the van door tries to open it, Fury drives off.

I didn’t see this sadly BUT I do have it on good authority from numerous people who witnessed it, Fury went to Leeds to spar with Tom Collins and Carl Gaffney, LIGHTHEAVY Collins knocked him clean out wearing 16oz gloves.

By way of conclusion Gypsy John Partridge (it’s true I swear) is a liar, fantasist, bully and NOTHING like as hard as he would have you believe.

If Fat Mick has any sense, he’ll keep John well away from press conferences, cameras, interviews etc.

Minicabs Mickey proclaims in a post that this morning Frank(Mickey's on first name terms with all the "Yorkshire Boys")told him this never ever happened.

[Glass Joe]

This is the same thing Frank said?

It probably won’t be for the WBC belt.

It will be for the ‘Lineal belt’

But then it might not count towards records?

If it’s not an exhibition.. then is it a pro fight. If yes, then it should count on records.

Course WBC will sanction it, sanction fees must be at least a million dollars.

[Ruthless-RKO]

This is the same thing Frank said?

It probably won’t be for the WBC belt.

It will be for the ‘Lineal belt’

But then it might not count towards records?

If it’s not an exhibition.. then is it a pro fight. If yes, then it should count on records.

Course WBC will sanction it, sanction fees must be at least a million dollars.

Not for the world.

They’ll create a belt though.

[polecateddy]

It’s only ten rounds but the WBC have endorsed it in the sense that they won’t strip Fury. Perhaps next year they’ll have to.

[Coco]

someone, somewhere may have failed to see this gem before, and I'm giving like that:

No conjecture, gossip, rumour, badly researched online ‘articles’ FACTS from someone who knew John (we had the same manager at one point) and had the misfortune to spend time with him on many occasions.

Real Name:

The family name is actually PARTRIDGE not Fury.

Bare Knuckle ‘Career’:

Clearly these events are not recorded but as far as I know (and I’ve confirmed this with another Fury cohort) John was known to have a grand total of TWO organised bare knuckle fights, one was broken up by the Police, in the other both Fury and his opponent shook hands and called it a draw as they were both knackered.

Boxing Career:

NEVER scored a stoppage or a knockdown.

Beaten by a part time Rugby player.

Was ‘old manned’ in a Central Area title fight by the ancient cokehead Neil Malpass.

Was rendered unconscious for almost ten minutes by the relatively light hitting Akinwande.

He took a four year break after the Akinwande loss then made a comeback and took on Steve Garber (someone he’d previously beaten) after a decent first round he was systematically outboxed for two rounds before throwing his arms up in surrender and returning to his corner.

Sparring Stories:

He came over to John Celebanski’s gym in Bradford to spar with the aforementioned Steve Garber (this was after their first fight, before the second) Steve suffered a badly cut lower lip after two rounds and curtailed the sparring. MIDDLEWEIGHT Frank Grant asked if he could do a few rounds with Fury. Fury most insulted that a mere Middleweight would dare spar with him went in heavy, the sparring was ‘heated’ to say the least and Frank absolutely battered Fury for two rounds.

In the changing room Fury starts muttering about ‘not being fit/thought he was sparring a heavy/wife had a ‘babby’ due/he’d had a long drive from Haslingden etc etc’ Grant told him to ‘shut his mouth’ (or similar) Fury makes some noise about ‘taking it outside’

You didn’t say that to Frank Grant.

Fury leaves the building Grant follows him outside stripped to the waist in the pouring rain and starts screaming at Fury to fight him, Fury gets in his van muttering about being knackered from the sparring, once again evoking his heavily pregnant wife and the impending ‘babby’, Grant kicks the van door tries to open it, Fury drives off.

I didn’t see this sadly BUT I do have it on good authority from numerous people who witnessed it, Fury went to Leeds to spar with Tom Collins and Carl Gaffney, LIGHTHEAVY Collins knocked him clean out wearing 16oz gloves.

By way of conclusion Gypsy John Partridge (it’s true I swear) is a liar, fantasist, bully and NOTHING like as hard as he would have you believe.

If Fat Mick has any sense, he’ll keep John well away from press conferences, cameras, interviews etc.

Pigg did this, prob the best post ever on boxrec, but since admitted he wrote it for fun.
However it did starts lot of genuine rumours.
It's also true that Mickey asked Frank Grant about it and Grant said it wasn't true.
But imo the greatest post of all time

[tonyevs]

Yep greatest post of all time.

And so in keeping with the Fury/Partridge take on reality too.

Luke Partridge just not got the same ring to it .. shame


*A partridge is similar to a duck mind.

[big lennox]

Interesting to read that some posters don't consider Fury to be a coward.

Surely, though, an experienced boxer (with height and reach advantages) taking on an opponent with a 0-0-0 in a boxing match is an act of cowardice?

[Coco]

Interesting to read that some posters don't consider Fury to be a coward.

Surely, though, an experienced boxer (with height and reach advantages) taking on an opponent with a 0-0-0 in a boxing match is an act of cowardice?

Or the act of someone securing a career high payday

[tonyevs]

Interesting to read that some posters don't consider Fury to be a coward.

Surely, though, an experienced boxer (with height and reach advantages) taking on an opponent with a 0-0-0 in a boxing match is an act of cowardice?

I wouldn't say it's cowardice.
He is just looking for free money .. we can't blame him if there enough Doofies/Dribbles/Mick's about who lap it up.

Boxing is in a bad place. Just look how UFC has done in the list of the top PPVs .. and look where the flagship heavies are on that list.

[big lennox]

Interesting to read that some posters don't consider Fury to be a coward.

Surely, though, an experienced boxer (with height and reach advantages) taking on an opponent with a 0-0-0 in a boxing match is an act of cowardice?

Or the act of someone securing a career high payday

It's a cowardly act. He could secure similar money to box Uysk in December or February, but instead chose to box someone who has no hope of defending himself. It really is appalling.

[Coco]

Interesting to read that some posters don't consider Fury to be a coward.

Surely, though, an experienced boxer (with height and reach advantages) taking on an opponent with a 0-0-0 in a boxing match is an act of cowardice?

I wouldn't say it's cowardice.
He is just looking for free money .. we can't blame him if there enough Doofies/Dribbles/Mick's about who lap it up.

Boxing is in a bad place. Just look how UFC has done in the list of the top PPVs .. and look where the flagship heavies are on that list.

In the UFC the fighters don't get a fair cut of the PPV pie, the likes of Ronda Rousey was doing big numbers, McGregor too.
So why do you think they want to box? Where they have no chance of winning?
Rousey hasn't earned retirement money whereas she made the UFC millions upon millions.

[Glass Joe]

can't wait for bunce and davies to call this the best cross over fight of the century

[mickey1975]

Is it fishy Tyson went to Dubai and the fight got made that day?

[HomicideHenry]

The hardest hitting human in history

Probably the hardest hitter as far as available participants are concerned. Meaning that I'm sure only a small percentage of people have ever truly been tested in such a way.

That being said, boxing power vs mma power is two different things. Even a statistically "feather fisted" boxer hits far harder than a guy on the street no matter how tough he is. Why? Technique, timing, muscle memory and punch form. Most boxers from childhood have been practicing punches. MMA guys haven't.

Ngannou has the boxing background, hasn't he? Anyway, he can hit hard, but overall he's mediocre for pro boxing.

I have no idea as to his background.

But, you can have the absolute best in mma but their overall boxing skillset is somewhere between journeyman and trialhorse level in boxing. That's basically 3 to 4 levels below Fury anyways.

Ngannou would've gotten absolutely wrecked by Chisora let alone Fury. That's how wide the disparity is. People bring up MacGregor vs Mayweather but all of us boxing guys know Floyd literally allowed the man to stand for 9 rounds before tee'ing off on him.

I don't mind the gimmick matches, but Fury shouldn't toy with the man like Floyd did. Just take him out asap and declare, "This is why boxing is the best combat sport and I'm the baddest man on the planet and Usyk now that I have my own deals in Saudi Arabia let's get it on."

[si7dog7]

There's no educating the Fury-fan-bois to the mug Fury is making them.

They still convinced he is a 100% Gypsy born in a caravan pulled from Ireland by the family horse .. not the fake born and raised in a house and mugging off everyone.

It's all Wilder this and Wilder that - but Wilder has done nothing of note except been able to knock over some 2nd and 3rd raters .. plus put Fury over a few times.

Yes boxing is a business - but our heroes also put back passion and respect into it. Fury just takes and takes.

Try Wlad, mix it up a bit. The two longest standing heavyweight champions of recent times.

How many ATG’s on either record?

[KiwiRider]

FW has somehow managed to change the story to that it is Usyk who is the one ducking and that they tried their best to make the fight and Usyk didn't want it.

Talksport and others don't even bother picking FW up on this and let him get away with it.

Fury is the ducker and he should be stripped. That belt has been tied up long enough.

Unfortunately Whyte was his mandatory, so that is taken care of the belt for a while

Was April 2022..

Yep, which given the WBC and their history with Wilder, that should keep thw belt safe for a bit longer. Whyte waited 3 years for his shot didn't he?