Fury. The legacy

[mickey1975]

I will happily go on record now and say I believe Ali would have beaten Usyk. Really sticking my neck out with that one, but it’s out there now.

Why do you insist on using the name Ali? It’s ridiculous. It’s Clay. It’s on his birth certificate. Utter fraud.

Why do you insist on using the name Tyson? Its ridiculous. Its Luke. Its on his birth certificate. Utter fraud.

Ray Robinson was at it as well. Should be deleted from the history books. Even our Coco’s opponent Jesse James was at it, he’s a friend of mine called Danny, I won’t speak to him again.

[tonyevs]

Why do you insist on using the name Ali? It’s ridiculous. It’s Clay. It’s on his birth certificate. Utter fraud.

Why do you insist on using the name Tyson? Its ridiculous. Its Luke. Its on his birth certificate. Utter fraud.

Ray Robinson was at it as well. Should be deleted from the history books. Even our Coco’s opponent Jesse James was at it, he’s a friend of mine called Danny, I won’t speak to him again.

I used to work with Ray Robinson. Only ever went by the name Ray .. so totally disagree there Mick.

[mickey1975]

Why do you insist on using the name Tyson? Its ridiculous. Its Luke. Its on his birth certificate. Utter fraud.

Ray Robinson was at it as well. Should be deleted from the history books. Even our Coco’s opponent Jesse James was at it, he’s a friend of mine called Danny, I won’t speak to him again.

I used to work with Ray Robinson. Only ever went by the name Ray .. so totally disagree there Mick.

The boxer, Sugar Ray Robinson? Did you? His real name was Walker Smith jr, mate. He's had you over.

[tonyevs]

Ray Robinson was at it as well. Should be deleted from the history books. Even our Coco’s opponent Jesse James was at it, he’s a friend of mine called Danny, I won’t speak to him again.

I used to work with Ray Robinson. Only ever went by the name Ray .. so totally disagree there Mick.

The boxer, Sugar Ray Robinson? Did you? His real name was Walker Smith jr, mate. He's had you over.

We knew him better as the fitter. Big old fella - liked his food. Married to Shirley?
Said him and his brother Mike (also a fitter) boxed when they were younger .. Mike had surname of Robinson too; so did Mike's kids; you saying Mike may not be his real name either?

Do you think his wife and kids know??

[mickey1975]

I used to work with Ray Robinson. Only ever went by the name Ray .. so totally disagree there Mick.

The boxer, Sugar Ray Robinson? Did you? His real name was Walker Smith jr, mate. He's had you over.

We knew him better as the fitter. Big old fella - liked his food. Married to Shirley?
Said him and his brother Mike (also a fitter) boxed when they were younger .. Mike had surname of Robinson too; so did Mike's kids; you saying Mike may not be his real name either?

Do you think his wife and kids know??

Ok, Tone. Don't give up the day job...

[jwfg]

I dislike Fury plenty, but why do you insist on calling him Luke? He boxes as and is known as Tyson Fury.

Because that's his name....... Luke Tyson Fury.

I’m aware what his name is.
He goes by the name Tyson Fury. He boxes as Tyson Fury. He calls himself Tyson Fury. His family call him Tyson Fury. His promotional team call him Tyson Fury. Everyone in boxing calls him Tyson Fury.
Usyk has referenced Luke v Tyson to explain that what people mostly see is a character, but other than that I can’t recall anyone calling him Luke for any reason other than attempting some kind of silly point scoring, which is how your use of the name reads to me.
If you say you call him Luke because you like to be respectful of his Christian name I’ll pretend to believe you and you have your fun.

BoxRec used to list his birth name on Luke Tyson Fury, but now they have incorrectly changed it to Tyson Luke Fury. I'm calling him Luke, because that's his name. It's not my fault that his parents named him Luke and then his father showed the world a fake birth certificate.

[mickey1975]

Because that's his name....... Luke Tyson Fury.

I’m aware what his name is.
He goes by the name Tyson Fury. He boxes as Tyson Fury. He calls himself Tyson Fury. His family call him Tyson Fury. His promotional team call him Tyson Fury. Everyone in boxing calls him Tyson Fury.
Usyk has referenced Luke v Tyson to explain that what people mostly see is a character, but other than that I can’t recall anyone calling him Luke for any reason other than attempting some kind of silly point scoring, which is how your use of the name reads to me.
If you say you call him Luke because you like to be respectful of his Christian name I’ll pretend to believe you and you have your fun.

BoxRec used to list his birth name on Luke Tyson Fury, but now they have incorrectly changed it to Tyson Luke Fury. I'm calling him Luke, because that's his name. It's not my fault that his parents named him Luke and then his father showed the world a fake birth certificate.

Do you insist on this with every boxer who does it? Or promoters? Did you call Mickey Duff by his original name? It must be difficult keeping up with them all.

[jwfg]

I’m aware what his name is.
He goes by the name Tyson Fury. He boxes as Tyson Fury. He calls himself Tyson Fury. His family call him Tyson Fury. His promotional team call him Tyson Fury. Everyone in boxing calls him Tyson Fury.
Usyk has referenced Luke v Tyson to explain that what people mostly see is a character, but other than that I can’t recall anyone calling him Luke for any reason other than attempting some kind of silly point scoring, which is how your use of the name reads to me.
If you say you call him Luke because you like to be respectful of his Christian name I’ll pretend to believe you and you have your fun.

BoxRec used to list his birth name on Luke Tyson Fury, but now they have incorrectly changed it to Tyson Luke Fury. I'm calling him Luke, because that's his name. It's not my fault that his parents named him Luke and then his father showed the world a fake birth certificate.

Do you insist on this with every boxer who does it? Or promoters? Did you call Mickey Duff by his original name? It must be difficult keeping up with them all.

I don't recall any other the other boxers parading a fake birth certificate. But I get it, Fury's your boy and no matter what, you have to defend his honour.

[leejonesjnr]

Because that's his name....... Luke Tyson Fury.

I’m aware what his name is.
He goes by the name Tyson Fury. He boxes as Tyson Fury. He calls himself Tyson Fury. His family call him Tyson Fury. His promotional team call him Tyson Fury. Everyone in boxing calls him Tyson Fury.
Usyk has referenced Luke v Tyson to explain that what people mostly see is a character, but other than that I can’t recall anyone calling him Luke for any reason other than attempting some kind of silly point scoring, which is how your use of the name reads to me.
If you say you call him Luke because you like to be respectful of his Christian name I’ll pretend to believe you and you have your fun.

BoxRec used to list his birth name on Luke Tyson Fury, but now they have incorrectly changed it to Tyson Luke Fury. I'm calling him Luke, because that's his name. It's not my fault that his parents named him Luke and then his father showed the world a fake birth certificate.

What a prick.
Another one for the ignore list.

[handsofstone]

Luke vs Femi

[mickey1975]

BoxRec used to list his birth name on Luke Tyson Fury, but now they have incorrectly changed it to Tyson Luke Fury. I'm calling him Luke, because that's his name. It's not my fault that his parents named him Luke and then his father showed the world a fake birth certificate.

Do you insist on this with every boxer who does it? Or promoters? Did you call Mickey Duff by his original name? It must be difficult keeping up with them all.

I don't recall any other the other boxers parading a fake birth certificate. But I get it, Fury's your boy and no matter what, you have to defend his honour.

How do you know it is fake? I'm not defending anyones honour, he can call himself whatever he likes, I guess Tyson is a great name to have in the boxing world so much better to use it even if it is his middle name. Shrewd marketing. Did you know Jack Dempsey was called William? Jack isn't even on his birth certificate.

[tonyevs]

I bet Jack Sparrow is fake too??

[jwfg]

Do you insist on this with every boxer who does it? Or promoters? Did you call Mickey Duff by his original name? It must be difficult keeping up with them all.

I don't recall any other the other boxers parading a fake birth certificate. But I get it, Fury's your boy and no matter what, you have to defend his honour.

I'm not defending anyones honour,

[Teddy's Toupee]

I don't recall any other the other boxers parading a fake birth certificate. But I get it, Fury's your boy and no matter what, you have to defend his honour.

I'm not defending anyones honour,

Minicabs Mickey is usually right keen on using the "Yorkshire Boys" boxers' proper names(no doubt tapping his "in the know" nose). Not so much with Luke Partridge, though.

[gp.]

Because that's his name....... Luke Tyson Fury.

I’m aware what his name is.
He goes by the name Tyson Fury. He boxes as Tyson Fury. He calls himself Tyson Fury. His family call him Tyson Fury. His promotional team call him Tyson Fury. Everyone in boxing calls him Tyson Fury.
Usyk has referenced Luke v Tyson to explain that what people mostly see is a character, but other than that I can’t recall anyone calling him Luke for any reason other than attempting some kind of silly point scoring, which is how your use of the name reads to me.
If you say you call him Luke because you like to be respectful of his Christian name I’ll pretend to believe you and you have your fun.

BoxRec used to list his birth name on Luke Tyson Fury, but now they have incorrectly changed it to Tyson Luke Fury. I'm calling him Luke, because that's his name. It's not my fault that his parents named him Luke and then his father showed the world a fake birth certificate.

Have you never come across anyone who gets called by their middle name before? Do you think there are some kind of regulations in place about which of your forenames you ought to be known by?

[jwfg]

I’m aware what his name is.
He goes by the name Tyson Fury. He boxes as Tyson Fury. He calls himself Tyson Fury. His family call him Tyson Fury. His promotional team call him Tyson Fury. Everyone in boxing calls him Tyson Fury.
Usyk has referenced Luke v Tyson to explain that what people mostly see is a character, but other than that I can’t recall anyone calling him Luke for any reason other than attempting some kind of silly point scoring, which is how your use of the name reads to me.
If you say you call him Luke because you like to be respectful of his Christian name I’ll pretend to believe you and you have your fun.

BoxRec used to list his birth name on Luke Tyson Fury, but now they have incorrectly changed it to Tyson Luke Fury. I'm calling him Luke, because that's his name. It's not my fault that his parents named him Luke and then his father showed the world a fake birth certificate.

Have you never come across anyone who gets called by their middle name before? Do you think there are some kind of regulations in place about which of your forenames you ought to be known by?

Not at all. I don't have a problem with anyone using any name. My issue is Luke Fury lies about his name, like he lies about everything else.

[gp.]

BoxRec used to list his birth name on Luke Tyson Fury, but now they have incorrectly changed it to Tyson Luke Fury. I'm calling him Luke, because that's his name. It's not my fault that his parents named him Luke and then his father showed the world a fake birth certificate.

Have you never come across anyone who gets called by their middle name before? Do you think there are some kind of regulations in place about which of your forenames you ought to be known by?

Not at all. I don't have a problem with anyone using any name. My issue is Luke Fury lies about his name, like he lies about everything else.

In what way does he "lie" about it? Does he deny that Luke is one of his forenames?

[jwfg]

Have you never come across anyone who gets called by their middle name before? Do you think there are some kind of regulations in place about which of your forenames you ought to be known by?

Not at all. I don't have a problem with anyone using any name. My issue is Luke Fury lies about his name, like he lies about everything else.

In what way does he "lie" about it? Does he deny that Luke is one of his forenames?

He lies by saying his name is Tyson Luke Fury, when it's actually Luke Tyson Fury. In fairness, he might not be lying, he might just be as thick as mince.

[gp.]

Not at all. I don't have a problem with anyone using any name. My issue is Luke Fury lies about his name, like he lies about everything else.

In what way does he "lie" about it? Does he deny that Luke is one of his forenames?

He lies by saying his name is Tyson Luke Fury, when it's actually Luke Tyson Fury. In fairness, he might not be lying, he might just be as thick as mince.

Does he? Have you any evidence that he lies about that? "Lies", in that tense, not that he might once have said it in passing 15 years ago.

Even if true, why on earth do you care? It's hardly important. Do you know anyone who, in their life, has never lied about anything which is so trivial and really not anybody else's business?

I don't care one way or the other about Tyson Fury, but when you see someone who is obessesed about some utterly trivial thing like this and won't shut up about it, it makes me (and others) think "Well if that's the worst thing Fury has done, he can't be that bad". It's counter productive to the point you are trying to make. If you think Fury has done bad things, talk about them, not this, which is not something anyone in their right mind would care about.

[Finkel]

we are at the end by the looks of it !

Correct!!!

Agreed. I know Gareth A Davies says this is all building towards Fury vs Uysk, but he said the same thing before abd after Fury boxed Chisora again.

So, the pro's:

*Agile, talented boxer with quick hands, feet and a quick mind.

*Beat Klitschko and Wilder.

*Showed bravery to come off the floor in 4 fights and win

*Overcame a bad cut to win

*Great self publicist.

*Came back from a huge backlash from the press for unsavoury comments.

Cons:

*Failed a PED test and uses Connor Benn's doctor..

*Avoided Uysk
*Avoided Joshua
*Avoided Ruiz
*Avoided a rematch with Wlad
*Cherry picked a number of opponents with no chance against him
*Now boxing a non boxer, who is at least 37 and has had a bad knee instead of taking part in the biggest Heavyweight fight ever.
*Lost the considerable respect he had built up in the eyes of his peers and the general public.

Conclusion:

*Made a lot of money
*Provided entertainment along the way.
*Provided frustration along the way. *Mercurial character.
*Calculated.
*Risk adverse.
*The highs are now balanced out by the significant lows.
*Not an all time great.
*Wasted his boxing talent when it comes to securing what could have been a superb boxing legacy.

That last line is the saddest thing about all this

[Counter-puncher]

Not at all. I don't have a problem with anyone using any name. My issue is Luke Fury lies about his name, like he lies about everything else.

In what way does he "lie" about it? Does he deny that Luke is one of his forenames?

He lies by saying his name is Tyson Luke Fury, when it's actually Luke Tyson Fury. In fairness, he might not be lying, he might just be as thick as mince.

you're off your fucken head, being bothered by it in the slightest. like, it makes you look like a fucken freak, just FYI mate.

[big lennox]

Correct!!!

Agreed. I know Gareth A Davies says this is all building towards Fury vs Uysk, but he said the same thing before abd after Fury boxed Chisora again.

So, the pro's:

*Agile, talented boxer with quick hands, feet and a quick mind.

*Beat Klitschko and Wilder.

*Showed bravery to come off the floor in 4 fights and win

*Overcame a bad cut to win

*Great self publicist.

*Came back from a huge backlash from the press for unsavoury comments.

Cons:

*Failed a PED test and uses Connor Benn's doctor..

*Avoided Uysk
*Avoided Joshua
*Avoided Ruiz
*Avoided a rematch with Wlad
*Cherry picked a number of opponents with no chance against him
*Now boxing a non boxer, who is at least 37 and has had a bad knee instead of taking part in the biggest Heavyweight fight ever.
*Lost the considerable respect he had built up in the eyes of his peers and the general public.

Conclusion:

*Made a lot of money
*Provided entertainment along the way.
*Provided frustration along the way. *Mercurial character.
*Calculated.
*Risk adverse.
*The highs are now balanced out by the significant lows.
*Not an all time great.
*Wasted his boxing talent when it comes to securing what could have been a superb boxing legacy.

That last line is the saddest thing about all this

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