Tyson Fury vs. Francis Ngannou | TNT PPV - 28 October 2023

[tonyevs]

He's a human headline.

He is definitely not a genius!

Fury has twice managed to destroy his reputation and image; he is a pariah brand.
Netflix are the only ones interested in using him, so that highlights his toxicity .. but they also do shows with RuPaul, Beverly Hills housewives and some fella called Phil Rosenthal eating food on holidays ..

As heavyweight champion it should be easy to get top sponsors - instead he walks around in TK Maxx last season designer stuff or cheap tat with his Gypsy King logo on.

The guy is a moron.

Only Netflix? They are the biggest streaming service in the world! He did ITV a few years ago. Claiming Netflix are small is one of the most bizarre things I have ever heard on here.

Claiming I have said Netflix are small is right up there with your most bizarre posts Mick ... time for you to go to SpecSavers mate (or maybe get some reading lessons if its not your eyes)

[tonyevs]

He's a human headline.

He is definitely not a genius!

Fury has twice managed to destroy his reputation and image; he is a pariah brand.
Netflix are the only ones interested in using him, so that highlights his toxicity .. but they also do shows with RuPaul, Beverly Hills housewives and some fella called Phil Rosenthal eating food on holidays ..

As heavyweight champion it should be easy to get top sponsors - instead he walks around in TK Maxx last season designer stuff or cheap tat with his Gypsy King logo on.

The guy is a moron.

The trailer for Tyson Fury’s new Netflix documentary series has made fans do a double take after accidentally misreading the title.

The trailer for the nine-episode series dropped on Wednesday (19 July), but many viewers admitted that they’d misread or misheard the title of At Home with the Furys as “At Home with the Furries”.

Furries are a fan subculture who like to cosplay as anthropomorphic animals. They often dress up in large, cartoonish fursuits, with many attributing a sexual fetish element to their fandom.

“When I thought ‘At Home with the Furys’ I literally thought the show would be about living with furries,” one viewer said.

“...Glad this wasn’t what I thought it was,” one relieved fan said, while another wrote: “The title looked super different.”

“I really thought this was about to be a Furry documentary,” one commenter wrote.

“Naww I misread it :( that would have been a rollercoaster,” another said.

“Lol I didn’t read it fast enough,” one fan joked.

“Imagine a netflix series titled ‘At home with the Furries’. I would watch that,” another viewer joked.

I bet they were proper disappointed it is about the Fury`s

*On the Furries thing.
A few years back I did a urgent MH assessment for someone referred in. During the assessment the person mentioned about the Furry-thing hobby, and I had no idea what it was and made a throwaway comment about being interested in seeing it etc.
When person turned up for follow up appointment the following week he was wearing a grey dog costume. He stood the entire time - afterwards my colleague explained why he had most likely stood by explaining how the tail is typically fitted in the costumes ..

[Nightmare Roy]

Why bring up that tramp Mayweather? The mans resume is full of bums. That fool thinks he can help out the Zimbabwe people

Joshua has been avoiding Fury and Wilder his entire bummy career. lol he can't even be a name in America


*B*MS

Mayweather has beaten dozens of world class fighters, Fury 1 maybe 2.

[gilgamesh]

No one at the PBC likes Dan, they just use him to put out propaganda.

I've had a handful of interactions with Dan on Twitter, and he really is an asshole.

Some Boxing people are cool, but Dan Rafael acts like he's somehow special and more knowledgeable than you about it all.

agree - consistently comes across a totally irritating know all twat that doesnt know all !

That's exactly what made him so unlikable. He'd usually get all defensive, and try to pull rank on me when it was me that was right

[deadpan]

I've had a handful of interactions with Dan on Twitter, and he really is an asshole.

Some Boxing people are cool, but Dan Rafael acts like he's somehow special and more knowledgeable than you about it all.

agree - consistently comes across a totally irritating know all twat that doesnt know all !

That's exactly what made him so unlikable. He'd usually get all defensive, and try to pull rank on me when it was me that was right

He's always given me an air of the rotund high school loner whose revenge on the world has been to claw his way to a certain status where he finally gets to be a prick on his terms. Still, preferable to him turning up on Prom Night with an AK-47.

[big lennox]

I think this is a brilliant (and measured)summing up by Boxing News:

https://www.boxingnewsonline.net/editor ... k-in-time/

[quickeyg]

Why bring up that tramp Mayweather? The mans resume is full of bums. That fool thinks he can help out the Zimbabwe people

Joshua has been avoiding Fury and Wilder his entire bummy career. lol he can't even be a name in America


*B*MS

Mayweather has beaten dozens of world class fighters, Fury 1 maybe 2.

Hernandez, Manfredy, Castillo, Sosa, N'Dou, Bruseles, Gatti, Judah, Hatton all S**T.

[gilgamesh]

Why bring up that tramp Mayweather? The mans resume is full of bums. That fool thinks he can help out the Zimbabwe people

Joshua has been avoiding Fury and Wilder his entire bummy career. lol he can't even be a name in America


*B*MS

Mayweather has beaten dozens of world class fighters, Fury 1 maybe 2.

Hernandez, Manfredy, Castillo, Sosa, N'Dou, Bruseles, Gatti, Judah, Hatton all S**T.

Spoken like a man who's a poor judge of talent.

[Coco]

Canelo was sh*t too

[Coco]

Pac Man was sh*t too

[Coco]

But McGregor was a quality win, no wonder it was a career high purse

[Teddy's Toupee]

Canelo was sh*t too

Not as crap as Cotto.

[HomicideHenry]

And unlike most people on this forum I am of the belief that Fury is merely having fun, while playing psychological games and being fiscally smart. He will face Usyk, eventually. People just need to get a grip on themselves. Mayweather waiting 5 years until Manny lost before fighting him is far and away more egregious than what's going on between Fury and Usyk.

To be honest Henry, you are the type of casual boxing fan that Fury relies on.

Mayweather fought loads of great fighters - Fury has fought maybe 1 .. huge difference.

#1- The last ppv I bought of Fury was the 3rd Wilder fight. If I'm what he relies on he'd be a poor man because I sure didn't buy Whyte or Chisora, and I sure never bought the vast majority events he's ever been in. I always saw them the day after on YouTube or on some illegal stream. And, as stated before I'm not buying Fury-Ngannou because its in the Middle East. And I won't buy other Fury fights in the Middle East either.

#2- In defense of Fury, though... how many "good" or "great" fighters are there even at heavyweight? Id venture to say the only one since Klitschko has been Usyk, and he was only unified champion a year or so ago. Fury fought two that were the most relevant in the United States or around the world in Wladimir Klitschko and Deontay Wilder. Both when they were champions, on foreign soil. Nobody in America but diehard fans really knew who Anthony Joshua was when he fought Ruiz, and even less knew who Oleksandr Usyk was. They were big in Europe, but little known anywhere else. So in one sense, Fury already did make the name for himself off the two biggest, well known names in the markets that actually mattered.

#3- I've never heard anyone say, "No," flat out to fighting Usyk. Fury's made his own deal in Saudi just like Usyk has made his own deal in Saudi. Usyk is stuck with mandatories. Fury is having no mandatory forced on him. So why not an easy money cash grab until either a mandatory is forced or until Usyk is available? I'm pretty positive that the two men will fight in 2024, provided Usyk beats Dubois and Hrgovic because the IBF is not going to step aside. If Usyk did pursue Fury at this point he'd be stripped of the IBF belt and it would no longer be for undisputed. Have some patience.

[Ruthless-RKO]

This will be 10 rounds. 10oz gloves.

Boxing rules

[Teddy's Toupee]

Homi: "Mmm..Mmm, Fury's shit sure tastes like chocolate souffle to me."

[HomicideHenry]

Homi: "Mmm..Mmm, Fury's shit sure tastes like chocolate souffle to me."

There you go with your homo erotic fantasies again. Besides, your tongue is so far up Usyk's ass you could clean the gap between his teeth.

[Teddy's Toupee]

Homi: "Mmm..Mmm, Fury's shit sure tastes like chocolate souffle to me."

There you go with your homo erotic fantasies again. Besides, your tongue is so far up Usyk's ass you could clean the gap between his teeth.

Find a post where I perform oral anilingus upon Usyk.

[tonyevs]

And unlike most people on this forum I am of the belief that Fury is merely having fun, while playing psychological games and being fiscally smart. He will face Usyk, eventually. People just need to get a grip on themselves. Mayweather waiting 5 years until Manny lost before fighting him is far and away more egregious than what's going on between Fury and Usyk.

To be honest Henry, you are the type of casual boxing fan that Fury relies on.

Mayweather fought loads of great fighters - Fury has fought maybe 1 .. huge difference.

#1- The last ppv I bought of Fury was the 3rd Wilder fight. If I'm what he relies on he'd be a poor man because I sure didn't buy Whyte or Chisora, and I sure never bought the vast majority events he's ever been in. I always saw them the day after on YouTube or on some illegal stream. And, as stated before I'm not buying Fury-Ngannou because its in the Middle East. And I won't buy other Fury fights in the Middle East either.

#2- In defense of Fury, though... how many "good" or "great" fighters are there even at heavyweight? Id venture to say the only one since Klitschko has been Usyk, and he was only unified champion a year or so ago. Fury fought two that were the most relevant in the United States or around the world in Wladimir Klitschko and Deontay Wilder. Both when they were champions, on foreign soil. Nobody in America but diehard fans really knew who Anthony Joshua was when he fought Ruiz, and even less knew who Oleksandr Usyk was. They were big in Europe, but little known anywhere else. So in one sense, Fury already did make the name for himself off the two biggest, well known names in the markets that actually mattered.

#3- I've never heard anyone say, "No," flat out to fighting Usyk. Fury's made his own deal in Saudi just like Usyk has made his own deal in Saudi. Usyk is stuck with mandatories. Fury is having no mandatory forced on him. So why not an easy money cash grab until either a mandatory is forced or until Usyk is available? I'm pretty positive that the two men will fight in 2024, provided Usyk beats Dubois and Hrgovic because the IBF is not going to step aside. If Usyk did pursue Fury at this point he'd be stripped of the IBF belt and it would no longer be for undisputed. Have some patience.

#2 - I guess we do actually agree on one thing - that Fury is not `great' .. i would however describe him as a `good' contemporary heavyweight. But i agree that compared to Klitschko and Usyk in the P4P league he isn`t on the same level.

#3 - if Usyk fights and beats Hrgovic after Dubois, then after just 2 years as heavyweight champion Usyk will have a better heavyweight record than Fury has had in the last 8yrs he has had whilst claiming to be lineal champion.

[BigDoofus]

Homi: "Mmm..Mmm, Fury's shit sure tastes like chocolate souffle to me."

There you go with your homo erotic fantasies again. Besides, your tongue is so far up Usyk's ass you could clean the gap between his teeth.

The guy has already had warnings for talking about hairy ar$eholes. He just can’t help himself.

[Teddy's Toupee]

Homi: "Mmm..Mmm, Fury's shit sure tastes like chocolate souffle to me."

There you go with your homo erotic fantasies again. Besides, your tongue is so far up Usyk's ass you could clean the gap between his teeth.

The guy has already had warnings for talking about hairy ar$eholes. He just can’t help himself.

"Sir! Sir! Teddy's Toupee's being rude again, sir!"

[Steveh583]

Why bring up that tramp Mayweather? The mans resume is full of bums. That fool thinks he can help out the Zimbabwe people

Joshua has been avoiding Fury and Wilder his entire bummy career. lol he can't even be a name in America


*B*MS

Mayweather has beaten dozens of world class fighters, Fury 1 maybe 2.

Hernandez, Manfredy, Castillo, Sosa, N'Dou, Bruseles, Gatti, Judah, Hatton all S**T.

Judah was NOT shit. Or Castillo.

[Finkel]

And unlike most people on this forum I am of the belief that Fury is merely having fun, while playing psychological games and being fiscally smart. He will face Usyk, eventually. People just need to get a grip on themselves. Mayweather waiting 5 years until Manny lost before fighting him is far and away more egregious than what's going on between Fury and Usyk.

To be honest Henry, you are the type of casual boxing fan that Fury relies on.

Mayweather fought loads of great fighters - Fury has fought maybe 1 .. huge difference.

#2- In defense of Fury, though... how many "good" or "great" fighters are there even at heavyweight? Id venture to say the only one since Klitschko has been Usyk, and he was only unified champion a year or so ago. Fury fought two that were the most relevant in the United States or around the world in Wladimir Klitschko and Deontay Wilder. Both when they were champions, on foreign soil. Nobody in America but diehard fans really knew who Anthony Joshua was when he fought Ruiz, and even less knew who Oleksandr Usyk was. They were big in Europe, but little known anywhere else. So in one sense, Fury already did make the name for himself off the two biggest, well known names in the markets that actually mattered.

Without making this thread about Anthony Joshua, as someone who has been living in Japan the last decade, what you wrote makes no sense to me.

Boxing is a global sport now, and Joshua, alongside Canelo, was the global face of the sport for a number of years.

Joshua was also a global face of Under Armour at the same time Steph Curry had cemented himself as a superstar in the NBA. You would go into sports stores in Japan and see giant cutouts and posters of Joshua. Now, I would agree that probably only boxing fans would know who he was by name, but people would put two and two together when his fights were discussed in the sports pages of Japanese newspapers. I also gather he was very popular in countries like Nigeria. Also, doesn't Joshua hold the record for selling out Madison Square Garden in record time. So, basically, we are talking about a fighter who had a degree of recognition on every continent. So, it is more than a little strange to read anyone downplay his popularity in connection with Oleksandr Usyk, and in contrast to Wilder.

In contrast, before Fury fought Wilder, no one really knew who Wilder was in America outside of Alabama and the hardcore fans. Fury v Wilder was Wilder's first pay-per-view, so he obviously wasn't very popular even in the American market. He certainly wasn't breaking records at the MSG.

Basically, Joshua was far more relevant around the world than Deontay Wilder ever has been. Fury doesn't have to fight Joshua, certainly not now he isn't a belt holder, but it's not really a good excuse given Fury chose not to fight Joshua when offered the Wembley date in April 2019 - when Joshua was almost universally regarded as the #1 heavyweight in the world, and at the height of his global popularity.

edit: To your point of Fury's resume. Actually, I'll throw in that am very glad Whyte finally got his opportunity to fight for the title, and credit is due for that defence. But Fury does not get a pass for only having 1 great name, 1 good name, and 1 okay name on his resume. And certainly not because he fought the same American on American soil three times.

[HomicideHenry]

To be honest Henry, you are the type of casual boxing fan that Fury relies on.

Mayweather fought loads of great fighters - Fury has fought maybe 1 .. huge difference.

#1- The last ppv I bought of Fury was the 3rd Wilder fight. If I'm what he relies on he'd be a poor man because I sure didn't buy Whyte or Chisora, and I sure never bought the vast majority events he's ever been in. I always saw them the day after on YouTube or on some illegal stream. And, as stated before I'm not buying Fury-Ngannou because its in the Middle East. And I won't buy other Fury fights in the Middle East either.

#2- In defense of Fury, though... how many "good" or "great" fighters are there even at heavyweight? Id venture to say the only one since Klitschko has been Usyk, and he was only unified champion a year or so ago. Fury fought two that were the most relevant in the United States or around the world in Wladimir Klitschko and Deontay Wilder. Both when they were champions, on foreign soil. Nobody in America but diehard fans really knew who Anthony Joshua was when he fought Ruiz, and even less knew who Oleksandr Usyk was. They were big in Europe, but little known anywhere else. So in one sense, Fury already did make the name for himself off the two biggest, well known names in the markets that actually mattered.

#3- I've never heard anyone say, "No," flat out to fighting Usyk. Fury's made his own deal in Saudi just like Usyk has made his own deal in Saudi. Usyk is stuck with mandatories. Fury is having no mandatory forced on him. So why not an easy money cash grab until either a mandatory is forced or until Usyk is available? I'm pretty positive that the two men will fight in 2024, provided Usyk beats Dubois and Hrgovic because the IBF is not going to step aside. If Usyk did pursue Fury at this point he'd be stripped of the IBF belt and it would no longer be for undisputed. Have some patience.

#2 - I guess we do actually agree on one thing - that Fury is not `great' .. i would however describe him as a `good' contemporary heavyweight. But i agree that compared to Klitschko and Usyk in the P4P league he isn`t on the same level.

#3 - if Usyk fights and beats Hrgovic after Dubois, then after just 2 years as heavyweight champion Usyk will have a better heavyweight record than Fury has had in the last 8yrs he has had whilst claiming to be lineal champion.

Personally I already see Fury as the best heavyweight of his era, but he will not be a certifiable great until he faces and defeats Usyk. As for the Dubois/Hrgovic comment, I disagree. They are European level heavyweights at best in the grand scheme of things. If ratings were more fair they'd of been in the top 25-15 rather than the top 10. But since there is such stagnation in today's heavyweight division any little momentum is a giant leap.

That's how I was able to predict that Joyce was going to lose to Zhang. Not because Zhang is good or great, because he's not. But because Joyce never quite moved beyond that European level, and Zhang basically just edged out into the upper echelon of European/Asian levels. But neither are genuinely world class. Which is why I give Joyce a good chance at reversing the loss because in reality Zhang is not really that far ahead of Joyce anyways.

Hrgovic arguably lost to Zhang. Let's not forget. So really Dubois and Hrgovic don't really compare to the Joshua wins let alone Fury's win over Dillian Whyte. It's just an "average" title defense, like when Muhammad Ali went to Europe and knocked over Brian London and Henry Cooper and Karl Mildenberger.

[HomicideHenry]

To be honest Henry, you are the type of casual boxing fan that Fury relies on.

Mayweather fought loads of great fighters - Fury has fought maybe 1 .. huge difference.

#2- In defense of Fury, though... how many "good" or "great" fighters are there even at heavyweight? Id venture to say the only one since Klitschko has been Usyk, and he was only unified champion a year or so ago. Fury fought two that were the most relevant in the United States or around the world in Wladimir Klitschko and Deontay Wilder. Both when they were champions, on foreign soil. Nobody in America but diehard fans really knew who Anthony Joshua was when he fought Ruiz, and even less knew who Oleksandr Usyk was. They were big in Europe, but little known anywhere else. So in one sense, Fury already did make the name for himself off the two biggest, well known names in the markets that actually mattered.

Without making this thread about Anthony Joshua, as someone who has been living in Japan the last decade, what you wrote makes no sense to me.

Boxing is a global sport now, and Joshua, alongside Canelo, was the global face of the sport for a number of years.

Joshua was also a global face of Under Armour at the same time Steph Curry had cemented himself as a superstar in the NBA. You would go into sports stores in Japan and see giant cutouts and posters of Joshua. Now, I would agree that probably only boxing fans would know who he was by name, but people would put two and two together when his fights were discussed in the sports pages of Japanese newspapers. I also gather he was very popular in countries like Nigeria. Also, doesn't Joshua hold the record for selling out Madison Square Garden in record time. So, basically, we are talking about a fighter who had a degree of recognition on every continent. So, it is more than a little strange to read anyone downplay his popularity in connection with Oleksandr Usyk, and in contrast to Wilder.

In contrast, before Fury fought Wilder, no one really knew who Wilder was in America outside of Alabama and the hardcore fans. Fury v Wilder was Wilder's first pay-per-view, so he obviously wasn't very popular even in the American market. He certainly wasn't breaking records at the MSG.

Basically, Joshua was far more relevant around the world than Deontay Wilder ever has been. Fury doesn't have to fight Joshua, certainly not now he isn't a belt holder, but it's not really a good excuse given Fury chose not to fight Joshua when offered the Wembley date in April 2019 - when Joshua was almost universally regarded as the #1 heavyweight in the world, and at the height of his global popularity.

edit: To your point of Fury's resume. Actually, I'll throw in that am very glad Whyte finally got his opportunity to fight for the title, and credit is due for that defence. But Fury does not get a pass for only having 1 great name, 1 good name, and 1 okay name on his resume. And certainly not because he fought the same American on American soil three times.

In America, Joshua was virtually unknown. I know that MSG sounds like an achievement to sell out but in reality it hasn't been the mecca of arenas in several decades. New York isn't the fight destination it was in the 70s, etc.

And yes it's very interesting seeing commercials in the UK and elsewhere with Joshua in them. Makes me remember the good old days when Foreman, Leonard, Palomino, etc were in commercials all the time. However, being seen in Europe or Japan is something completely different than being seen in America.

Joshua always was sold to the American public, on the rare occasion he was brought up, as the pretender to the crown and that Fury was the true champion. And although Wilder did have difficulty selling out arenas here in America he was still better known than Joshua was here because a lot of his matches were on cable television and prior to the first Fury fight he was hitting his stride after beating Luis Ortiz.

It is funny how marketing and branding work. How somebody can be really well known elsewhere in the world and basically go unnoticed in other places. Joshua-Fury wouldn't have done insane numbers in the United States, but would have in Great Britain. It would have done numbers comparable to the Wilder fights perhaps, but only off the strength of the Fury-Wilder trilogy.

[tonyevs]

Wayyyyy too long again Henry - please summarise