Has Crawford surpassed Mayweather?

[DrDuke]

I've found an interesting topic in the discussion of the Crawford-Spence masterclass.

I bit historic thread, but we are obviously rating the current Crawford, since we aren't visionaries, so it's in this section.

[ironbeard]

I agree with those who feel TCraw would defeat FMJ at welter.

Also, TCraw is as complete a fighter as there has been in over 30 years, imo.

[margaret thatcher]

floyd has a better resume overall, but craw wins at 147 for me

[gregregegg]

I think prime craw beats prime mayweather... much bigger, much stronger and nearly as sneaky. But i dont know if he has "surpassed him" due to a weaker resume.

Hope craw just cuts loose these last couple years of his carrer to make up for some weak but dominant mid carrer fights and finds his ceiling.

Craw vs Boots 147 undisputed -> craw vs Charlo for 154 undisputed->Craw vs Big charlo 160 belt -> craw vs canelo 168 undisputed.

Theres my dream run for craw. might have to give up some splits % to get near it and im not sure he could win it all, but i wanna see him pushed.

[Ruthless-RKO]

Yea

[DrDuke]

In terms of talent Crawford is better. He simply looks complete. Mayweather didn't switch so easily and frequently between the offensive and defensive styles.

Of course, Mayweather has more greater names in his list and he was way more popular in his time, but ironically Crawford brings more spectacle.

[ironbeard]

In terms of talent Crawford is better. He simply looks complete. Mayweather didn't switch so easily and frequently between the offensive and defensive styles.

Of course, Mayweather has more greater names in his list and he was way more popular in his time, but ironically Crawford brings more spectacle.

. . . by a light year.

[Cent0089]

Probably not surpassed, but that win over Spence is better than any win Mayweather had IMO

[chris123]

I’m still taking Floyd overall, but in terms of an individual win/performance - can anyone think of any over the last ten years that are close to what Crawford did tonight? Rigo-Donaire? Floyd-Canelo?

[Cent0089]

I think Crawford can surpass 50-0 record if he isnt going to face Beterbiev at light heavy lol. But collecting wins over undefeated prospects and challengers at 147 by defending belts and then move to 154 for undisputed seems logical

[DrDuke]

I think Crawford can surpass 50-0 record if he isnt going to face Beterbiev at light heavy lol. But collecting wins over undefeated prospects and challengers at 147 by defending belts and then move to 154 for undisputed seems logical

If he increases his activity, he can. He fights once in a year for 3 years. He should at least double it.

[gilgamesh]

I think he's right on par with him already, and I feel like he could easily hand Jermell Charlo just as thorough an ass whooping, and add another title to his mantle, and give himself that much more of a claim to be in that conversation.

I don't think it necessarily matters if he winds up with more wins than Mayweather so long as he has at least 3 or 4 more marquee wins to his ledger. I see no reason why he couldn't clean up any stragglers at 147 (Boots, Thurman) and then move on to 154 to face the likes of Charlo and Tim Tszyu. From there he can probably call it a career honestly. I think he'll have proven enough.

[DrDuke]

If we look at the Mayweather's best wins, those would be over the past prime opponents, although still credible. Pac, Oscar, Mosley - these guys definitely weren't at their peaks. Crawford defeated the prime Spence, Postol, Gamboa and it's even fair to consider Porter, since he retired at the top of his game.

[gilgamesh]

If we look at the Mayweather's best wins, those would be over the past prime opponents, although still credible. Pac, Oscar, Mosley - these guys definitely weren't at their peaks. Crawford defeated the prime Spence, Postol, Gamboa and it's even fair to consider Porter, since he retired at the top of his game.

Indeed. That's why I'd already put him on par with Mayweather's achievements even with 10 less wins. If he's not equal to him he's right there on his heels, and a few more marquee wins to me seals it.

Just like Mayweather had already surpassed Marciano well before his 50th bout.

You don't need more wins. You just need better wins.

Although. Let's be honest here. Prime for Prime. Spence ain't got sh*t on Pacquiao. So Pacquiao is a bigger name to have beaten, but yes he wasn't prime when Mayweather beat him.

After tonight though. I'm not so sure Pac couldn't have beaten Spence in say 2019 or 2018.

[armageto]

If we look at the Mayweather's best wins, those would be over the past prime opponents, although still credible. Pac, Oscar, Mosley - these guys definitely weren't at their peaks. Crawford defeated the prime Spence, Postol, Gamboa and it's even fair to consider Porter, since he retired at the top of his game.

Mayweather's best wins have to include Castillo, Corrales, and Canelo.

[gilgamesh]

If we look at the Mayweather's best wins, those would be over the past prime opponents, although still credible. Pac, Oscar, Mosley - these guys definitely weren't at their peaks. Crawford defeated the prime Spence, Postol, Gamboa and it's even fair to consider Porter, since he retired at the top of his game.

Mayweather's best wins have to include Castillo, Corrales, and Canelo.

Castillo is one of the better guys he has a win over, but it's certainly not one of his better performances. Even the rematch.

Corrales and Canelo he totally schooled. He also looked unstoppable vs Gatti and Ndou.

He dominated guys like Sharmba Mitchell, which is nothing to scoff at. I'd say even past prime Pac certainly has to be considered one of his marquee wins. Top 5 no doubt. Probably Top 3.

Mayweather's single biggest win to me is the De La Hoya win. Because that's the one that made him a megastar. Might not be the biggest one historically, but he doesn't become "Money May" without that one.

[DrDuke]

Yeah, overall May obviousy has more big names, but with his mouth he made some of those wins greater than those should have been. In his era there were more stars and May doubled the value of wins over those with a help of his self-promotion. Crawford criminally lacks the mainstream recogniion, while his performances are more interesting to watch than the Mayweather's ones.

[gilgamesh]

Yeah, overall May obviousy has more big names, but with his mouth he made some of those wins greater than those should have been. In his era there were more stars and May doubled the value of wins over those with a help of his self-promotion. Crawford criminally lacks the mainstream recogniion, while his performances are more interesting to watch than the Mayweather's ones.

Crawford is definitely more of a finisher than Mayweather that's for goddamn sure.

[armageto]

If we look at the Mayweather's best wins, those would be over the past prime opponents, although still credible. Pac, Oscar, Mosley - these guys definitely weren't at their peaks. Crawford defeated the prime Spence, Postol, Gamboa and it's even fair to consider Porter, since he retired at the top of his game.

Mayweather's best wins have to include Castillo, Corrales, and Canelo.

Castillo is one of the better guys he has a win over, but it's certainly not one of his better performances. Even the rematch.

Corrales and Canelo he totally schooled. He also looked unstoppable vs Gatti and Ndou.

He dominated guys like Sharmba Mitchell, which is nothing to scoff at. I'd say even past prime Pac certainly has to be considered one of his marquee wins. Top 5 no doubt. Probably Top 3.

Mayweather's single biggest win to me is the De La Hoya win. Because that's the one that made him a megastar. Might not be the biggest one historically, but he doesn't become "Money May" without that one.

DrDuke, to me, was saying best wins as in the opponents he faced, not performances. At least that's the way I took it. Hoya was his biggest win, as you said, it gave him popularity and cross over appeal. Opponent wise, at the time, I wouldn't say Oscar was the best boxer he faced, at that time of his career.

[gregregegg]

If we look at the Mayweather's best wins, those would be over the past prime opponents, although still credible. Pac, Oscar, Mosley - these guys definitely weren't at their peaks. Crawford defeated the prime Spence, Postol, Gamboa and it's even fair to consider Porter, since he retired at the top of his game.

I honestly think Spence and porter were past prime. Not by age but I think by wear and tear they were over the hill a bit.

[Sweet Dick Willie]

No way.

[gilgamesh]

Mayweather's best wins have to include Castillo, Corrales, and Canelo.

Castillo is one of the better guys he has a win over, but it's certainly not one of his better performances. Even the rematch.

Corrales and Canelo he totally schooled. He also looked unstoppable vs Gatti and Ndou.

He dominated guys like Sharmba Mitchell, which is nothing to scoff at. I'd say even past prime Pac certainly has to be considered one of his marquee wins. Top 5 no doubt. Probably Top 3.

Mayweather's single biggest win to me is the De La Hoya win. Because that's the one that made him a megastar. Might not be the biggest one historically, but he doesn't become "Money May" without that one.

DrDuke, to me, was saying best wins as in the opponents he faced, not performances. At least that's the way I took it. Hoya was his biggest win, as you said, it gave him popularity and cross over appeal. Opponent wise, at the time, I wouldn't say Oscar was the best boxer he faced, at that time of his career.

Yeah I'd agree. The stiffest test he faced as far as Top Fighter in his prime would probably have to be Castillo to be honest, and those bouts are 115-111 Castillo and 115-113 Mayweather respectively for me.

So even in the rematch Mayweather didn't win as clearly as he'd lost the 1st one IMO.

As far as a dominant performance against a guy that was a perceived equal. I'd say it's gotta be his win over Corrales.

[Post 4 Post]

Not in all time rankings but as a Welterweight (Champion) he has accomplished more. Also has more skills & ability!

Floyd may have the names but somehow lacks the wins. Winning a forgettable lazy sparring session against a faded Manny doesn't stack up to stopping hungry, relevant, prime respectable fighters in Horn, Porter & Spence.

Floyd never dared to put on a performance like Crawford did, never dared to fight a young primed undefeated Champion in that fashion, nor did he ever bother to get all 4 belts and clean out like Terrance Crawford.
Floyd feasted on washed up names, while Crawford feasted on all belts & challengers.

Floyd's constant ducking & bogus fights throughout his career has already hurt his legacy.

Didn't take long for a fighter to put himself in the discussion of Floyd, shows you how much Floyd wasted time fighting people like Ortiz, Berto & McGregor.

Head to head, Crawford stops Mayweather

[Noxy]

He's not as well known, although last night will have helped. But he's not a celebrity on that level.

[Bandog]

It would be interesting to see if at 36 Crawford could dominate Canelo like Floyd did at 36?

Honestly, comparing eras, so many scenarios, much like a pfp discussion. Interesting but pointless.

Anyway, I'll bite. All I can say is that I'd favor a pretty boy (complete fighter) floyd over Bud at 135-140, and Bud over money (still great defensively but a pot shotter) at 147. Both are ATG's. Can Bud still dominate at 38-39 like Floyd did? I think he could. He seems at his peak now. A 90% Bud could beat 99% I'm guessing.