Crawford vs Canelo @ 165 lbs

[apollo creed]

I don't think Crawford would say no to the Canelo Payday.

It would be very interesting to see how this fight would go style-wise. I think Canelo would have problems with Crawford.

[DrDuke]

Crawford wins. He's the same 5,8 as Canelo. He'll put some pounds on and maybe he won't need weight-cut. Maybe he'll be slower, but he still has more tools in the box than Canelo.

[Nightmare Roy]

Not sure that's a good idea Canelo would be over 180 fight night

[gilgamesh]

It'd truly be a battle of superior size vs superior skill.

[davie]

Crawford wins. He's the same 5,8 as Canelo. He'll put some pounds on and maybe he won't need weight-cut. Maybe he'll be slower, but he still has more tools in the box than Canelo.

There's a bit more too it that them being the same height
Some people have naturally bigger frames.

And sure Terrence might not need to weight cut because he could easily eat up to 165 and would enter the ring around that weight.
And he's be a 147 athlete carrying some fat.
Canelo would be a natural 165 man, who could cut until he was 165lb of shredded muscle then rehydrate till he outweighs Terrence by 20lbs+.

Terrence might have more skill but lets not forget we had Canelo p4p no1 little over a year ago

[gilgamesh]

I feel like at this point in their respective careers there's just too much of a size gap for Crawford and Canelo. If Crawford continues to get bigger over the course of his career anyway, and Canelo continues to compete at 168 or thereabouts maybe they can meet at 165 or some sh*t somewhere down the road in 4 years or something, but right now I think they both have fights that make more sense right in front of them.

[davie]

This is a silly fight and a man who started at 135lb and has topped out to a natural 147lb at 35 years of age should not be thinking about anything more than 1 more weight class up.
154lb would put him at a slight disadvantage vs someone like Jermell but I'd love to see it.

Jumping 3 weight classes to fight a p4p rated fighter, who is already known for being a weight bully and taking advantage of rehydrating, one who has campaigned at 175 at world level. That's just daft

[davie]

I feel like at this point in their respective careers there's just too much of a size gap for Crawford and Canelo. If Crawford continues to get bigger over the course of his career anyway, and Canelo continues to compete at 168 or thereabouts maybe they can meet at 165 or some sh*t somewhere down the road in 4 years or something, but right now I think they both have fights that make more sense right in front of them.

The age is another issue though.

Crawford might not have another 4 years in the sport and he almost certainly won't if he spends them jumping through another 3 weight classes

[gilgamesh]

I feel like at this point in their respective careers there's just too much of a size gap for Crawford and Canelo. If Crawford continues to get bigger over the course of his career anyway, and Canelo continues to compete at 168 or thereabouts maybe they can meet at 165 or some sh*t somewhere down the road in 4 years or something, but right now I think they both have fights that make more sense right in front of them.

The age is another issue though.

Crawford might not have another 4 years in the sport and he almost certainly won't if he spends them jumping through another 3 weight classes

No definitely not. That's why I say it needs to be down the road. If Crawford and Canelo ever fight. It needs to be Crawford's retirement.

May not be Canelo's, but win or lose, it should be Crawford's retirement. Because as you say it'd be inadvisable for him to get back down to a lower weight again, and it'd be a bad idea for him to keep fighting other big guys like that.

But for Canelo the Cash cow, it'd be worth the risk, and a good send off fight for him.

[Bandog]

Lol@ Canelo agreeing to a catch weight in someone else's favor. Dream on. He'll take (and need) every advantage he can get.

Canelo is smart enough to avoid bad style match ups. It's why he never unified at 154 or 160, would have had to fight Andrade. I don't think he'll fight Bud. No win situation.

[apollo creed]

Crawford wins. He's the same 5,8 as Canelo. He'll put some pounds on and maybe he won't need weight-cut. Maybe he'll be slower, but he still has more tools in the box than Canelo.

I think so. Craw is the new standard in boxing of what a complete elite boxer should fight. His calmness, ring IQ and his mental composure is so unique.

[apollo creed]

Not sure that's a good idea Canelo would be over 180 fight night

Craw ain't that small and he is super-strong.

[apollo creed]

It'd truly be a battle of superior size vs superior skill.

Yup but Craw is a very strong fighter. He would match Canelo's size and weight.

[apollo creed]

Crawford wins. He's the same 5,8 as Canelo. He'll put some pounds on and maybe he won't need weight-cut. Maybe he'll be slower, but he still has more tools in the box than Canelo.

There's a bit more too it that them being the same height
Some people have naturally bigger frames.

And sure Terrence might not need to weight cut because he could easily eat up to 165 and would enter the ring around that weight.
And he's be a 147 athlete carrying some fat.
Canelo would be a natural 165 man, who could cut until he was 165lb of shredded muscle then rehydrate till he outweighs Terrence by 20lbs+.

Terrence might have more skill but lets not forget we had Canelo p4p no1 little over a year ago

Bud is very strong fighter for his size. Bud would beat Charlos at any weight imo.

[apollo creed]

I feel like at this point in their respective careers there's just too much of a size gap for Crawford and Canelo. If Crawford continues to get bigger over the course of his career anyway, and Canelo continues to compete at 168 or thereabouts maybe they can meet at 165 or some sh*t somewhere down the road in 4 years or something, but right now I think they both have fights that make more sense right in front of them.

Bud is gonna be soon 36 y/o. He ain't getting any younger. Mell is jumping up at 168 from 154. Bud is pretty much a 154 pounder like Spence too. If the money are good I don't think Bud would say no.

[apollo creed]

This is a silly fight and a man who started at 135lb and has topped out to a natural 147lb at 35 years of age should not be thinking about anything more than 1 more weight class up.
154lb would put him at a slight disadvantage vs someone like Jermell but I'd love to see it.

Jumping 3 weight classes to fight a p4p rated fighter, who is already known for being a weight bully and taking advantage of rehydrating, one who has campaigned at 175 at world level. That's just daft

Bud is an exceptional fighter that can achieve greatness. If there is a fighter from a lower weight class that could defeat Canelo , this could be Bud. And btw Bud is a very strong fighter. He's almost a jr mw.

[apollo creed]

I feel like at this point in their respective careers there's just too much of a size gap for Crawford and Canelo. If Crawford continues to get bigger over the course of his career anyway, and Canelo continues to compete at 168 or thereabouts maybe they can meet at 165 or some sh*t somewhere down the road in 4 years or something, but right now I think they both have fights that make more sense right in front of them.

The age is another issue though.

Crawford might not have another 4 years in the sport and he almost certainly won't if he spends them jumping through another 3 weight classes

No definitely not. That's why I say it needs to be down the road. If Crawford and Canelo ever fight. It needs to be Crawford's retirement.

May not be Canelo's, but win or lose, it should be Crawford's retirement. Because as you say it'd be inadvisable for him to get back down to a lower weight again, and it'd be a bad idea for him to keep fighting other big guys like that.

But for Canelo the Cash cow, it'd be worth the risk, and a good send off fight for him.

Thats the main point. Bud is almost 36 y/o and there is no other big money fight out there beside Canelo. Mell would probably get stopped by Canelo.

[apollo creed]

Lol@ Canelo agreeing to a catch weight in someone else's favor. Dream on. He'll take (and need) every advantage he can get.

Canelo is smart enough to avoid bad style match ups. It's why he never unified at 154 or 160, would have had to fight Andrade. I don't think he'll fight Bud. No win situation.

You're probably right but atm Bud is the man, so I think Canelo would look at this fight if it makes enough $en$e. Same with Bud.

I mean , IMO Bud is a much better fight for Canelo in terms of competitiveness and money than either of Charlos.

[gilgamesh]

It'd truly be a battle of superior size vs superior skill.

Yup but Craw is a very strong fighter. He would match Canelo's size and weight.

No he wouldn't match his size and weight.

[oogiebe]

It'd truly be a battle of superior size vs superior skill.

Yup but Craw is a very strong fighter. He would match Canelo's size and weight.

No he wouldn't match his size and weight.

Yeah, Craw has no business at 165. Or 160 for that matter.

[gilgamesh]

Yup but Craw is a very strong fighter. He would match Canelo's size and weight.

No he wouldn't match his size and weight.

Yeah, Craw has no business at 165. Or 160 for that matter.

Certainly not anytime soon. He needs at least 3 or 4 fights at 154 at first at the very least.

[oogiebe]

No he wouldn't match his size and weight.

Yeah, Craw has no business at 165. Or 160 for that matter.

Certainly not anytime soon. He needs at least 3 or 4 fights at 154 at first at the very least.

He's like 35. he's fully grown. 154 would be the heaviest at this point he can be while still being effective and that's not 100%.

[tiny_acres]

Yeah, Craw has no business at 165. Or 160 for that matter.

Certainly not anytime soon. He needs at least 3 or 4 fights at 154 at first at the very least.

He's like 35. he's fully grown. 154 would be the heaviest at this point he can be while still being effective and that's not 100%.

I don't think 154 is out of the question. I'd favor him widely over Charlo.
160 may be pushing it and 168 is just a dream at his age. But the SOB is the best out there so anything is a possibility

[Lackeos]

Moving up almost 3 weight divisions is unreasonable. Even if Alvarez is the biggest cash cow that Crawford could fight, it's not anywhere close to sane. McGregor would be a more reasonable opponent and would pay similar money.

In boxing terms, not money terms, it would be more reasonable for Crawford to fight Josh Taylor, Teofimo, or Jermell. It's a shame that he can't fight the winner of a Vergil Ortiz - Ennis match-up; but that fight isn't even on the schedule. Or perhaps he could fight each of them individually, and we can hope for the business of the sport that one of them is able to take his torch.

[lazboy]

Moving up almost 3 weight divisions is unreasonable. Even if Alvarez is the biggest cash cow that Crawford could fight, it's not anywhere close to sane. McGregor would be a more reasonable opponent and would pay similar money.

In boxing terms, not money terms, it would be more reasonable for Crawford to fight Josh Taylor, Teofimo, or Jermell. It's a shame that he can't fight the winner of a Vergil Ortiz - Ennis match-up; but that fight isn't even on the schedule. Or perhaps he could fight each of them individually, and we can hope for the business of the sport that one of them is able to take his torch.

Well said.