Anthony Joshua vs. Deontay Wilder - Who wins?

[big lennox]

Warren: “If Joshua Beats Wilder - So What, Fury Beat Wilder Three Times!“

“He caught him with a big shot. But, let’s get it right, he’s a guy who’s got a big punch and the other guy when he fights at that level he usually gets knocked out when he steps up. You’ve not learnt anymore about AJ in that fight coming out of it than going into it," Warren told Boxing Social.

“Tyson’s beaten Wilder three times, so if [Joshua] beats Wilder, if he does, and I don’t think he will – so what!," Warren said.

"Tyson’s beaten him three times and probably taken a lot of miles off of his clock in the fights that he had with Tyson. Tyson did a job on him, especially in that third fight, he had Tyson down as well, it was a tough fight. Wilder didn’t come out of that fight physically well I don’t think. I don’t think he’ll beat Wilder by the way but that’s irrelevant – I don’t think he’ll beat Wilder.”

That statement could have applied last December:

" If Fury beats Chisora, so what. Fury has beaten Chisora twice already..."

[big lennox]

Nonsense. He’s just turned down 2 Fury fights to fight Franklin and Helenius. He’s never been near Wilder in 7 years. Has he ever even been to an event where Wilder or Fury were in the building?

Has Fury ever boxed AJ, Ruiz or Uysk?

Moreover, according to Hearn, AJ ruled out a fight with Non boxing Ngannou. Fury is boxing non boxing Ngannou. That's not in dispute, is it?

Would he have fought Klitschko in Germany or Wilder in the States. Both too risky.

Would Fury have fought Uysk in London or Saudi Arabia? Too risky.

Uysk is better than anyone Fury has ever boxed before. Hence having no trainer for the 29th April fight at Wembley.

Out of interest, when Fury vs Uysk talks broke down, why didn't Fury box anyone else on the 29th April? His team assured everyone that he would be boxing that date with or without Uysk.

[Frostieballs]

I can’t be bothered to check, but was Joshua’s performance better or worse than when young Lennox made a bit of a meal of beating Phil Jackson in 7? Joshua v Wilder is fairly interesting just because it a bit unpredictable. Either or both sides could end up looking incredibly chinny and/or shot. It’s a coin toss fight.

…and it is kind of becoming funny listening to the Fury fans on this Forum. If Fury does just have 2 years of these novelty fights and then retires, do you care? Is it a bit like Donald Trump and the MAGA lot. He can basically do everything short of raping and murdering people to still have your vote?

Trump has allegedly done the former according to his ex wife - and maybe even the latter indirectly with incitement to riot.

[Ruthless-RKO]

Warren: “If Joshua Beats Wilder - So What, Fury Beat Wilder Three Times!“

“He caught him with a big shot. But, let’s get it right, he’s a guy who’s got a big punch and the other guy when he fights at that level he usually gets knocked out when he steps up. You’ve not learnt anymore about AJ in that fight coming out of it than going into it," Warren told Boxing Social.

“Tyson’s beaten Wilder three times, so if [Joshua] beats Wilder, if he does, and I don’t think he will – so what!," Warren said.

"Tyson’s beaten him three times and probably taken a lot of miles off of his clock in the fights that he had with Tyson. Tyson did a job on him, especially in that third fight, he had Tyson down as well, it was a tough fight. Wilder didn’t come out of that fight physically well I don’t think. I don’t think he’ll beat Wilder by the way but that’s irrelevant – I don’t think he’ll beat Wilder.”

That statement could have applied last December:

" If Fury beats Chisora, so what. Fury has beaten Chisora twice already..."

He sounds like a 10 year old kicking off.

“So what??”

[big lennox]

An excellent summing up by Dominic Ingle. The Interviewer comes over very well, too:

[BigDoofus]

Has Fury ever boxed AJ, Ruiz or Uysk?

Moreover, according to Hearn, AJ ruled out a fight with Non boxing Ngannou. Fury is boxing non boxing Ngannou. That's not in dispute, is it?

Would he have fought Klitschko in Germany or Wilder in the States. Both too risky.

Would Fury have fought Uysk in London or Saudi Arabia? Too risky.

Uysk is better than anyone Fury has ever boxed before. Hence having no trainer for the 29th April fight at Wembley.

Out of interest, when Fury vs Uysk talks broke down, why didn't Fury box anyone else on the 29th April? His team assured everyone that he would be boxing that date with or without Uysk.

Fury has already agreed to fight Usyk in both London and Saudi.

Usyk better than Klitschko at heavyweight?
Fury has a fight scheduled now. Who is his current trainer?

After Usyk fled East, perhaps Fury was a little disillusioned with boxing.

[mickey1975]

Better than Wlad is a big call. Aj isn't very good and going life and death with Del isn't great.

[The Gratest]

Would he have fought Klitschko in Germany or Wilder in the States. Both too risky.

Would Fury have fought Uysk in London or Saudi Arabia? Too risky.

Uysk is better than anyone Fury has ever boxed before. Hence having no trainer for the 29th April fight at Wembley.

Out of interest, when Fury vs Uysk talks broke down, why didn't Fury box anyone else on the 29th April? His team assured everyone that he would be boxing that date with or without Uysk.

Fury has already agreed to fight Usyk in both London and Saudi.

Usyk better than Klitschko at heavyweight?
Fury has a fight scheduled now. Who is his current trainer?

After Usyk fled East, perhaps Fury was a little disillusioned with boxing.

Who is Fury scheduled to fight? Do you consider the opponent to be a worthy boxer to challenge for the 'illustrious' heavyweight lineal championship? Do you know the opponent's professional boxing record?

You clearly believe the opponent to be worthy and it to be a legitimate boxing match up as you've never spoken out against it. As such, your views on boxing are laughable.

[The Gratest]

Life and death with Del....someone's started his exagerrated hyperbole in defense of all things Tyson Fury early today!

[big lennox]

Would he have fought Klitschko in Germany or Wilder in the States. Both too risky.

Would Fury have fought Uysk in London or Saudi Arabia? Too risky.

Uysk is better than anyone Fury has ever boxed before. Hence having no trainer for the 29th April fight at Wembley.

Out of interest, when Fury vs Uysk talks broke down, why didn't Fury box anyone else on the 29th April? His team assured everyone that he would be boxing that date with or without Uysk.

Fury has already agreed to fight Usyk in both London and Saudi.

Usyk better than Klitschko at heavyweight?
Fury has a fight scheduled now. Who is his current trainer?

After Usyk fled East, perhaps Fury was a little disillusioned with boxing.

According to Skills Challenge, Fury turned down their offer for him to fight Uysk in Saudi. They were surprised because he turned down an awful lot of money, apparently.

Fury then offered Uysk a 70 - 30 split for Wembley on the 29th April and kept on shifting the goalposts.

Frankly, Fury's approach to trying to make the AJ and Uysk fights is reminiscent of Khan desperately trying to avoid fighting Brook for all those years i.e. using their names to raise his profile but no real intention of fighting either of them until they have gone off the boil.

Uysk is far more skilled than Klitschko. Johnny Nelson said that when he was there he watched Uysk completely out manourve Klitschko in sparring.

Also, AJ managed to KO Klitschko but lost virtually every round to Uysk over 2 fights.

There is definitely a reason why Fury kept on shifting the goalposts in negotiations with Uysk, who has a track record of being easy to deal with.

Also, I remember Fury giving that strange interview with a Saudi Prince ( after Jake Paul vs Tommy Fury, in February) praising Saudi Arabia and saying they had big news coming. That big news turned out to be Fury bypassing the entire heavyweight division to take on a non boxer.

He has definitely used the same play book as Khan did with more and more elaborate excuses to avoid Uysk.

I saw Fury's promoter say that Fury needed to be out in October because he won't be out until next March i.e he won't be on the January Saudi card.

Chisora has commented that Fury taking on Ngannou on the 28th October completely put a spanner in the works for Fury vs Uysk.

[mickey1975]

Johnny Nelson rates Bellew as technically better than Usyk.

[mickey1975]

I suppose Khan signing to box Canelo because he was terrified of Brook makes as much sense as fighting Wilder three times because you’re scared of AJ….

[big lennox]

I suppose Khan signing to box Canelo because he was terrified of Brook makes as much sense as fighting Wilder three times because you’re scared of AJ….

I think Khan would have rather lost to Canelo than Brook..

[big lennox]

Better than Wlad is a big call. Aj isn't very good and going life and death with Del isn't great.

If Uysk isn't that good, why are you flying over to watch him vs Dubois?

[mickey1975]

Better than Wlad is a big call. Aj isn't very good and going life and death with Del isn't great.

If Uysk isn't that good, why are you flying over to watch him vs Dubois?

I didn’t say that. And I love an excuse for an occasion. I probably wouldn’t go if it was in England. A last trip with my younger son before he goes off to university, see a few sights, etc

[Teddy's Toupee]

Better than Wlad is a big call. Aj isn't very good and going life and death with Del isn't great.

If Uysk isn't that good, why are you flying over to watch him vs Dubois?

I didn’t say that. And I love an excuse for an occasion. I probably wouldn’t go if it was in England. A last trip with my younger son before he goes off to university, see a few sights, etc

Try not to bite anyone's nose off, bottle job.

[Teddy's Toupee]

Life and death with Del....someone's started his exagerrated hyperbole in defense of all things Tyson Fury early today!

[tonyevs]

It's always smoke & mirrors with a certain person here isn't ..

There is no question that the Usyk who beat Joshua twice is a more formidable boxer than the Wlad who lost against Fury & Joshua .. Wlad at that stage was almost 40yrs old and literally at the end of his career.

Of course a certain person will paint it that the 2015 version of Wlad was everything as good as the 2005 or even 2010 version .. which he clearly wasn't.

[BigDoofus]

Johnny Nelson rates Bellew as technically better than Usyk.

Perhaps Lenny is referring to the Johnny Nelson who described Usyk as an average southpaw.
Or the Johnny Nelson that said Johnny Nelson would have beaten Usyk.
Or the Johnny Nelson that said Pacquiao would beat Floyd.

[Nightmare Roy]

If Usyk struggles with DDD Fury might fight him for £400m.

[The Gratest]

If Usyk struggles with DDD Fury might fight him for £400m.

£400m all to Fury? Or £400m split 80/20?(seeing as Usyk struggling with DDD means another 10% added to greedy belly's slice of the pie)

[The Gratest]

Johnny Nelson rates Bellew as technically better than Usyk.

Perhaps Lenny is referring to the Johnny Nelson who described Usyk as an average southpaw.
Or the Johnny Nelson that said Johnny Nelson would have beaten Usyk.
Or the Johnny Nelson that said Pacquiao would beat Floyd.

To be fair, Johnny Nelson can see through all the Fury bullshit. Unlike yourself Doofy who loves the idea of Fury fighting a guy with zero pro boxing fights to his name


Sky Sports Boxing presenter & pundit Johnny Nelson has voiced his thoughts on Tyson Fury within the context of big fights falling through. While appearing as a guest on TalkSPORT, the former cruiserweight World Champion said:

“Tyson’s getting to a stage where, and it’s obvious that he’s losing fans – loyal fans, because all these empty promises that are coming. He was supposed to box twenty opponents in the last two months, they’ve never come off or negotiations have fallen through because he’s not happy with whatever.

“It’s like the boy who cried wolf – trust is starting to go.

“It is the Tyson Fury show but he needs to understand that boxing was there before him, boxing will be there after him – he isn’t boxing and he actually thinks that he is boxing.

The former fighter then added:

“It’s like the [Oleksandr] Usyk situation, I thought Tyson Fury would beat Usyk. I just don’t think that Tyson Fury thinks that he would beat him.”

Johnny Nelson was then asked what the problem is with big heavyweight boxing fights not getting over the line, to which he replied:

“Tyson Fury is the problem! We know he’s a good fighter but Tyson Fury, if he doesn’t want to fight today, he’s going to make up the most ridiculous excuses: ‘He’s this, he’s that, he didn’t give me this, he didn’t give me that, he didn’t wear pink shoelaces’ or whatever and it’s Tyson Fury.”

[IRONFIST]

Wilder wins by vicious KO, there was a time I would have backed Joshua but he's now gunshy and regressed rapidly. Still full of himself too, not helped by the likes of Buncey's bootlicking, he's done so much bootlicking he could be going down with a case of cherry blossom poisoning.

[jwfg]

Johnny Nelson rates Bellew as technically better than Usyk.

Perhaps Lenny is referring to the Johnny Nelson who described Usyk as an average southpaw.
Or the Johnny Nelson that said Johnny Nelson would have beaten Usyk.
Or the Johnny Nelson that said Pacquiao would beat Floyd.

It wasn't that long ago Nelson said Usyk would beat everyone at heayweight.

[margaret thatcher]

life and death with del

sounds like a documentary or memoir or album or some sheeyat like that