Don’t Tell Me Daniel Dubois is a Quitter

[forcefraser]

Bruno would beat Joshua and Wilder. I would probably take him over Fury.

Lol Bruno is so overrated. Which world class fighters did he actually beat?

none

Chuck Gardner?

[Steveh583]

Former world lightweight champion John Murray lives blind in one eye.

I didn't know this

Wasn’t a world champion

[Steveh583]

Boxers are quick to say you cant criticise a fighter if you've never boxed, i dont agree with that but fair enough but ill also say to fighters who hold that view that they cant criticise boxers for quitting due to broken orbitals unless they too have been there, probably the most painful thing a fighter has to endure id imagine

I’ve never acted but I know a shit film when I see one

[Steveh583]

It’s a tough topic, he quit (again), but obv the punishment world class fighters take makes in kind of understandable. But you should still be allowed to call it out. If a soldier was out gunned and threw down his weapons, are we allowed to say he surrendered (regardless of the gallant effort he may have put in)?

[Ruthless-RKO]

Don’t forget this article was referring to the Joyce fight.

[cormack]

Lol Bruno is so overrated. Which world class fighters did he actually beat?

none

You mean, apart from Oliver McCall and Gerrie Coetzee?

As I said - " None "

neither of those were what I consider world class IMHO

[Flump]

Oliver McCall was ranked number #2 in the world by Ring Magazine when Bruno beat him. Coetzee was ranked #6 for 1985 and was still a top ten heavyweight when Frank beat him.. The rest is just speculation.

So, you're wrong. Bruno did beat world class fighters,

Correct, and a number of solid fringe contenders. Bruno was a difficult nights work for better fighters than Joshua or Wilder, that is for sure.

Bruno is the most overrated British fighter ever, he wouldn’t beat anyone in the top 10 except Daniel Dubois possibly

In your opinion James, I beg to differ. And I think it's stretch to name Dubois in the top 10.

[jamesmcdonnell]

Dubois has done nothing to suggest he's better than Bruno.

Bruno's losing effort to Lewis is better than anything Dubois has achieved, who exactly has he beaten?

[JamesPhilips]

Correct, and a number of solid fringe contenders. Bruno was a difficult nights work for better fighters than Joshua or Wilder, that is for sure.

Bruno is the most overrated British fighter ever, he wouldn’t beat anyone in the top 10 except Daniel Dubois possibly

In your opinion James, I beg to differ. And I think it's stretch to name Dubois in the top 10.

I’m using Boxrec rankings, but yes I agree on Dubois

[JamesPhilips]

Dubois has done nothing to suggest he's better than Bruno.

Bruno's losing effort to Lewis is better than anything Dubois has achieved, who exactly has he beaten?

Yes I agree Bruno is better than DuBois. But that doesn’t affect the reality that Bruno is hideously overrated by British boxing fans. The very fact Bruno’s best fights are losing fights kind of illustrates this. And despite McCall’s titanium chin, he was on a drug binge when he fought Bruno and Frank barely beat him…..

[JamesPhilips]

I think if I was to pick a time for Frank Bruno to prosper it would be around now. If we take off Fury and Usyk for being too cute, Frank could be a comfortable world number 3 here.

This is the original post. The current heavies aren’t great but I feel confident the following would beat Bruno:

Fury
Usyk
Joshua
Wilder
Zhang
Ruiz
Hrgovic
Ortiz
Makhmudov
Bakole
Wardley
Anderson

And many others 50/50 including Whyte. Ajagba, Franklin.

All Bruno could do was bowl over guys he outweighed.

[jwfg]

none

You mean, apart from Oliver McCall and Gerrie Coetzee?

As I said - " None "

neither of those were what I consider world class IMHO

The second best heavyweight in the world is not world class? Come on Steve, that's crazy talk.

[jwfg]

I think if I was to pick a time for Frank Bruno to prosper it would be around now. If we take off Fury and Usyk for being too cute, Frank could be a comfortable world number 3 here.

This is the original post. The current heavies aren’t great but I feel confident the following would beat Bruno:

Fury
Usyk
Joshua
Wilder
Zhang
Ruiz
Hrgovic
Ortiz
Makhmudov
Bakole
Wardley
Anderson

And many others 50/50 including Whyte. Ajagba, Franklin.

All Bruno could do was bowl over guys he outweighed.

Bruno only lost to two hall of famers, a world champion and a contender. He rocked Tyson in the first fight and won plenty of rounds against Lewis. I think you're underrating him significantly.

[tonyevs]

I think if I was to pick a time for Frank Bruno to prosper it would be around now. If we take off Fury and Usyk for being too cute, Frank could be a comfortable world number 3 here.

This is the original post. The current heavies aren’t great but I feel confident the following would beat Bruno:

Fury
Usyk
Joshua
Wilder
Zhang
Ruiz
Hrgovic
Ortiz
Makhmudov
Bakole
Wardley
Anderson

And many others 50/50 including Whyte. Ajagba, Franklin.

All Bruno could do was bowl over guys he outweighed.

Bruno only lost to two hall of famers, a world champion and a contender. He rocked Tyson in the first fight and won plenty of rounds against Lewis. I think you're underrating him significantly.

Its all fantasy type thing - but I guess you could imagine how Fury, Usyk, Joshua and Wilder would have done against the versions of Mike Tyson and Lennox Lewis who beat Bruno.

I`d imagine Lennox having an easy time against all of the aforementioned. Mike Tyson goes through Usyk, Joshua and Wilde easy enough. Furys size may be a problem though - but Tyson could get at tall fighters and Fury dislikes the shorter fast punchers .. so

[polecateddy]

Without all the back and forth about Bruno and others against today’s crop, I think the kindest thing that could be said about Fury, Usyk, Joshua and Wilder is that they’d have been better fighters in the Lewis/Bowe/Holyfield era, where they’d have to compete regularly in competitive matches. Not this drudge we have to put up with these days.

[Ruthless-RKO]

Tony Bellew has his say

"Have we all forgotten that Daniel Dubois watched the referee count to 10 while on one knee? It’s not the first time he’s done it. It’s not unfair [to label him a quitter] because against Joe Joyce he had a fractured orbital bone and again he watched the referee count to 10 while on one knee and then when the referee gets to 10 he gets straight up. And he’s done it again now. I don’t want to call someone a quitter but a man told me in this very gym, his name was John ‘Duke’ Doolan, and he wasn’t the greatest coach but something he said stuck with me to this day. He said to me ‘son don’t you ever spew it.’ Spew it means to quit. The first time you spew it is the hardest and after the first time it only gets easier and easier and I’m sorry to say that Daniel Dubois has spewed it twice," Bellew said to Safe Betting Sites.

“People keep asking me why I only say it about Daniel Dubois? Well Kell Brook was a very good friend of mine in the past and we were both under the same platform at Matchroom. We both fought under Sky Sports and I commentated live on his fight against Errol Spence. I went live after that fight and said Kell Brook has just spewed it and it wasn’t his first time. He spewed it against Gennady Golovkin and he spewed it against Errol Spence. I’m sorry. He’s a far better fighter than me. I’ve got no problem with saying that but when the going gets tough he looks for a way out. Daniel Dubois is exactly the same. People say well why didn’t you say that about AJ against Andy Ruiz? AJ never quit, he was just completely exhausted and spent. He didn’t sit on one knee and watch the referee count to 10. The referee stopped it and actually saved him."

[dr_devious]

Yeah I remember Boomer getting in the trenches and going out on his shield against Adonis Stevenson.

[forcefraser]

Yeah I remember Boomer getting in the trenches and going out on his shield against Adonis Stevenson.

Short memory for Boomer. Turned his back on Steveson. Spewed it

[Flump]

Yeah I remember Boomer getting in the trenches and going out on his shield against Adonis Stevenson.

Short memory for Boomer. Turned his back on Steveson. Spewed it

To be fair Bellew was out on his feet, by his own admission Michael Griffin saved his life.

[cormack]

You mean, apart from Oliver McCall and Gerrie Coetzee?

As I said - " None "

neither of those were what I consider world class IMHO

The second best heavyweight in the world is not world class? Come on Steve, that's crazy talk.

Apart from that lucky shot vs Lennox Lewis which was swiftly corrected I remember nothing else to suggest Mcall could be top level - yes I am that old
And then didnt he lose the plot and start talking to himself mid fight and turning his back and so on .

[Frostieballs]

As I said - " None "

neither of those were what I consider world class IMHO

The second best heavyweight in the world is not world class? Come on Steve, that's crazy talk.

Apart from that lucky shot vs Lennox Lewis which was swiftly corrected I remember nothing else to suggest Mcall could be top level - yes I am that old
And then didnt he lose the plot and start talking to himself mid fight and turning his back and so on .

I think he was crying before the fight? I am that old as well.

I remember Mcall being quite solid. Think he wouldn't fair too badly in today's climate.

[big lennox]

I think McCall had the best chin I have ever seen. Tua had an amazing chin, too, but I never ever saw Mccall remotely close to being dropped.

I felt really sorry for him in the Lewis rematch. He clearly shouldn't have been in the ring that evening.

I think he had launched the Christmas tree across the foyer of the hotel he was staying in, if memory serves me correct.

[JamesPhilips]

I think if I was to pick a time for Frank Bruno to prosper it would be around now. If we take off Fury and Usyk for being too cute, Frank could be a comfortable world number 3 here.

This is the original post. The current heavies aren’t great but I feel confident the following would beat Bruno:

Fury
Usyk
Joshua
Wilder
Zhang
Ruiz
Hrgovic
Ortiz
Makhmudov
Bakole
Wardley
Anderson

And many others 50/50 including Whyte. Ajagba, Franklin.

All Bruno could do was bowl over guys he outweighed.

Bruno only lost to two hall of famers, a world champion and a contender. He rocked Tyson in the first fight and won plenty of rounds against Lewis. I think you're underrating him significantly.

Lol if the best case you can make for a fighter is from fights he lost clearly and git beaten up in 3,5 and 7 rounds (including landing only one punch of significance in 2 fights with Tyson) you are really struggling.
Not forgetting you haven’t mentioned being flattened by Bonecrusher, a fat Witherspoon and almost kod by a bodybuilder….

I have no idea why people seem to reinvent Bruno and rate him highly when he’s one of the worst heavyweight champions ever is beyond me. Dubois and him would be a 50/50 fight

[Steveh583]

Yeah I remember Boomer getting in the trenches and going out on his shield against Adonis Stevenson.

Short memory for Boomer. Turned his back on Steveson. Spewed it

nah thats an over dramatisation. he was on queer street certainly and very uncomfortable, but it wasnt a spew

[si7dog7]

This is the original post. The current heavies aren’t great but I feel confident the following would beat Bruno:

Fury
Usyk
Joshua
Wilder
Zhang
Ruiz
Hrgovic
Ortiz
Makhmudov
Bakole
Wardley
Anderson

And many others 50/50 including Whyte. Ajagba, Franklin.

All Bruno could do was bowl over guys he outweighed.

Bruno only lost to two hall of famers, a world champion and a contender. He rocked Tyson in the first fight and won plenty of rounds against Lewis. I think you're underrating him significantly.

Lol if the best case you can make for a fighter is from fights he lost clearly and git beaten up in 3,5 and 7 rounds (including landing only one punch of significance in 2 fights with Tyson) you are really struggling.
Not forgetting you haven’t mentioned being flattened by Bonecrusher, a fat Witherspoon and almost kod by a bodybuilder….

I have no idea why people seem to reinvent Bruno and rate him highly when he’s one of the worst heavyweight champions ever is beyond me. Dubois and him would be a 50/50 fight

Sorry James. Can’t agree.
Bonecrusher. Very decent. Took peak Tyson 12 no worries.
Witherspoon ? The most badly managed and avpided of 80’s and early 90’s heavyweights
Tyson. Ok

Dubois would not be 50/50. Not even close. Bruno would jab him to pieces

Come on now.

It’s all opinions I know