Prime Tyson vs prime Vitali

Great Dane · Post by **Great Dane** » 01 Sep 2006, 15:49

I have no idea, but i would put my money on Vitali by tko 8!

What do you think?

RazorKO · Post by **RazorKO** » 01 Sep 2006, 17:33

As much as I like Vitali, a prime Tyson will definetly knock him into submission.

Tyson does well with tall men with good jabs like Pinklon Thomas, Carl Williams, Bruno orTyrell Biggs and we all saw what Tyson did to these men. Vitali however can take a punch as he showed when he took a couple of powerful uppercuts from Lewis but Tyson doesnt only punch harder than Lewis shot for shot but he is also more faster, more accurate and he wont give you anytime to rest.

Tyson TKO 7

Foreman, Ali, Holmes and maybe Frazier and Joe Louis are the only people I will pick to beat a Prime Tyson.

evndrbsn · Post by **evndrbsn** » 01 Sep 2006, 17:36

He didn't do well with Buster Douglas. Big man, big jab.

RazorKO · Post by **RazorKO** » 01 Sep 2006, 17:44

evndrbsn wrote:He didn't do well with Buster Douglas. Big man, big jab.

True, but too be fair that wasnt the same Tyson who knocked out Berbick or the Tyson who brutalised Biggs.
All Tyson did for the whole fight was really to look for the one punch and he actually found it in the 8th arguagbly sending him down for the 10 count. However its the big men who hold on for dear life are the fighters who really touble Tyson i.e Bonecrusher and of course Lewis.

Great Dane · Post by **Great Dane** » 01 Sep 2006, 17:46

evndrbsn wrote:He didn't do well with Buster Douglas. Big man, big jab.

That´s why i think Vitali would win!
I tought the same thing when i said Vitali would win a late round tko!

Collins2000 · Post by **Collins2000** » 01 Sep 2006, 19:35

If Klitschko is gonna quit when getting a little heat from that tap tap bullshit Byrd throws then I see him joining the list of guys who Tyson was able to intimidate and dominate.

Great Dane · Post by **Great Dane** » 01 Sep 2006, 19:40

Collins2000 wrote:If Klitschko is gonna quit when getting a little heat from that tap tap bullshit Byrd throws then I see him joining the list of guys who Tyson was able to intimidate and dominate.

Vitali was controling the fight with one arm!
He had a sholder-injury!

Now, do you really beleive that Byrd beat Vitali? On the paper, yes!

A fit for fight Vitali would beat Burd 99 times out of 100!

pundit · Post by **pundit** » 01 Sep 2006, 21:09

Great Dane wrote:
Collins2000 wrote:If Klitschko is gonna quit when getting a little heat from that tap tap bullshit Byrd throws then I see him joining the list of guys who Tyson was able to intimidate and dominate.
Vitali was controling the fight with one arm!
He had a sholder-injury!

Now, do you really beleive that Byrd beat Vitali? On the paper, yes!

A fit for fight Vitali would beat Burd 99 times out of 100!

These folks suffer from maniac anti-Vitali-rage, a dangerous and (for pre-disposed fols) infectious disease that makes one temporarily lose ones brain whenever hearing the word "Vitali".

Hence: reply pointless, even dangerous if you have a heart for these guys.

PS: I believe the 1988/89 Tyson beats Vitali. The lamer version don't.

pundit · Post by **pundit** » 01 Sep 2006, 21:20

Decagon wrote:Quitali got injured in two of his three bouts against top-10 heavyweights. Isn't it likely that he'd get injured against Tyson?

No, rather unlikely.

HomicideHenry · Post by **HomicideHenry** » 01 Sep 2006, 21:28

whats with this Vitali Klitschko bullshit...everytime i come in here there is some European punk or some delusional newbie fan who thinks Klitschko was the best there ever was.

KLITSCHKO never proved himself to be a GREAT fighter, he fits in a class of guys who COULD HAVE BEEN something, like James Douglas, Max Baer and others. His best fight was a TKO LOSS to an out of shape, old, Lennox Lewis ffs.

Big whoop he beat Sanders, WHO THE HELL WAS CORRIE SANDERS before he knocked glass jawed Wald's dick in the dirt? NOBODY. Big whoop he beat Danny Williams...I WOULD HOPE SO, Danny Williams is NOBODY.

Tyson may be questioned about his abilities, having problems with Bonecrusher Smith and others, but at least he beat THE top men, all of them and was undefeated at 36-0 before losing to Douglas, whom Tyson never trained seriously for.

Tyson would tear Klitschko up inside of five rounds.

pundit · Post by **pundit** » 01 Sep 2006, 21:33

IrishRufusMurphy wrote:whats with this Vitali Klitschko bullshit...everytime i come in here there is some European punk or some delusional newbie fan who thinks Klitschko was the best there ever was.

KLITSCHKO never proved himself to be a GREAT fighter, he fits in a class of guys who COULD HAVE BEEN something, like James Douglas, Max Baer and others. His best fight was a TKO LOSS to an out of shape, old, Lennox Lewis ffs.

Big whoop he beat Sanders, WHO THE HELL WAS CORRIE SANDERS before he knocked glass jawed Wald's dick in the dirt? NOBODY. Big whoop he beat Danny Williams...I WOULD HOPE SO, Danny Williams is NOBODY.

Tyson may be questioned about his abilities, having problems with Bonecrusher Smith and others, but at least he beat THE top men, all of them and was undefeated at 36-0 before losing to Douglas, whom Tyson never trained seriously for.

Tyson would tear Klitschko up inside of five rounds.

Do you know other things than copying Brockton's posts and faking Marciano wins in your computer?

HomicideHenry · Post by **HomicideHenry** » 01 Sep 2006, 21:40

I don't copy NOBODY's posts. It is all my own opinion. And as far as 'faking fights' is concerned...didn't I already prove ur punk ass wrong when the computer predicted Maskaev to win over Rahman, since you were THE biggest critic of my tournament?

It's a FACT...Klitschko was NOTHING compared to a prime Tyson.

pundit · Post by **pundit** » 01 Sep 2006, 21:45

IrishRufusMurphy wrote:I don't copy NOBODY's posts. It is all my own opinion.

This is what all the brainwahsed say...

And as far as 'faking fights' is concerned...didn't I already prove ur punk ass wrong when the computer predicted Maskaev to win over Rahman, since you were THE biggest critic of my tournament?

Critic? I just saw you mess around with peoples' votes whenever you didn't like the result (PS: I -- sorry, "my computer" -- also predicted Maskaev to beat Rahman)

It's a FACT...Klitschko was NOTHING compared to a prime Tyson.

Copyright Brockton

Just said a bit less elegantly.

Cheers, P

PS: Vitali had pretty good handspeed.

Collins2000 · Post by **Collins2000** » 01 Sep 2006, 21:53

Great Dane wrote:
Collins2000 wrote:If Klitschko is gonna quit when getting a little heat from that tap tap bullshit Byrd throws then I see him joining the list of guys who Tyson was able to intimidate and dominate.
Vitali was controling the fight with one arm!
He had a sholder-injury!

Now, do you really beleive that Byrd beat Vitali? On the paper, yes!

A fit for fight Vitali would beat Burd 99 times out of 100!

If he was "controlling the fight with one arm" why did he quit?

pundit · Post by **pundit** » 01 Sep 2006, 21:53

Collins2000 wrote:
Great Dane wrote:
Collins2000 wrote:If Klitschko is gonna quit when getting a little heat from that tap tap bullshit Byrd throws then I see him joining the list of guys who Tyson was able to intimidate and dominate.
Vitali was controling the fight with one arm!
He had a sholder-injury!

Now, do you really beleive that Byrd beat Vitali? On the paper, yes!

A fit for fight Vitali would beat Burd 99 times out of 100!
If he was "controlling the fight with one arm" why did he quit?

Because the pain forced him to do so.

pundit · Post by **pundit** » 01 Sep 2006, 22:07

Decagon wrote:And you think that A PRIME MIKE TYSON wouldn't cause him a little bit of pain?!?!?! We're talking about the guy who was backing away from Chris Byrd's power shots. Against a prime Mike Tyson? Forget about it.

I already said that I believe prime Tyson would beat Vitali.

Collins2000 · Post by **Collins2000** » 01 Sep 2006, 22:09

pundit wrote:
Collins2000 wrote:
Great Dane wrote: Vitali was controling the fight with one arm!
He had a sholder-injury!

Now, do you really beleive that Byrd beat Vitali? On the paper, yes!

A fit for fight Vitali would beat Burd 99 times out of 100!
If he was "controlling the fight with one arm" why did he quit?
Because the pain forced him to do so.

Hahahahaha, you over-estimate Klit1.

Yes, we know he had a shoulder injury but the reason he quit was because Byrd was starting to paste him.

Watch the fight.

pundit · Post by **pundit** » 01 Sep 2006, 22:16

Collins2000 wrote:Because the pain forced him to do so.

Hahahahaha, you over-estimate Klit1.

Yes, we know he had a shoulder injury but the reason he quit was because Byrd was starting to paste him.

Watch the fight.

Hahaha, you just got an acute attack of anti-Klitschko-rage, and the entire IQ in your brain fluuupppp left - fortuantely this is only a temporary state.

PS: Byrd could of course never ever have "pasted" a Vitali with two arms and clear vision. He couldn't paste a Vitali with one arm and a half-clear vision.

Collins2000 · Post by **Collins2000** » 01 Sep 2006, 22:23

pundit wrote:
Collins2000 wrote:Because the pain forced him to do so.

Hahahahaha, you over-estimate Klit1.

Yes, we know he had a shoulder injury but the reason he quit was because Byrd was starting to paste him.

Watch the fight.

Hahaha, you just got an acute attack of anti-Klitschko-rage, and the entire IQ in your brain fluuupppp left - fortuantely this is only a temporary state.

PS: Byrd could of course never ever have "pasted" a Vitali with two arms and clear vision. He couldn't paste a Vitali with one arm and a half-clear vision.

I like the Klitty's. I consider them good boxers and, as importantly, model citizens. I quite like watching them box and I think, had he not been badly cut, Vitali was quite likely on his way to upsetting Lewis.

Do you think it helps your case to keep suggesting that anyone who isn't nuthugging them is 'anti' them?

You sit down and watch the fight with someone who knows something about boxing. You'll see Byrd starting to get to Vitali and THAT is when the big fella decides to quit.

pundit · Post by **pundit** » 01 Sep 2006, 22:35

Collins2000 wrote:
pundit wrote:
Collins2000 wrote:Because the pain forced him to do so.

Hahahahaha, you over-estimate Klit1.

Yes, we know he had a shoulder injury but the reason he quit was because Byrd was starting to paste him.

Watch the fight.

Hahaha, you just got an acute attack of anti-Klitschko-rage, and the entire IQ in your brain fluuupppp left - fortuantely this is only a temporary state.

PS: Byrd could of course never ever have "pasted" a Vitali with two arms and clear vision. He couldn't paste a Vitali with one arm and a half-clear vision.
I like the Klitty's. I consider them good boxers and, as importantly, model citizens. I quite like watching them box and I think, had he not been badly cut, Vitali was quite likely on his way to upsetting Lewis.

Do you think it helps your case to keep suggesting that anyone who isn't nuthugging them is 'anti' them?

I don't give a dime what "helps my "case" (my "case" is so clear it doesn't need help). I just have a hard time taking someone serious who suggests Vitali quite against Byrd because he was losing. And next year Easter and Christmas are on the same day, and the storch brings the little children.

You sit down and watch the fight with someone who knows something about boxing. You'll see Byrd starting to get to Vitali and THAT is when the big fella decides to quit.

Yes, he had only one arm, and the pain was blinding and deafening him. This is when Byrd started to have something like a whisker of a chance.

P

Collins2000 · Post by **Collins2000** » 01 Sep 2006, 22:45

pundit wrote:
Collins2000 wrote:
pundit wrote: Hahaha, you just got an acute attack of anti-Klitschko-rage, and the entire IQ in your brain fluuupppp left - fortuantely this is only a temporary state.

PS: Byrd could of course never ever have "pasted" a Vitali with two arms and clear vision. He couldn't paste a Vitali with one arm and a half-clear vision.
I like the Klitty's. I consider them good boxers and, as importantly, model citizens. I quite like watching them box and I think, had he not been badly cut, Vitali was quite likely on his way to upsetting Lewis.

Do you think it helps your case to keep suggesting that anyone who isn't nuthugging them is 'anti' them?
I give a sh!t what helps my "case", I just have a hard time taking someone serious who suggests Vitali quite agasint Byrd becasue he was losing.

You sit down and watch the fight with someone who knows something about boxing. You'll see Byrd starting to get to Vitali and THAT is when the big fella decides to quit.
Yes, he had only one arm, and the pain was blinding and deafening him. This is when Byrd started to have something like a whisker of a chance.

P

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The pain was blinding him and deafening him???? Hilarious.

You ought to be on the radio with material like that.

Watch the fight and the aftermath. Klit1 was fine a couple of minutes later when he was getting his robe on. The blinding and deafening pain went pretty quickly once he'd given up didn't it?

So, in your fantasy world, Vitali never lost legitimately and probably, nay DEFINATELY, would have gone on to have been an all time great. Is that the song you'd like us all to be singing?

You can have the final word; I know a fervent believer when I meet one.

pundit · Post by **pundit** » 01 Sep 2006, 22:52

Collins2000 wrote:The pain was blinding him and deafening him???? Hilarious.

You ought to be on the radio with material like that.

Watch the fight and the aftermath. Klit1 was fine a couple of minutes later when he was getting his robe on. The blinding and deafening pain went pretty quickly once he'd given up didn't it?

He didn't need to move his shoulder any more, so of course the pain came down.

So, in your fantasy world, Vitali never lost legitimately

Well, a TKO because of an injury is a legit loss, as is a TKO on cuts, although both types of losses are unfortunate.

The Vitali-Byrd fight showed, however, that Vitali is a class or two above Byrd. In the end this matters more for an assessment of Vitali's quality than the paper result. Most important are his 6 rounds with Lennox Lewis, however.

and probably, nay DEFINATELY, would have gone on to have been an all time great. Is that the song you'd like us all to be singing?

Top 40 or 50 all-time perhaps, no more. Still the world's clear #1 HW between Lennox' and his retirement.

You can have the final word;

Thanks. Nice of you.

I know a fervent believer when I meet one.

If that's your name for someone with a continuously functioning brain so be it...

lvlarc · Post by **lvlarc** » 01 Sep 2006, 23:28

Prime Tyson beats Vitali, but I think it lasts the distance as I don't see Vitali getting KO'd, but with a prime Tyson once he spots weakness he'd just jump on Vitali with punch output, perhaps the ref would jump in or maybe he's forced to quit on stool? I just remember him walking straight onto a HUGE uppercut against Lewis, I think it was the 4th round? Well he didn't even flinch.

I also think that there's not many fighters on Tyson's resume that Vitali couldn't beat himself, ofcourse excluding Lennox and Holyfield.

I been noticing alot of hostile posts towards Vitali lately...just take him for who he was, a solid fighter that put up a great fight against easily the best HW of 1999-2004 (Lewis) and beat Byrd for a few rounds with one arm.

Just imagine if Wlad had Vitali's chin

sockdolager · Post by **sockdolager** » 02 Sep 2006, 01:55

Tyson KO 5 V. Klitschko

pundit · Post by **pundit** » 02 Sep 2006, 10:57

Decagon wrote:Quitali never proved that he was the clear #1. There really was no clear-cut leader in the division. Ruiz was actually trying to unify the titles, while Vitali stated that he wasn't interested in unification.

Well, Vitali went for the one and only real belt -- the WBC belt of Lennox lewis.

Normally fighters are being credigted when they refuse to get drawn into the ABC-BS and focus on the true challenges, but of course not if your name is Vitali Klitschko.