Don’t Tell Me Daniel Dubois is a Quitter

[JamesPhilips]

Bruno only lost to two hall of famers, a world champion and a contender. He rocked Tyson in the first fight and won plenty of rounds against Lewis. I think you're underrating him significantly.

Lol if the best case you can make for a fighter is from fights he lost clearly and git beaten up in 3,5 and 7 rounds (including landing only one punch of significance in 2 fights with Tyson) you are really struggling.
Not forgetting you haven’t mentioned being flattened by Bonecrusher, a fat Witherspoon and almost kod by a bodybuilder….

I have no idea why people seem to reinvent Bruno and rate him highly when he’s one of the worst heavyweight champions ever is beyond me. Dubois and him would be a 50/50 fight

Sorry James. Can’t agree.
Bonecrusher. Very decent. Took peak Tyson 12 no worries.
Witherspoon ? The most badly managed and avpided of 80’s and early 90’s heavyweights
Tyson. Ok

Dubois would not be 50/50. Not even close. Bruno would jab him to pieces

Come on now.

It’s all opinions I know

Well it’s good to have different opinions. I just believe that Bruno is severely overrated by British fans because they loved him so much. But objectively I have a different opinion. How do you think US fans rate Bruno? It would be a different story….

[jwfg]

Apart from that lucky shot vs Lennox Lewis

What makes you think it was lucky? I mean, McCall tells Manny Stewart he's going to throw that exact punch between rounds.

[jwfg]

This is the original post. The current heavies aren’t great but I feel confident the following would beat Bruno:

Fury
Usyk
Joshua
Wilder
Zhang
Ruiz
Hrgovic
Ortiz
Makhmudov
Bakole
Wardley
Anderson

And many others 50/50 including Whyte. Ajagba, Franklin.

All Bruno could do was bowl over guys he outweighed.

Bruno only lost to two hall of famers, a world champion and a contender. He rocked Tyson in the first fight and won plenty of rounds against Lewis. I think you're underrating him significantly.

Lol if the best case you can make for a fighter is from fights he lost clearly and git beaten up in 3,5 and 7 rounds (including landing only one punch of significance in 2 fights with Tyson) you are really struggling.
Not forgetting you haven’t mentioned being flattened by Bonecrusher, a fat Witherspoon and almost kod by a bodybuilder….

I have no idea why people seem to reinvent Bruno and rate him highly when he’s one of the worst heavyweight champions ever is beyond me. Dubois and him would be a 50/50 fight

I told you he beat the second best heavyweight in the world and that's a fact. You just refuse to acknowledge it.

[JamesPhilips]

Bruno only lost to two hall of famers, a world champion and a contender. He rocked Tyson in the first fight and won plenty of rounds against Lewis. I think you're underrating him significantly.

Lol if the best case you can make for a fighter is from fights he lost clearly and git beaten up in 3,5 and 7 rounds (including landing only one punch of significance in 2 fights with Tyson) you are really struggling.
Not forgetting you haven’t mentioned being flattened by Bonecrusher, a fat Witherspoon and almost kod by a bodybuilder….

I have no idea why people seem to reinvent Bruno and rate him highly when he’s one of the worst heavyweight champions ever is beyond me. Dubois and him would be a 50/50 fight

I told you he beat the second best heavyweight in the world and that's a fact. You just refuse to acknowledge it.

LMAO

[jwfg]

Lol if the best case you can make for a fighter is from fights he lost clearly and git beaten up in 3,5 and 7 rounds (including landing only one punch of significance in 2 fights with Tyson) you are really struggling.
Not forgetting you haven’t mentioned being flattened by Bonecrusher, a fat Witherspoon and almost kod by a bodybuilder….

I have no idea why people seem to reinvent Bruno and rate him highly when he’s one of the worst heavyweight champions ever is beyond me. Dubois and him would be a 50/50 fight

I told you he beat the second best heavyweight in the world and that's a fact. You just refuse to acknowledge it.

LMAO

Stick to the facts James, stick to the facts.

[JamesPhilips]

I told you he beat the second best heavyweight in the world and that's a fact. You just refuse to acknowledge it.

LMAO

Stick to the facts James, stick to the facts.

The facts are Bruno is one of the luckiest and worst heavyweight champs ever

[cormack]

Apart from that lucky shot vs Lennox Lewis

What makes you think it was lucky? I mean, McCall tells Manny Stewart he's going to throw that exact punch between rounds.

Lennox made a mistake - switched off and got caught .
99 times out of a hundred LL beats Mcall and convincingly .

[jwfg]

LMAO

Stick to the facts James, stick to the facts.

The facts are Bruno is one of the luckiest and worst heavyweight champs ever

They ain't facts, they are opinions.

[cormack]

Bruno`s main appeal was that he was a Brit in an era of Yanks .
Lewis was considered sort of foreign due to his roots in Canada so naturally fans were keener on Frank but then he just couldnt deliver in the fights that mattered at the top level .

Good british and euro level guy but not proper elite .

[jwfg]

Apart from that lucky shot vs Lennox Lewis

What makes you think it was lucky? I mean, McCall tells Manny Stewart he's going to throw that exact punch between rounds.

Lennox made a mistake - switched off and got caught .
99 times out of a hundred LL beats Mcall and convincingly .

May I draw your attention to 6:40 of the below link. Watch the following 30 seconds or so and you will be reminded that the punch was anything but lucky.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_aLXKm7YHB0

[THEBUTCH]

There was nothing lucky about McCall nailing Lewis with that counter right hand. Good punch and good stoppage by the referee.

Lewis was a great boxer, the best of his era, but an extremely sore loser to the point of poor sportsmanship.

[si7dog7]

We’re on a Dubois thread which has morphed into
Bruno and Lennox now
As it always does

[dookus]

What makes you think it was lucky? I mean, McCall tells Manny Stewart he's going to throw that exact punch between rounds.

Lennox made a mistake - switched off and got caught .
99 times out of a hundred LL beats Mcall and convincingly .

May I draw your attention to 6:40 of the below link. Watch the following 30 seconds or so and you will be reminded that the punch was anything but lucky.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_aLXKm7YHB0

Great post

[cormack]

What makes you think it was lucky? I mean, McCall tells Manny Stewart he's going to throw that exact punch between rounds.

Lennox made a mistake - switched off and got caught .
99 times out of a hundred LL beats Mcall and convincingly .

May I draw your attention to 6:40 of the below link. Watch the following 30 seconds or so and you will be reminded that the punch was anything but lucky.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_aLXKm7YHB0

I see it like it was way back - lewis throwing the same pattern and got timed .

Macarena shot

[coneye]

bEEN READING dd SAYING HE WAS GETTING UP HIS CORNER TOLD HIM TO Stay DOWN LONGER what fighter is dumb enough to stay down till 9 , he was looking at the ref all doey eyed giving vibes he did'nt want to know anymore , and in any case , what profesional fighter and his team have not been through the rigmoroll of what to do , its standard practice with ameteurs i trained never mind pro's , you relax , take the knee join the count and get up starting your rise at 8 , stand wipe your glove look at the ref and indicate your ok , if you can't do that chances are your gonna get stopped ,, but its shit that you should be going through in the gym all boxers need to know what t do ,, , i know we always every now and then had play time where fellas would spin around to lose there equiberinel or whatever the word is go down then get up to the count just to give an idea what happens with a fuzzy mind ,

Also reading his plan was to throw that upercut to the lower part of the belly , well considering he has already hit Usyk on the thigh a couple times , and low a couple of others , i can't believe these guys got paid to work with him , practicing low blows has a form of winning , telling fighters to stay down when he was at an 8 count , what are they ameteur hr .

DD is young , he's strong hits hard , and may well have the attributes to later on become the best out of a bad bunch and win that title , but he's not gonna do it with the team he's got , .

[Controversial]

He’s 26 in a few days so not the young kid anymore, they should get him out again and start giving him better opponents, he’s not learning anything knocking soft touches over.

[gregregegg]

DDD is getting stuck in Anthony yard mode a bit. Needs some middle ground.

Kabayal for the EBU or something… (just a hypothetical level guide)

[margaret thatcher]

he shouldve fought carlos takam in one of those wba defenses , still should fight him. a guy he can beat in a hard working fight to give him some more confidence he can win even if he doesnt stop the guy early or have it all his way

kaybayel would be good too, but agit doesnt seem to want to fight anyone remotely decent for a while now. bizarre career in which he did absolutely nothing to capitalize on his momentum he had

[Ruthless-RKO]

He’s 26 in a few days so not the young kid anymore, they should get him out again and start giving him better opponents, he’s not learning anything knocking soft touches over.

He’s young.. he’ll find his heart.. just like Hughie Fury is still young and he’ll find his man powah!!

[cormack]

I posted on here a while back that in my view DD was overmatched and badly managed by warrens and a lot of people disagreed saying it was good business etc and made dubois decent money and that he was young enough to develop .

I still feel the same frankly he wasnt ready for JJ and it was way too big a jump up from knocking out cans .

The way things are going he will continue in the same way with the same management making the same mistakes and could end up not getting anywhere near to his potential .

But plenty people will have had their cut ££

[TheLeprechaun]

Oliver McCall was ranked number #2 in the world by Ring Magazine when Bruno beat him. Coetzee was ranked #6 for 1985 and was still a top ten heavyweight when Frank beat him.. The rest is just speculation.

So, you're wrong. Bruno did beat world class fighters,

Correct, and a number of solid fringe contenders. Bruno was a difficult nights work for better fighters than Joshua or Wilder, that is for sure.

Bruno is the most overrated British fighter ever, he wouldn’t beat anyone in the top 10 except Daniel Dubois possibly

Bruno won every round against Lewis by out jabbing him and out boxing him. He got caught with a counter and finished but in terms of boxing and taking out the counter which hurt him, he was the superior boxer that night. He hurt Lewis quite a few times. There is no planet that wilder or Joshua would put up a performance like that or even fury for that matter imo.

[JamesPhilips]

Correct, and a number of solid fringe contenders. Bruno was a difficult nights work for better fighters than Joshua or Wilder, that is for sure.

Bruno is the most overrated British fighter ever, he wouldn’t beat anyone in the top 10 except Daniel Dubois possibly

Bruno won every round against Lewis by out jabbing him and out boxing him. He got caught with a counter and finished but in terms of boxing and taking out the counter which hurt him, he was the superior boxer that night. He hurt Lewis quite a few times. There is no planet that wilder or Joshua would put up a performance like that or even fury for that matter imo.

Considering Rahman and McCall both kod Lewis, there’s every chance either could do the same to Lewis

Also the question is not how they would do against Lewis but how they’ would do against Bruno. Both would KO him.

And Mavrovic and Mercer did better than Bruno against Lewis… are the now ATHs according to you?

Bruno was stiff, chinny, had only rudimentary skills but good power. He feared in smaller, limited and over the hill opponents. The fact you can only make a case for him using his losses (all conclusive) illustrates his limitations.

[TheLeprechaun]

Bruno is the most overrated British fighter ever, he wouldn’t beat anyone in the top 10 except Daniel Dubois possibly

Bruno won every round against Lewis by out jabbing him and out boxing him. He got caught with a counter and finished but in terms of boxing and taking out the counter which hurt him, he was the superior boxer that night. He hurt Lewis quite a few times. There is no planet that wilder or Joshua would put up a performance like that or even fury for that matter imo.

Considering Rahman and McCall both kod Lewis, there’s every chance either could do the same to Lewis

Also the question is not how they would do against Lewis but how they’ would do against Bruno. Both would KO him.

And Mavrovic and Mercer did better than Bruno against Lewis… are the now ATHs according to you?

Bruno was stiff, chinny, had only rudimentary skills but good power. He feared in smaller, limited and over the hill opponents. The fact you can only make a case for him using his losses (all conclusive) illustrates his limitations.

Rahman and McCall both KO Bruno? McCall didn't and I don't think Rahman would have.

Mavrovic lost every round so he didn't do as well as Bruno who won every round and was well on his way to winning. Mercer did force a draw on my scorecard, winning the battle of the jabs vs Lewis like Bruno did. Mercer vs Bruno isn't easy to call. I give Mercer the edge due to his chin but Bruno could crack very hard.

Bruno was stiff and chinny but did the basics very well, had a good enough jab and skills to win every round against Lewis at the time and he had good power, you only have to look at his KO ratio. Guys like AJ, Wilder are not good fighters. Fury isn't hard to hit either and made his name off a very cowardly performance by Wlad Klitschko in a fight that the bookies had both fighters at even money at the final bell because nobody knew who would get the decision due to the fight being so poor. Brunos jab would work well vs Fury and I don't see Fury taking a right hand from Bruno well at all. Joshua and Wilder would get KO'd.

I think you need a refresher on Bruno and I'd start with the Lewis fight.

[JamesPhilips]

Bruno won every round against Lewis by out jabbing him and out boxing him. He got caught with a counter and finished but in terms of boxing and taking out the counter which hurt him, he was the superior boxer that night. He hurt Lewis quite a few times. There is no planet that wilder or Joshua would put up a performance like that or even fury for that matter imo.

Considering Rahman and McCall both kod Lewis, there’s every chance either could do the same to Lewis

Also the question is not how they would do against Lewis but how they’ would do against Bruno. Both would KO him.

And Mavrovic and Mercer did better than Bruno against Lewis… are the now ATHs according to you?

Bruno was stiff, chinny, had only rudimentary skills but good power. He feared in smaller, limited and over the hill opponents. The fact you can only make a case for him using his losses (all conclusive) illustrates his limitations.

Rahman and McCall both KO Bruno? McCall didn't and I don't think Rahman would have.

Mavrovic lost every round so he didn't do as well as Bruno who won every round and was well on his way to winning. Mercer did force a draw on my scorecard, winning the battle of the jabs vs Lewis like Bruno did. Mercer vs Bruno isn't easy to call. I give Mercer the edge due to his chin but Bruno could crack very hard.

Bruno was stiff and chinny but did the basics very well, had a good enough jab and skills to win every round against Lewis at the time and he had good power, you only have to look at his KO ratio. Guys like AJ, Wilder are not good fighters. Fury isn't hard to hit either and made his name off a very cowardly performance by Wlad Klitschko in a fight that the bookies had both fighters at even money at the final bell because nobody knew who would get the decision due to the fight being so poor. Brunos jab would work well vs Fury and I don't see Fury taking a right hand from Bruno well at all. Joshua and Wilder would get KO'd.

I think you need a refresher on Bruno and I'd start with the Lewis fight.

Ok. I stand by the assumption that Bruno is ordinary and hugely overrated by British fans cos they love him

[jwfg]

Considering Rahman and McCall both kod Lewis, there’s every chance either could do the same to Lewis

Also the question is not how they would do against Lewis but how they’ would do against Bruno. Both would KO him.

And Mavrovic and Mercer did better than Bruno against Lewis… are the now ATHs according to you?

Bruno was stiff, chinny, had only rudimentary skills but good power. He feared in smaller, limited and over the hill opponents. The fact you can only make a case for him using his losses (all conclusive) illustrates his limitations.

Rahman and McCall both KO Bruno? McCall didn't and I don't think Rahman would have.

Mavrovic lost every round so he didn't do as well as Bruno who won every round and was well on his way to winning. Mercer did force a draw on my scorecard, winning the battle of the jabs vs Lewis like Bruno did. Mercer vs Bruno isn't easy to call. I give Mercer the edge due to his chin but Bruno could crack very hard.

Bruno was stiff and chinny but did the basics very well, had a good enough jab and skills to win every round against Lewis at the time and he had good power, you only have to look at his KO ratio. Guys like AJ, Wilder are not good fighters. Fury isn't hard to hit either and made his name off a very cowardly performance by Wlad Klitschko in a fight that the bookies had both fighters at even money at the final bell because nobody knew who would get the decision due to the fight being so poor. Brunos jab would work well vs Fury and I don't see Fury taking a right hand from Bruno well at all. Joshua and Wilder would get KO'd.

I think you need a refresher on Bruno and I'd start with the Lewis fight.

Ok. I stand by the assumption that Bruno is ordinary and hugely overrated by British fans cos they love him

How high do you think his fans overate him,? I mean, I've never met a single person who thought he had a rock solid chin, great stamina and was the best heavyweight in the world.