Zhilei Zhang vs. Joe Joyce II | TNT Sport - 23 September 2023

[tonyevs]

Hrgovic to his credit set a high work rate against Zhang - and Zhang`s couldn`t keep up, but was still very much in there and dangerous until the end.

Based on their last fight - Joyce did not appear strong enough, or fast enough to make Zhang work harder than what he will be happy doing.
If Joyce can`t avoid that back hand of Zhangs .. or land that jab to keep Zhang busy, then relying on Zhang blowing in the later rounds seems overly optimistic and desperate.

[SeanBrennan]

People forget Zhang has terrible stamina. Joyce can take this late tko.

he really does doesn't he. That Forrest fight was bonkers.

[tonyevs]

The Forrest fight was 2 years ago - Zhang had improved this part of his game when he fought Hrgovic.

Zhang will never have the stamina to be a high output fighter. But if Joyces plan is to walk forward and hope Zhang tires himself out by punching Joyce in the face for 8 rnds then the plan may be a tad flawed.

[Ruthless-RKO]

The Forrest fight was 2 years ago - Zhang had improved this part of his game when he fought Hrgovic.

Zhang will never have the stamina to be a high output fighter. But if Joyces plan is to walk forward and hope Zhang tires himself out by punching Joyce in the face for 8 rnds then the plan may be a tad flawed.

The Forrest fight wasn’t to do much with stamina.

I’ve read that he was really unwell.

[tonyevs]

Forrest gave him trouble because he is southpaw and quite fast ... neither of which Joyce is.


Joyce had built a reputation of being a relentless type of guy who wore people out with his strength .. but Zhang looked the stronger of the two and showed he can buzz Joyce if he tags him.

Joyce will need to have improved his defence, and show a more intelligent offence too. Its a big ask for a guy knocking 40 to do within 5 months I`d say.

[Ruthless-RKO]

Forrest gave him trouble because he is southpaw and quite fast ... neither of which Joyce is.


Joyce had built a reputation of being a relentless type of guy who wore people out with his strength .. but Zhang looked the stronger of the two and showed he can buzz Joyce if he tags him.

Joyce will need to have improved his defence, and show a more intelligent offence too. Its a big ask for a guy knocking 40 to do within 5 months I`d say.

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[tonyevs]

Forrest gave him trouble because he is southpaw and quite fast ... neither of which Joyce is.


Joyce had built a reputation of being a relentless type of guy who wore people out with his strength .. but Zhang looked the stronger of the two and showed he can buzz Joyce if he tags him.

Joyce will need to have improved his defence, and show a more intelligent offence too. Its a big ask for a guy knocking 40 to do within 5 months I`d say.

https://www.badlefthook.com/platform/am ... -news-2021

A boxer and his team always have an excuse for a bad showing .. David Hayes bad toe, Dubois disappointment when they called it a low blow putting Usyk down ..

I'm not saying Zhang wasn't dehydrated after such a tiring fight against Forrest. I not so convinced it was the reason he gassed so badly though.

But he appears to have improved that part of his game, so credit to him for using it as a useful lesson.

[si7dog7]

Forrest gave him trouble because he is southpaw and quite fast ... neither of which Joyce is.


Joyce had built a reputation of being a relentless type of guy who wore people out with his strength .. but Zhang looked the stronger of the two and showed he can buzz Joyce if he tags him.

Joyce will need to have improved his defence, and show a more intelligent offence too. Its a big ask for a guy knocking 40 to do within 5 months I`d say.

https://www.badlefthook.com/platform/am ... -news-2021

A boxer and his team always have an excuse for a bad showing .. David Hayes bad toe, Dubois disappointment when they called it a low blow putting Usyk down ..

I'm not saying Zhang wasn't dehydrated after such a tiring fight against Forrest. I not so convinced it was the reason he gassed so badly though.

But he appears to have improved that part of his game, so credit to him for using it as a useful lesson.

Dev, can you explain “the back hand”in previous posts?
I’m at a loss

[Teddy's Toupee]

Forrest gave him trouble because he is southpaw and quite fast ... neither of which Joyce is.


Joyce had built a reputation of being a relentless type of guy who wore people out with his strength .. but Zhang looked the stronger of the two and showed he can buzz Joyce if he tags him.

Joyce will need to have improved his defence, and show a more intelligent offence too. Its a big ask for a guy knocking 40 to do within 5 months I`d say.

https://www.badlefthook.com/platform/am ... -news-2021

A boxer and his team always have an excuse for a bad showing .. David Hayes bad toe, Dubois disappointment when they called it a low blow putting Usyk down ..

I'm not saying Zhang wasn't dehydrated after such a tiring fight against Forrest. I not so convinced it was the reason he gassed so badly though.

But he appears to have improved that part of his game, so credit to him for using it as a useful lesson.

Maybe Zhang's been on the wild Chinese boar diet?

[tonyevs]

https://www.badlefthook.com/platform/am ... -news-2021

A boxer and his team always have an excuse for a bad showing .. David Hayes bad toe, Dubois disappointment when they called it a low blow putting Usyk down ..

I'm not saying Zhang wasn't dehydrated after such a tiring fight against Forrest. I not so convinced it was the reason he gassed so badly though.

But he appears to have improved that part of his game, so credit to him for using it as a useful lesson.

Dev, can you explain “the back hand”in previous posts?
I’m at a loss

in case you meant for me to explain ..

A back hand is the straight powershot opposite to the hand you jab with. For orthodox its the right hand - for southpaws its the left hand. Basically the punch Zhang closed Joyce`s eye with.

[Controversial]

JJ needs to come in heavier I think, his engine is normally pretty good but I think he dropped too much weight last time and giving away 22lbs to a big puncher didn't help. JJ is slow anyway so it's not like he's going to be much faster coming in light.

[Coco]

I think he should come in heavy, stand in front of Zhang, be busy, make him work and move to the left with his left foot outside of Zhang's right.

But everyone has a plan until they are punched in the face

[Ricky]

Looking forward to this one. All the pressure on JJJ to find a change in his usual game plan to avoid getting plastered again.

[Gran Hermano]

Dubois who was leathered around the ring by Kevin lerena

Because of a freak injury and STILL he KO'd Lerena.

He's better than Zhang?

You mean the Zhang who lost to Hrgovic? That Zhang? See? We can both do this. Hrgovic is absolutely awful.

On what planet exactly?

All planets.

Usyk is not a KO guy but I have no doubt he will KO Dubois.

Your opinion on what will happen in a completely different fight has nothing to do with the rematch between Zhang & Joyce.

Joyce is garbage. It's going the same way as last time.

[Teddy's Toupee]

I think he should come in heavy, stand in front of Zhang, be busy, make him work and move to the left with his left foot outside of Zhang's right.

But everyone has a plan until they are punched in the face

He should be praticing countering Zhang's jab with his right hand. Unfortunately for Joyce this requires a degree of head movement, timing and some speed.

[polecateddy]

I think he should come in heavy, stand in front of Zhang, be busy, make him work and move to the left with his left foot outside of Zhang's right.

But everyone has a plan until they are punched in the face

He should be praticing countering Zhang's jab with his right hand. Unfortunately for Joyce this requires a degree of head movement, timing and some speed.

It would be quite a turn around, considering Joyce is 37 and the fight will only have been 5 months ago. Presumably some of those 5 months were spent resting up and recovering. I can’t see him having anything new to offer. Busted up again and probable retirement? Small chance Zhang turns up fat and out of shape I suppose.

[Coco]

Also JJ needs to parry and catch more with his lead hand and hold his back hand tucked against his head

[Manchester Hitman]

Big Joe Joyce to bludgeon Zhang down the stretch and get the job done on points/late stoppage

[jameswilson]

Joyce to turn into the second coming of Pernell Whittaker having fought face first his entire career.

[tonyevs]

Also JJ needs to parry and catch more with his lead hand and hold his back hand tucked against his head

I think your advise may well be a bit too complicated.

Keep it simple. Everytime Zhang punches, then Joyce to punch him first .. and harder.

Also, when Joyce isn't able to punch Zhang first, to just avoid Zhang's punches.
Just the basics eh

[JamesPhilips]

Joyce to turn into the second coming of Pernell Whittaker having fought face first his entire career.

[Nightmare Roy]

Joyce to turn into the second coming of Pernell Whittaker having fought face first his entire career.

[jameswilson]

Also JJ needs to parry and catch more with his lead hand and hold his back hand tucked against his head

I think your advise may well be a bit too complicated.

Keep it simple. Everytime Zhang punches, then Joyce to punch him first .. and harder.

Also, when Joyce isn't able to punch Zhang first, to just avoid Zhang's punches.
Just the basics eh

As slow as he is, Zhang’s left cross is faster than Joyce’s straight right.

And Joe has never moved out the way of a punch in his life.

[tonyevs]

Also JJ needs to parry and catch more with his lead hand and hold his back hand tucked against his head

I think your advise may well be a bit too complicated.

Keep it simple. Everytime Zhang punches, then Joyce to punch him first .. and harder.

Also, when Joyce isn't able to punch Zhang first, to just avoid Zhang's punches.
Just the basics eh

As slow as he is, Zhang’s left cross is faster than Joyce’s straight right.

And Joe has never moved out the way of a punch in his life.

Yep; I guess you right there.

Maybe the more technical advise of parrying off and having his right tucked against his head will work better. I just not convinced Joyce can stick to such a technical fight plan all night.

Zhang was hitting Joyce at times 2, 3, and even 4 times consecutively with that straight left; and that was before the swollen eye closed up.

[lookingaround87]

Dubois who was leathered around the ring by Kevin lerena

Because of a freak injury and STILL he KO'd Lerena.

He's better than Zhang?

You mean the Zhang who lost to Hrgovic? That Zhang? See? We can both do this. Hrgovic is absolutely awful.

On what planet exactly?

All planets.

Usyk is not a KO guy but I have no doubt he will KO Dubois.

Your opinion on what will happen in a completely different fight has nothing to do with the rematch between Zhang & Joyce.

Joyce is garbage. It's going the same way as last time.

Another moron presenting his opinion as fact. Okay goof, you post the betting slip with all the money you have on Zhang winning by stoppage (presumably you believe it'll end in the 6th round again), so go hit the jackpot. Oh, what's that? You're full of sh*t? Thought so.

Zhang could barely beat Hrgovic (who is truly awful), so if we're talking about who's garbage, maybe you should take a look at Zhang.