quickeyg wrote: ↑22 Sep 2023, 11:25
Off the top of my head, I seem to recall the talk of Wladimir Klitschko being poisoned after the Brewster fight. What happened to his test results/blood samples - they were destroyed - why? King was telling people to bet on Brewster (Could of been the Purity fight)
Obviously you support Joshua in a big way (fanboy) Fury has surpassed him in many ways. October 28th in Saudi, this platform will propel him into another dimension and leave Joshua fare fare behind. Fury has a lot of momentum and the BIG bucks will be generated that night. Joshua was never the face of boxing in my eyes. He failed in America. He's still ducking Fury and Wilder. Lost to Ruiz in America and lost to Usyk twice (Had a meltdown and cry) which was embarrassing.
Klitschko was taylor made for Joshua. I always remember his back in that fight looking odd. The 6th round showed a major flaw in AJ. For one it proved his ring IQ was poor and was too flat footed. Obviously they worked on that.
Fury is unbeaten (Zero losses), unbeaten in America, a NAME in America - had the most memorable heavyweight trilogy in the history of boxing against Deontay Wilder and has held all the heavyweight belts. Records have been broken and More records will be broken in due course.
Oh and waiting for Wilder to turn 40 years old? (Aging him out tactic) His team have no confidence in him. Can he EVER beat someone in their prime? Answer is no.
Zhang's interview? I'll watch Team America tonight. Isn't his team affiliated with Edd? No surprise there then.
What do you think of Jarrell Miller (who failed tests) accusing Anthony Joshua of taking T.U.E.S? 4 Matchroom fighters have failed ped tests, which looks extremely bad.
big lennox wrote: ↑22 Sep 2023, 09:32
His loses to Ruiz and Uysk are against a level of competition that Fury has never faced. So comparisons can't be drawn.
I think you’re overrating the little fat Mexican that lost to Fury’s sparring partner.
big lennox wrote: ↑22 Sep 2023, 04:31
Bellew, like everyone else, know what a talent Fury is, and it's mega frustrating to watch it being wasted on meaningless fights.
Bellew always slates Fury. Even though he never beat one champion in his whole career he claimed he’d stop Fury within 6 rounds
I wish Bellew had gone up to Cruiserweight earlier. That weight suited him. He beat some very good fighters in his career, and getting in with Ovil McKenzie ( not a big name but a huge puncher) takes some bottle.
Personally, I think he was a little fortuitous to box Haye at that stage of Haye's career, especially with all his injuries.
I think Bellew was outstanding in his fight against Uysk. Came up short against an all time great but gave an excellent account of himself. By contrast, Fury, to date, has managed to avoid Uysk.
Re: Fury, I think he made that remark when Fury was overweight and coming out of his wilderness years. That said, I don't think Bellew could beat Fury, even Fury when not fully fit. And I think Bellew has acknowledged that.
Fury hates taking on former cruiserweights. Got dumped on his arse by Cunningham and admitted his speed and skills caused him problems.
Deliberately ballsed up the negotiations with Usyk to find a way out of fighting him and now claims he will continue to avoid fighting him.
He'd definitely beat Bellew but would probably find a way out from fighting him and take on Ken Shamrock instead.
big lennox wrote: ↑22 Sep 2023, 09:32
His loses to Ruiz and Uysk are against a level of competition that Fury has never faced. So comparisons can't be drawn.
I think you’re overrating the little fat Mexican that lost to Fury’s sparring partner.
Here's Evander Holyfield talking about how talented Andy Ruiz is:
BigDoofus wrote: ↑22 Sep 2023, 05:07
Bellew always slates Fury. Even though he never beat one champion in his whole career he claimed he’d stop Fury within 6 rounds
I wish Bellew had gone up to Cruiserweight earlier. That weight suited him. He beat some very good fighters in his career, and getting in with Ovil McKenzie ( not a big name but a huge puncher) takes some bottle.
Personally, I think he was a little fortuitous to box Haye at that stage of Haye's career, especially with all his injuries.
I think Bellew was outstanding in his fight against Uysk. Came up short against an all time great but gave an excellent account of himself. By contrast, Fury, to date, has managed to avoid Uysk.
Re: Fury, I think he made that remark when Fury was overweight and coming out of his wilderness years. That said, I don't think Bellew could beat Fury, even Fury when not fully fit. And I think Bellew has acknowledged that.
Fury hates taking on former cruiserweights. Got dumped on his arse by Cunningham and admitted his speed and skills caused him problems.
Deliberately ballsed up the negotiations with Usyk to find a way out of fighting him and now claims he will continue to avoid fighting him.
He'd definitely beat Bellew but would probably find a way out from fighting him and take on Ken Shamrock instead.
That's a fair assessment.
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big lennox wrote: ↑22 Sep 2023, 09:32
His loses to Ruiz and Uysk are against a level of competition that Fury has never faced. So comparisons can't be drawn.
I think you’re overrating the little fat Mexican that lost to Fury’s sparring partner.
Here's Evander Holyfield talking about how talented Andy Ruiz is:
It's common for boxers to say things like that after their careers. He'd have mullered Ruiz.
I wish Bellew had gone up to Cruiserweight earlier. That weight suited him. He beat some very good fighters in his career, and getting in with Ovil McKenzie ( not a big name but a huge puncher) takes some bottle.
Personally, I think he was a little fortuitous to box Haye at that stage of Haye's career, especially with all his injuries.
I think Bellew was outstanding in his fight against Uysk. Came up short against an all time great but gave an excellent account of himself. By contrast, Fury, to date, has managed to avoid Uysk.
Re: Fury, I think he made that remark when Fury was overweight and coming out of his wilderness years. That said, I don't think Bellew could beat Fury, even Fury when not fully fit. And I think Bellew has acknowledged that.
Fury hates taking on former cruiserweights. Got dumped on his arse by Cunningham and admitted his speed and skills caused him problems.
Deliberately ballsed up the negotiations with Usyk to find a way out of fighting him and now claims he will continue to avoid fighting him.
He'd definitely beat Bellew but would probably find a way out from fighting him and take on Ken Shamrock instead.
quickeyg wrote: ↑22 Sep 2023, 09:04
A win is a win, doesn't matter how you win. At the end of the day he got that all important W.
At the time Wlad was a dangerous b*st*rd.
Allegedly he failed a test which by the way has nothing to do with the Klitschko fight.
You have to keep in mind - Fury was talking about jews, gays and the devil worshippers. Don't you think 'they' would come after him in some way? hmmm I wonder what they could do??
I remember him in Monte Carlo overweight saying stop this political crap against me.
Fury rises to those big occasions unlike his British rival who fails time and time again.
It's worth remembering that Klitschko was beaten more conclusively by Corrie Saunders, Lamont Brewster, Ross Purity and Anthony Joshua.
AJ has been the biggest name in boxing this past decade so virtually every fight has carried huge amounts of pressure; and he has delivered time and time again.
His loses to Ruiz and Uysk are against a level of competition that Fury has never faced. So comparisons can't be drawn.
The one common elite boxer they have faced, AJ won by KO and Fury won on points.
My understanding is that the alleged failed PED test was the same year as the Klitschko fight, although, in fairness, Fury does maintain his innocence.
Out of interest, what did you think of Zhang's interviews?
I do believe Fury rises to the occasion, by the way, and I think his wins against Wilder ( I think he won all three & was robbed in the first fight) were sublime. I genuinely don't understand why he wouldn't want to try and wipe out Uysk and AJ. He is an exceptional talent and, I believe, would be very hard to beat in any era.
Anyway, on to the Zang vs Joyce rematch which will be a cracker.
- - Indeed, Joyce means to right the Juggernaut against the monstrous Chinese, a solid rematch, but you have failed Wlad badly, perhaps because Lennox spent his latter career ducking the Ks.
Wlad still with his ama trainer and rookie promoter in a postage stamp ring vs a notorious early KO Lefty Sanders who started the first with a typical southpaw headbutt coming in for a combination that would've downed any fighter save a McCall who ever lived. He never had a chance to recover, but after 5 hard KDs he was stopped on his feet.
Drugged by DKing against the hapless Brewster who was being easily beat up and KDed by Wlad, the last being an odd moment where Brewster going down tackled Wlad around the ankles. Notoriously crooked Ref Byrd had to help Wlad up, yet didn't call the KD nor the foul. Next round Wlad can barely hold his hands up as he moves in reverse bouncing off ropes to avoid the rampaging Brewster who to his credit sniffed out that Wlad wasn't all there. In the whole of the fight, at best Wlad took a few shots, the best being a jab. As the round ends, Wlad is bouncing off the ropes with the wild clubfighter Brewster swinging for the fences, missing over the top of his head as the bell rings. He collapses after the bell and can't get up and clearly insensible such they have to carry him to his stool. Nevada commish physical exam shows spiked blood sugar, no steroids that the Ks were repeated impugned by tyny low testosterone people, but the main blood test seems to have been "misplaced." I saw the fight with a guy who was part of SSMosely's training team, and we both agreed Wlad was clearly drugged by King as did Manny Stewert and Vitali and others. Yeah right, Vegas commish.
Moving on, as promising prospect, he's fighting in his 25th fight in 25 months as a 22 yr old Olympic Gold Medalist, and when was the last time anything like that happened? He was beating on Puritty like a drum, but credit Puritty as big, strong journeyman able to bid his time after doing nothing much like Bonecrusher did to Mike Tyson in the last round hoping for a gift, but even after the KD Wlad was up and eventually stopped on his feet by his ama coach, one of the reasons they went with Manny eventually.
Sanders and AJ are the only fighters to legit stop Wlad, and in every case he was on his feet at the stoppage. In short, he was never one punched to Bolivia via Timbuktu like Lenny was twice...
You’re coming over a bit like a conspiracy theorist. Are you on team Russell Brand too? Wlad seemed to be burning up too much energy in both his two early loses. He just effectively completely gassed out. He only later learned to calm down, fight tall etc. and what’s this nonsense about Lewis avoiding the Klitschko’ during his latter career. No that didn’t happen! Lewis really did fight the fights people wanted to see.
The Gratest wrote: ↑23 Sep 2023, 05:24
He'd definitely beat Bellew but would probably find a way out from fighting him and take on Ken Shamrock instead.
That's a fair assessment.
There are two people in the world who believe that Tyson Fury is afraid of Bellew.
They both post every day about Tyson Fury.
Spud wrote: ↑23 Sep 2023, 08:30
Tyson Fury will not fight another contender again.
He is either retired or if not something else is preventing him fighting again.
I totally agree. All he wants is this fight against a mma boxing novice to be a commercial success, and then all he’ll want to do is Netflix and fight novices. I think if he was honest about what he was doing for family or other reasons it would be more acceptable than this constant lying and pretending he embraces.
The Gratest wrote: ↑23 Sep 2023, 09:55
There's that strange wailing and weeping sound again
Like a tiny heartbroken child whose hero has finally revealed himself to be a massive shithouse.
If BigDoofus is John Fury am I the only person who thinks he looks like Pam St Clement?
quite even spread in the poll. I went for Fury TKO but it is not one anyone knows with any real certainty. I really do hope they fight. Would be an all time great performance if Usyk managed to out think Fury.
It's worth remembering that Klitschko was beaten more conclusively by Corrie Saunders, Lamont Brewster, Ross Purity and Anthony Joshua.
AJ has been the biggest name in boxing this past decade so virtually every fight has carried huge amounts of pressure; and he has delivered time and time again.
His loses to Ruiz and Uysk are against a level of competition that Fury has never faced. So comparisons can't be drawn.
The one common elite boxer they have faced, AJ won by KO and Fury won on points.
My understanding is that the alleged failed PED test was the same year as the Klitschko fight, although, in fairness, Fury does maintain his innocence.
Out of interest, what did you think of Zhang's interviews?
I do believe Fury rises to the occasion, by the way, and I think his wins against Wilder ( I think he won all three & was robbed in the first fight) were sublime. I genuinely don't understand why he wouldn't want to try and wipe out Uysk and AJ. He is an exceptional talent and, I believe, would be very hard to beat in any era.
Anyway, on to the Zang vs Joyce rematch which will be a cracker.
- - Indeed, Joyce means to right the Juggernaut against the monstrous Chinese, a solid rematch, but you have failed Wlad badly, perhaps because Lennox spent his latter career ducking the Ks.
Wlad still with his ama trainer and rookie promoter in a postage stamp ring vs a notorious early KO Lefty Sanders who started the first with a typical southpaw headbutt coming in for a combination that would've downed any fighter save a McCall who ever lived. He never had a chance to recover, but after 5 hard KDs he was stopped on his feet.
Drugged by DKing against the hapless Brewster who was being easily beat up and KDed by Wlad, the last being an odd moment where Brewster going down tackled Wlad around the ankles. Notoriously crooked Ref Byrd had to help Wlad up, yet didn't call the KD nor the foul. Next round Wlad can barely hold his hands up as he moves in reverse bouncing off ropes to avoid the rampaging Brewster who to his credit sniffed out that Wlad wasn't all there. In the whole of the fight, at best Wlad took a few shots, the best being a jab. As the round ends, Wlad is bouncing off the ropes with the wild clubfighter Brewster swinging for the fences, missing over the top of his head as the bell rings. He collapses after the bell and can't get up and clearly insensible such they have to carry him to his stool. Nevada commish physical exam shows spiked blood sugar, no steroids that the Ks were repeated impugned by tyny low testosterone people, but the main blood test seems to have been "misplaced." I saw the fight with a guy who was part of SSMosely's training team, and we both agreed Wlad was clearly drugged by King as did Manny Stewert and Vitali and others. Yeah right, Vegas commish.
Moving on, as promising prospect, he's fighting in his 25th fight in 25 months as a 22 yr old Olympic Gold Medalist, and when was the last time anything like that happened? He was beating on Puritty like a drum, but credit Puritty as big, strong journeyman able to bid his time after doing nothing much like Bonecrusher did to Mike Tyson in the last round hoping for a gift, but even after the KD Wlad was up and eventually stopped on his feet by his ama coach, one of the reasons they went with Manny eventually.
Sanders and AJ are the only fighters to legit stop Wlad, and in every case he was on his feet at the stoppage. In short, he was never one punched to Bolivia via Timbuktu like Lenny was twice...
You’re coming over a bit like a conspiracy theorist. Are you on team Russell Brand too? Wlad seemed to be burning up too much energy in both his two early loses. He just effectively completely gassed out. He only later learned to calm down, fight tall etc. and what’s this nonsense about Lewis avoiding the Klitschko’ during his latter career. No that didn’t happen! Lewis really did fight the fights people wanted to see.
- 25 fights in 25 months as a prospect, so pray tell us again the last time a HOF fighter kept that schedule at 22 yrs of age with a rookie promoter and trainer? And when was the last time any fighter approached and broke in part Joe Louis heavy title record from 7 decades ago?
Russell Brand I never heard of until soft Brits go gaga over the recent news of his illicit reputation.
Zhang gave a good account vs Hrg, the only time he really looked good that I have seen of him. He's been heavily protected in an otherwise mostly fraudulent career.
Joyce is known quality that I pick to take care of business. Surely he's healthier than before no matter the weight, and the Parker he beat would've demolished Zhang whom I am not disparaging, but rather acknowledging his limitations. At age 40 and 38, neither will be using new tricks
The Gratest wrote: ↑23 Sep 2023, 09:55
There's that strange wailing and weeping sound again
Like a tiny heartbroken child whose hero has finally revealed himself to be a massive shithouse.
If BigDoofus is John Fury am I the only person who thinks he looks like Pam St Clement?
Hey aye, I hadn't noticed it before but now that you mention it...
The Gratest wrote: ↑23 Sep 2023, 09:55
There's that strange wailing and weeping sound again
Like a tiny heartbroken child whose hero has finally revealed himself to be a massive shithouse.
If BigDoofus is John Fury am I the only person who thinks he looks like Pam St Clement?
Hey aye, I hadn't noticed it before but now that you mention it...
Can you post a picture of Pat Butcher in a baseball hat?
