Round-by-Round: Tyson Fury vs Francis Ngannou - 28th October 2023

[margaret thatcher]

quite a bitter dude is that Geordie fella.

Fury did humiliate him

Aye, he did.

being 35 and squealing like a baby because someone doesnt like you fighting del a third time hardly amounts to humiliating anyone but yourself. if these dudes are such bitter losers why even be riled up that much by them?

these 'influencers' love reactions like that too. anything in bits that will get hits. geordie guy probably couldnt get enough of it and that's why he's at it again. fury throwing the rattle out the pram is the only reason i even know who that guy is

[polecateddy]

I think it’s fair comment that Lewis when confronted with a relative novice - very relative as Michael Grant had had plenty of build up fights - that he exploited all the holes in his game and destroyed him in two rounds. If that version of Michael Grant had been in Dubai, would it have been a good night for Grant in comparison?

[CaptainSpacerod]

Matt Christie on his podcast talked about this nearly being the biggest shock he’d ever seen in boxing, right up there with Tyson v Buster Douglas. Talks a lot of sense usually Matt but he must’ve banged his head.

No chance. This wasn’t even a real fight was it ? More of an exhibition / hard spar. No way in the world was Fury ever gonna lose to Nganou and scupper the $100m Usyk fight.

Then he went on to say that on the evidence of this fight you’d have to place Nganou in the top ten HWs. He’s temporarily taken leave of his senses. Would he even get in the top ten British HWs ?

[si7dog7]

I think it’s fair comment that Lewis when confronted with a relative novice - very relative as Michael Grant had had plenty of build up fights - that he exploited all the holes in his game and destroyed him in two rounds. If that version of Michael Grant had been in Dubai, would it have been a good night for Grant in comparison?

Tbf to Grant he had been in with a few decent pros like Ross Purity, Gonzalez, Cole.
He wasn’t at that level but was fast tracked into facing the Champ.
Yet again, Lewis is brought into a Fury thread. There is no comparison. None.
Levels.

[polecateddy]

I think it’s fair comment that Lewis when confronted with a relative novice - very relative as Michael Grant had had plenty of build up fights - that he exploited all the holes in his game and destroyed him in two rounds. If that version of Michael Grant had been in Dubai, would it have been a good night for Grant in comparison?

Tbf to Grant he had been in with a few decent pros like Ross Purity, Gonzalez, Cole.
He wasn’t at that level but was fast tracked into facing the Champ.
Yet again, Lewis is brought into a Fury thread. There is no comparison. None.
Levels.

I agree, there really isn’t any comparison. The Bowe/Holyfield/Lewis group were in another league. The speed, skill and power they had is very obviously on another level. You just have to rewatch their fights. Fury at 35 is hardly going to be elevate himself very much between now and February. It’s a nonsense really. Training camps for the greats were so important. Holyfield had Tua in camp before upsetting Tyson etc. Really good quality stuff you can still see YouTube footage of. Tyson Fury is just pure gaslighting of boxing fans at this point. His training seems to have become a joke. Imagine him on celebrity superstars. He’d be like a laughing stock coming last in everything!

[si7dog7]

I think it’s fair comment that Lewis when confronted with a relative novice - very relative as Michael Grant had had plenty of build up fights - that he exploited all the holes in his game and destroyed him in two rounds. If that version of Michael Grant had been in Dubai, would it have been a good night for Grant in comparison?

Tbf to Grant he had been in with a few decent pros like Ross Purity, Gonzalez, Cole.
He wasn’t at that level but was fast tracked into facing the Champ.
Yet again, Lewis is brought into a Fury thread. There is no comparison. None.
Levels.

I agree, there really isn’t any comparison. The Bowe/Holyfield/Lewis group were in another league. The speed, skill and power they had is very obviously on another level. You just have to rewatch their fights. Fury at 35 is hardly going to be elevate himself very much between now and February. It’s a nonsense really. Training camps for the greats were so important. Holyfield had Tua in camp before upsetting Tyson etc. Really good quality stuff you can still see YouTube footage of. Tyson Fury is just pure gaslighting of boxing fans at this point. His training seems to have become a joke. Imagine him on celebrity superstars. He’d be like a laughing stock coming last in everything!

Superb.

[tonyevs]

It wasn't that long ago that Fat John Fury was claiming nobody could keep up with Tyson Fury in a gym session because he is so fit.

That was typical Fat Fury of course because the world could see by Tyson Fury's physique the only effort he put into running was to the fridge or biscuit tin.

[The Gratest]

With Fury's little nick ruling him out for December 23rd, the Saudi's are looking to keep the date with a Ngannou vs Zhang/Parker main event.

https://boxingnewsonline.net/saudi-arab ... cember-23/

[stujones]

It wasn't that long ago that Fat John Fury was claiming nobody could keep up with Tyson Fury in a gym session because he is so fit.

That was typical Fat Fury of course because the world could see by Tyson Fury's physique the only effort he put into running was to the fridge or biscuit tin.

He was in poor condition yes, but compared to him in the press conference I think this “didn’t train at all” is an exaggeration.

Now happy to criticise the ballooning between Chisora and that presser yes.

How did his weight compare to his first comeback fights? as he looked huge then also

[Frostieballs]

With Fury's little nick ruling him out for December 23rd, the Saudi's are looking to keep the date with a Ngannou vs Zhang/Parker main event.

https://boxingnewsonline.net/saudi-arab ... cember-23/

Imagine if Zhang bangs him out inside 3 rounds!

[Controversial]

With Fury's little nick ruling him out for December 23rd, the Saudi's are looking to keep the date with a Ngannou vs Zhang/Parker main event.

https://boxingnewsonline.net/saudi-arab ... cember-23/

Imagine if Zhang bangs him out inside 3 rounds!

The thing is no world ranked opponent will go into a fight with Ngannou now and not prepare properly or try their hardest to beat him. He was an unknown quantity before. I still don't think he's anything special, just very big and strong but sometimes that's all you need at HW. Let's face it Joe Joyce is as slow as a snail and has very little skill, he was just a big lump with better stamina than most who could take and dish out punishment and he was doing well before facing someone bigger and stronger than him.

[si7dog7]

With Fury's little nick ruling him out for December 23rd, the Saudi's are looking to keep the date with a Ngannou vs Zhang/Parker main event.

https://boxingnewsonline.net/saudi-arab ... cember-23/

Imagine if Zhang bangs him out inside 3 rounds!

The thing is no world ranked opponent will go into a fight with Ngannou now and not prepare properly or try their hardest to beat him. He was an unknown quantity before. I still don't think he's anything special, just very big and strong but sometimes that's all you need at HW. Let's face it Joe Joyce is as slow as a snail and has very little skill, he was just a big lump with better stamina than most who could take and dish out punishment and he was doing well before facing someone bigger and stronger than him.

Joe needs a little credit
“Just a big lump”
Not having that. Robbed in an Olympics , that’s an argument.
Has skills. Was too old to turn pro is my take.

[Controversial]

Imagine if Zhang bangs him out inside 3 rounds!

The thing is no world ranked opponent will go into a fight with Ngannou now and not prepare properly or try their hardest to beat him. He was an unknown quantity before. I still don't think he's anything special, just very big and strong but sometimes that's all you need at HW. Let's face it Joe Joyce is as slow as a snail and has very little skill, he was just a big lump with better stamina than most who could take and dish out punishment and he was doing well before facing someone bigger and stronger than him.

Joe needs a little credit
“Just a big lump”
Not having that. Robbed in an Olympics , that’s an argument.
Has skills. Was too old to turn pro is my take.

I like Joyce but the reason he's done well isn't because he is a master boxer. His sheer size, engine and ability to take a punch are the main reasons. He is slow and doesn't have much in the way of a defence. Of course he has some ability to achieve what he's done but he is limited.

[The Gratest]

We were probably all guilty of dismissing Ngannou, and overrating Fury's skills for dealing with him. Fury did the same, probably had pre-fight delusions of easily outboxing him ala the first Wilder fight, and then setting his feet and overwhelming an exhausted Ngannou after a few rounds ala the second Wilder fight. This is probably how it played out in Fury's mind in the build up, over-confident and arrogant.

The way he mouthed off following the ref's instructions and then came straight across the ring at the first bell attempting to land a huge right on Ngannou, he expected Ngannou to crumble and then he could go on to tell the World how MMA guys should stay away from the boxing game, it's a different skill set, they don't belong. He's The Gypsy King, unbeatable!

Only Ngannou didn't crumble. He fought right back and forced Fury on the back foot. Fury attempted the usual tricks, but found out that Ngannou was too powerful to grapple with on the inside, he wasn't a twig legged Wilder who could be mauled and leaned on to sap his strength. Then he found out that, throwing his 1-2 punch combo from the outside ran the risk of getting countered by Ngannou's left. His face following the knockdown told the story of the fight...over-confidence turned into a stark realisation that he was in a fight with a very confident, powerful and prepared opponent.
His desperate attempts at clinching resembled a drunk at a wedding attempting to grab someone on the dancefloor for a hug or slow dance, but getting cast off with ease. The whole affair should result in a kick up the arse and for Fury to come to his senses prior to taking on Usyk. However, with people who are as sensitive to criticism as he is, it can often have the opposite result. Doubling down and continuing to do what they want to do, fk everyone else who says otherwise.

Other than his fitness and state of mind, I don't think this fight should be held up as an example of how Usyk will beat him. He'll be a lot more comfortable taking on the smaller, less dangerous (as in punch power)Usyk in a boxing match where he knows what the opponent brings to the table. Fury can be better prepared both mentally, physically and tactically for Usyk. Ngannou was an unknown that he took lightly and almost paid the price for.

[Autobarn]

I was hoping for a cut or knockdown against Fury, to make it memorable and spark him into some kind of inspired rally.

Disappointed to hear, then, about his insipid showing. Edging by versus an MMA fighter in boxing rules is for Jake Paul, his brother and the rest of those clowns. One hopes Fury will want to prove himself, in the next contest.

Hopefully he can pull himself out of this complacency, of becoming a celebrity boxer with a reality TV show. We can see now that an out of shape and unmotivated Fury is basically a big lump.

I want to see him rallied into the best possible shape, as he was in the second Wilder fight, so that we see the best of him versus the great Usyk.

In the meantime, if I want to enjoy boxing, I'll watch Leigh Wood slugging it out in various wars at featherweight and super bantamweight.

[jwfg]

The thing is no world ranked opponent will go into a fight with Ngannou now and not prepare properly or try their hardest to beat him. He was an unknown quantity before. I still don't think he's anything special, just very big and strong but sometimes that's all you need at HW. Let's face it Joe Joyce is as slow as a snail and has very little skill, he was just a big lump with better stamina than most who could take and dish out punishment and he was doing well before facing someone bigger and stronger than him.

Joe needs a little credit
“Just a big lump”
Not having that. Robbed in an Olympics , that’s an argument.
Has skills. Was too old to turn pro is my take.

I like Joyce but the reason he's done well isn't because he is a master boxer. His sheer size, engine and ability to take a punch are the main reasons. He is slow and doesn't have much in the way of a defence. Of course he has some ability to achieve what he's done but he is limited.

I thought he boxed brilliantly against Dubois. He didn't take many shots in that one.

[tonyevs]

It wasn't that long ago that Fat John Fury was claiming nobody could keep up with Tyson Fury in a gym session because he is so fit.

That was typical Fat Fury of course because the world could see by Tyson Fury's physique the only effort he put into running was to the fridge or biscuit tin.

He was in poor condition yes, but compared to him in the press conference I think this “didn’t train at all” is an exaggeration.

Now happy to criticise the ballooning between Chisora and that presser yes.

How did his weight compare to his first comeback fights? as he looked huge then also

Fury no doubt did his usual plodding paced training and sparring with his great mate Joe Parker. Bakole was there too - I haven`t heard Bakole claim to have knocked Fury out (as Bakole claims to have done with every other top heavyweight he has sparred) so guess they probably shadow boxed each other only ..

I don`t think Fury`s weight tells the whole story. He didn`t look as flabby as usual .. still flabby, but not quite as bad. So my guess is that he dieted down to 19.8st and didn`t train off the excess couple stone. Fury appeared to have very little muscle on his arms or chest.

[jamesmcdonnell]

Joe needs a little credit
“Just a big lump”
Not having that. Robbed in an Olympics , that’s an argument.
Has skills. Was too old to turn pro is my take.

I like Joyce but the reason he's done well isn't because he is a master boxer. His sheer size, engine and ability to take a punch are the main reasons. He is slow and doesn't have much in the way of a defence. Of course he has some ability to achieve what he's done but he is limited.

I thought he boxed brilliantly against Dubois. He didn't take many shots in that one.

Dubois is very limited though. He tried to adapt against Zhang in the rematch, but it was obvious Zhang had a lot more in his locker and was able to easily nullify Joyces attempt to circle away from the left.

[BroughtonRulesRefuge]

Tbf to Grant he had been in with a few decent pros like Ross Purity, Gonzalez, Cole.
He wasn’t at that level but was fast tracked into facing the Champ.
Yet again, Lewis is brought into a Fury thread. There is no comparison. None.
Levels.

I agree, there really isn’t any comparison. The Bowe/Holyfield/Lewis group were in another league. The speed, skill and power they had is very obviously on another level. You just have to rewatch their fights. Fury at 35 is hardly going to be elevate himself very much between now and February. It’s a nonsense really. Training camps for the greats were so important. Holyfield had Tua in camp before upsetting Tyson etc. Really good quality stuff you can still see YouTube footage of. Tyson Fury is just pure gaslighting of boxing fans at this point. His training seems to have become a joke. Imagine him on celebrity superstars. He’d be like a laughing stock coming last in everything!

Superb.

-Skunk logic spewing forth after yet another Flubber stinker, and phew, who knew?

Lewis was 37 for his last bout whereupon he chose to retire in disgrace rather than finish out the 5 more fights he had in the cue after Vit beat him up.

Field last relevant fight was 37 when losing to Lewis, after which he hung on to become DKing's favorite squeak toy to be passed around for fun and games until he was too creaky.

Big Dummy tucked tail age 29 after his popular Golata emasculations, too big & ugly to be flushed outright.

Tyson was done by age 23 as a shell of his prime, yet still able to hang on as a mentally deranged type 4 round celebrity fighter between prison sentences and Xanax scripts, printing $$$ beyond the scope of the heavywt constellation until AJ came along.

So Flubber done by age 35 you say, or as I like to note by age 27 against Wlad, whereupon like his hero Mike Tyson he replicates his own public train wreck still being played out in full color slomo for the rubes like you.

Only in boxing, folks

[jwfg]

I like Joyce but the reason he's done well isn't because he is a master boxer. His sheer size, engine and ability to take a punch are the main reasons. He is slow and doesn't have much in the way of a defence. Of course he has some ability to achieve what he's done but he is limited.

I thought he boxed brilliantly against Dubois. He didn't take many shots in that one.

He tried to adapt against Zhang in the rematch,

At least he stuck to the plan in the first round.

[tonyevs]

[media][/media]

I thought he boxed brilliantly against Dubois. He didn't take many shots in that one.

He tried to adapt against Zhang in the rematch,

At least he stuck to the plan in the first round.

Zhang merely kept stepping on Joyce's lead foot to stop him moving outside - Joyce didn't appear to know how to counter that .. Joyce's plan was ruined right then.

[The Gratest]

Thickeyg/Dev's attempted promotion of the fight falls flat

https://www.mmamania.com/2023/11/2/2394 ... -paul-buys

[Glass Joe]

Thickeyg/Dev's attempted promotion of the fight falls flat

https://www.mmamania.com/2023/11/2/2394 ... -paul-buys

this was good, they talked about the numbers. Wasnt going to do massive numbers given the time difference. was very comicial, Sonnen probably the best heel in recent times.

[Coco]

Thickeyg/Dev's attempted promotion of the fight falls flat

https://www.mmamania.com/2023/11/2/2394 ... -paul-buys

this was good, they talked about the numbers. Wasnt going to do massive numbers given the time difference. was very comicial, Sonnen probably the best heel in recent times.

Never heard of either of them, the bloke in the studio spoke sense, the other bloke is a complete moron

[SeanBrennan]

Sonnen is brilliant, excellent heel, used to turn up to presser with fake UFC title and insist he was the undefeated champion.