Fury ain’t match fit then?

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Fury ain’t match fit then?

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Be careful what you say in future Oh Great One.
AJ goes 24 rounds with an ATG and he’s ok to go?
The GK goes life and death with a novice and needs time to prep?

What a load of nonsense!

Match fit eh?
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I think he got incredibly out of shape and couldn’t make the progress in camp he was used too. I think he’s aged a fair bit and is likely a bit shot. There’s no way he can turn it around by even March. I kind of think he’ll just retire, only to come back and seek out further novelty fights. He doesn’t seem to have the conditioning, chin or power to do very much anymore on the world stage. I’m sure he knows that really!
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I thought the excuse was he had to wait 45 mins in the corridor before the ring entrance. :wave:
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polecateddy wrote: 08 Nov 2023, 10:18 I think he got incredibly out of shape and couldn’t make the progress in camp he was used too. I think he’s aged a fair bit and is likely a bit shot. There’s no way he can turn it around by even March. I kind of think he’ll just retire, only to come back and seek out further novelty fights. He doesn’t seem to have the conditioning, chin or power to do very much anymore on the world stage. I’m sure he knows that really!
Completely agree. It is a worry.
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I wouldn’t be too swayed by the Ngannou fight. Sometimes it takes a challenge to bring the best out in fighters. Fury has looked poor in some fights but so did Ali. I still think it was a combination of not really taking the fight too seriously, doing the bare minimum to get fit, underestimating Ngannou and being over confident in winning. You could say the same for Mike Tyson vs Douglas, obviously not a debutant but Douglas was given no chance by anyone and look what happened. Ngannou on the other hand had a lot to gain so trained hard and prepared properly. It was always a lose-lose fight for Fury, if he won easy everyone would've said it was a mismatch and if he struggles he gets slated.
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Not buying that underestimating and being unfit nonsense, Fury shat it, plain and simple, hence him throwing then grabbing constantly, thats why his timing was way off with the right hand, nothing to do with sharpness, it was fear, whether that fear was Ngannou's power, the thought of getting beat by a 37 year old debutant or the Usyk carrot, only Fury knows but either way he filled his nappy
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handsofstone wrote: 08 Nov 2023, 13:30 Not buying that underestimating and being unfit nonsense, Fury shat it, plain and simple, hence him throwing then grabbing constantly, thats why his timing was way off with the right hand, nothing to do with sharpness, it was fear, whether that fear was Ngannou's power, the thought of getting beat by a 37 year old debutant or the Usyk carrot, only Fury knows but either way he filled his nappy
I think everyone underestimated Ngannou. Do you really think Fury trained and focused for this fight like he did for Wilder? Fury didn't really fight any different to any other fight, the only difference was he couldn't use his weight advantage like he often does. He looked poor but I still had him winning the fight, I'd expect Fury to do better in a rematch.
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Controversial wrote: 08 Nov 2023, 13:35
handsofstone wrote: 08 Nov 2023, 13:30 Not buying that underestimating and being unfit nonsense, Fury shat it, plain and simple, hence him throwing then grabbing constantly, thats why his timing was way off with the right hand, nothing to do with sharpness, it was fear, whether that fear was Ngannou's power, the thought of getting beat by a 37 year old debutant or the Usyk carrot, only Fury knows but either way he filled his nappy
I think everyone underestimated Ngannou. Do you really think he trained and focused for this fight like he did Wilder? Fury didn't really fight any different to any other fight, the only difference was he couldn't use his weight advantage like he often does. He looked poor but I still had him winning the fight, I'd expect Fury to do better in a rematch.
He was clearly not at his best, he weighed career heaviest but he says himself in the ring after he had a 12 week camp, it's not as if he scraped himself off the couch for it, not at his fittest sure but a full camp, more than plenty time to get rid of an MMA fighter
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Everyone's making a Mountain out of this thing, and it's not a big deal.

He took the guy lightly. Barely trained. Still managed to win, just not impressively.

Whether he'll fight Usyk in a timely manner I don't know, but I doubt very highly we'll be seeing the same Fury from the Ngannou fight against Usyk. Fury would know he's got to be at his best against Usyk.
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handsofstone wrote: 08 Nov 2023, 13:50
Controversial wrote: 08 Nov 2023, 13:35
handsofstone wrote: 08 Nov 2023, 13:30 Not buying that underestimating and being unfit nonsense, Fury shat it, plain and simple, hence him throwing then grabbing constantly, thats why his timing was way off with the right hand, nothing to do with sharpness, it was fear, whether that fear was Ngannou's power, the thought of getting beat by a 37 year old debutant or the Usyk carrot, only Fury knows but either way he filled his nappy
I think everyone underestimated Ngannou. Do you really think he trained and focused for this fight like he did Wilder? Fury didn't really fight any different to any other fight, the only difference was he couldn't use his weight advantage like he often does. He looked poor but I still had him winning the fight, I'd expect Fury to do better in a rematch.
He was clearly not at his best, he weighed career heaviest but he says himself in the ring after he had a 12 week camp, it's not as if he scraped himself off the couch for it, not at his fittest sure but a full camp, more than plenty time to get rid of an MMA fighter
I don't think he didn't train but I doubt he was training too hard either. Im guessing he needed to shed a lot of weight as well.
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Controversial wrote: 08 Nov 2023, 13:59
handsofstone wrote: 08 Nov 2023, 13:50
Controversial wrote: 08 Nov 2023, 13:35

I think everyone underestimated Ngannou. Do you really think he trained and focused for this fight like he did Wilder? Fury didn't really fight any different to any other fight, the only difference was he couldn't use his weight advantage like he often does. He looked poor but I still had him winning the fight, I'd expect Fury to do better in a rematch.
He was clearly not at his best, he weighed career heaviest but he says himself in the ring after he had a 12 week camp, it's not as if he scraped himself off the couch for it, not at his fittest sure but a full camp, more than plenty time to get rid of an MMA fighter
I don't think he didn't train but I doubt he was training too hard either. Im guessing he needed to shed a lot of weight as well.
I think he trained a day on a day off. Like that. Yes that’s what I think. Must have been that wasn’t it, that he did? Didn’t train 7 days a week like I think he trained for one of the Wilder fights, the one where I think he was the best ever fighter ever. I think.
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Twinkle Toes wrote: 08 Nov 2023, 10:37 I thought the excuse was he had to wait 45 mins in the corridor before the ring entrance. :wave:
That outfit looked on the heavy side too!
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Controversial wrote: 08 Nov 2023, 13:35
handsofstone wrote: 08 Nov 2023, 13:30 Not buying that underestimating and being unfit nonsense, Fury shat it, plain and simple, hence him throwing then grabbing constantly, thats why his timing was way off with the right hand, nothing to do with sharpness, it was fear, whether that fear was Ngannou's power, the thought of getting beat by a 37 year old debutant or the Usyk carrot, only Fury knows but either way he filled his nappy
I think everyone underestimated Ngannou. Do you really think Fury trained and focused for this fight like he did for Wilder? Fury didn't really fight any different to any other fight, the only difference was he couldn't use his weight advantage like he often does. He looked poor but I still had him winning the fight, I'd expect Fury to do better in a rematch.
A bit of a contradiction there. Fury didn`t fight any different to any other fight, but you`d expect him to do better in a rematch.
How? by fighting better than he ever has before?? at his later age and after years of abusing his body and not training??

Lets be honest - Ngannou wasn`t great, its was mainly Fury was d0gshit bad. He was an embarrassment how he practically ran across the ring to grab Ngannou around the waist at times. Is that what anyone would expect from a top boxer .. let alone someone supposedly super skilled etc
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tonyevs wrote: 08 Nov 2023, 15:31
Controversial wrote: 08 Nov 2023, 13:35
handsofstone wrote: 08 Nov 2023, 13:30 Not buying that underestimating and being unfit nonsense, Fury shat it, plain and simple, hence him throwing then grabbing constantly, thats why his timing was way off with the right hand, nothing to do with sharpness, it was fear, whether that fear was Ngannou's power, the thought of getting beat by a 37 year old debutant or the Usyk carrot, only Fury knows but either way he filled his nappy
I think everyone underestimated Ngannou. Do you really think Fury trained and focused for this fight like he did for Wilder? Fury didn't really fight any different to any other fight, the only difference was he couldn't use his weight advantage like he often does. He looked poor but I still had him winning the fight, I'd expect Fury to do better in a rematch.
A bit of a contradiction there. Fury didn`t fight any different to any other fight, but you`d expect him to do better in a rematch.
How? by fighting better than he ever has before?? at his later age and after years of abusing his body and not training??

Lets be honest - Ngannou wasn`t great, its was mainly Fury was d0gshit bad. He was an embarrassment how he practically ran across the ring to grab Ngannou around the waist at times. Is that what anyone would expect from a top boxer .. let alone someone supposedly super skilled etc
I think he would do better in a rematch as he knows what to expect now. He would take it more serious and train accordingly. He had the Usyk fight on the horizon and this was meant to be an easy cash grab before that, I don't for one second think Fury gave Ngannou a chance. Who really did? Fury was poor I don't think anyone can say otherwise and he looked lost but I don't necessarily think he's shot. He may be but I just think he paid the price of being complacent and overconfident that Ngannou would be crap.
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si7dog7 wrote: 08 Nov 2023, 10:58
polecateddy wrote: 08 Nov 2023, 10:18 I think he got incredibly out of shape and couldn’t make the progress in camp he was used too. I think he’s aged a fair bit and is likely a bit shot. There’s no way he can turn it around by even March. I kind of think he’ll just retire, only to come back and seek out further novelty fights. He doesn’t seem to have the conditioning, chin or power to do very much anymore on the world stage. I’m sure he knows that really!
Completely agree. It is a worry.
Who for ?
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There are lots of rumours on the net about a possible retirement then a fight with Usyk in February. Personally I thinks it's all garbage. I'm guessing Fury will fight Usyk next and taking the 'fans' as idiots fleasing them out of hard earned cash and not showing up for the fight, flabby as ever and get beat on points with a big grin on his face. Custard pie style.
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It's kind of on a par with one of the top premiership teams being knocked out the FA Cup by some non-league club. On paper they should never lose or struggle but it sometimes happens. Underdogs sometimes play out their skin and the favourites under perform. We also see it in boxing, some hot prospect beaten by some unknown journeyman. I get that Ngannou isn't a boxer and was making his debut but he is still a fighter and someone who has apparently been keen for many years to get into boxing. It's not like he's a YouTuber who has just decided to try it. Add to that he is huge and by all accounts a massive puncher. I don't think many guys would be taking him out easy.
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MasterG wrote: 08 Nov 2023, 15:59 There are lots of rumours on the net about a possible retirement then a fight with Usyk in February. Personally I thinks it's all garbage. I'm guessing Fury will fight Usyk next and taking the 'fans' as idiots fleasing them out of hard earned cash and not showing up for the fight, flabby as ever and get beat on points with a big grin on his face. Custard pie style.
very possibly.
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Controversial wrote: 08 Nov 2023, 15:48
tonyevs wrote: 08 Nov 2023, 15:31
Controversial wrote: 08 Nov 2023, 13:35

I think everyone underestimated Ngannou. Do you really think Fury trained and focused for this fight like he did for Wilder? Fury didn't really fight any different to any other fight, the only difference was he couldn't use his weight advantage like he often does. He looked poor but I still had him winning the fight, I'd expect Fury to do better in a rematch.
A bit of a contradiction there. Fury didn`t fight any different to any other fight, but you`d expect him to do better in a rematch.
How? by fighting better than he ever has before?? at his later age and after years of abusing his body and not training??

Lets be honest - Ngannou wasn`t great, its was mainly Fury was d0gshit bad. He was an embarrassment how he practically ran across the ring to grab Ngannou around the waist at times. Is that what anyone would expect from a top boxer .. let alone someone supposedly super skilled etc
I think he would do better in a rematch as he knows what to expect now. He would take it more serious and train accordingly. He had the Usyk fight on the horizon and this was meant to be an easy cash grab before that, I don't for one second think Fury gave Ngannou a chance. Who really did? Fury was poor I don't think anyone can say otherwise and he looked lost but I don't necessarily think he's shot. He may be but I just think he paid the price of being complacent and overconfident that Ngannou would be crap.
I agree - Fury, like everyone thought it was merely a case of carrying Ngannou a couple rounds then stopping him as he pleased. The point was Ngannou wasn`t a world class boxer - he was still what was to be expected, it was just Fury was alot worse than anyone, including him, expected. His desperate grabbing of Ngannou was embarrassing, and Furys face as he got to his feet in the 8th showed he knew it too.

I don`t think Fury is shot in the traditional sense of being worn out to the point of his reflexes and durability being seriously diminished - but I think he has lost the athleticism that enabled him to best use his advantages to best use. And his age, and more so his lifestyle and lack of serious competition over the last few years will mean he will not get it back.

I too expect the fight with Usyk to go ahead early next year simply because of the huge money on offer; Fury is without doubt thick, but not thick enough to throw away the kind of money the Saudi`s are promising.
Fury has had the physique of a fat 50 yr old for almost a decade, and unfortunately for him and his last couple of fans, serious training is likely to result in injuries. The Saudi deadline for the Usyk fight may mean Fury needs to take more than the usual training camp injuries into the fight.
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He hasn’t been anywhere near fit since the Klitschko fight. He was a sack of shit for all the Wilder fights he just got by on his size and bulk against a guy he outweighs by 50 pounds.

Truth is he’s a tub of lard on legs and at his age the body isn’t going to be able to perform carrying all that useless fat. In an endurance based sport, name 1 elite athlete that looks like him? You can’t because there aren’t any.

He’s surrounded by his family of poncing arse lickers who depend on him for a meal ticket so they’re too afraid to call him a fat pudendum. He’s finished.
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Fury has never been an invincible fighting machine. The likes of Larry Holmes have been fitter and far better boxers in another era. Fury has been lucky that there has never been more than half a dozen decent heavyweights whiles he's been an active professional. Back in the 90s or even 80s there have been far better and far more heavyweights who would spank his fat arse.

I would go as far as saying Herbie Hide would beat Fury.
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Herbie Hide! Hahahahaha

No.
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SeanBrennan wrote: 09 Nov 2023, 07:31 Herbie Hide! Hahahahaha

No.
I think Hide might well have knocked out Fury in a round in that last fight. Even when Hide got exposed against Bowe, he got off the floor to land explosive flurries, which had Bowe commenting it was the hardest he’d ever been hit. So with Fury’s chin you’d hardly want to bet the house on the Morecambe man winning, especially now.
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When Furys career is finally over, and his best wins over the aged Wlad and the crude and unproven Wilder get further diminished. Will Fury be placed in the same category of poor world title belt holders like Valuev and Hide?
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si7dog7 wrote: 08 Nov 2023, 09:51 Be careful what you say in future Oh Great One.
AJ goes 24 rounds with an ATG and he’s ok to go?
The GK goes life and death with a novice and needs time to prep?

What a load of nonsense!

Match fit eh?
You managed to create 2 Tyson Fury threads within 11 minutes.

How obsessed eh?
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