Fury ain’t match fit then?

[tonyevs]

I really feel you aren't giving Fury enough credit, maybe because you don't like the fella

Don’t wanna jump in Coco because u a poster who knows his onions.
I don’t like Fury. I think he’s a charlatan. Making dough what it’s all about..
I respect his skills tho for a big fella. Sadly he’s neglected that for a long time.
Bit of a charicature now sadly. (Excuse spelling)
When we talk about greatest of an era. He ain’t it.

I haven't been trying to say how good Fury is, what I am responding to is this strange revisionism that Fury can barely fight.
This is a weak era, and in this era Fury's record stands up, unless you are talking about Herbie Hide of course!!

Fury could definitely fight when he was motivated to train .. and actually fight. But that was a very long time ago .. beating Wlad was a very good result, but a very poor fight and even worse example of the art of boxing .. the Wilder fights again were very good results, but a low standard of the 'sweet science' you'd expect from two guys supposedly at the top of the game. And Fury hasn't done anything else to add to his palmares.

Fury is simply not a likeable character anymore. I once enjoyed his silliness, but as he has got more established he has turned nastier and more self-centred.

That said - I respect him for making the success and money he has. However recognise it has come at a cost to other guys in his division trying to secure their futures in the sport.

[SeanBrennan]

I haven't been trying to say how good Fury is, what I am responding to is this strange revisionism that Fury can barely fight.
This is a weak era, and in this era Fury's record stands up, unless you are talking about Herbie Hide of course!!

totally agree, we can all be guilty of revising our assessment of someone's entire career based on a performance or action outside the ring. he's a two time world champ, has held all the belts, beat 2 legit champs to take those belts, underdog in first fights against them both. I'm not a fan of him as a person and he may well be on the slide now, but comments like Hide would beat him are nonsensical.

The point was Herbie Hide at his peak would have likely caught him and obliterated Fury last month. And at Fury’s peak, obviously the story changes but the dangerous flurries Hide launched against the run of play against Bowe could have spelled real danger against someone who has been floored 7 times! That’s not nonsense! But yes, of course overall Fury has had a better career than Herbie Hide. There remains a large question mark as to how much success against an aged Wlad and Deontay Wilder mean exactly in the ATG stakes. You’d want a lot more in general I’d hope from your champions.

wasn't being terse and it's all opinions. I just hope if he's got something left, we see it.

[polecateddy]

totally agree, we can all be guilty of revising our assessment of someone's entire career based on a performance or action outside the ring. he's a two time world champ, has held all the belts, beat 2 legit champs to take those belts, underdog in first fights against them both. I'm not a fan of him as a person and he may well be on the slide now, but comments like Hide would beat him are nonsensical.

The point was Herbie Hide at his peak would have likely caught him and obliterated Fury last month. And at Fury’s peak, obviously the story changes but the dangerous flurries Hide launched against the run of play against Bowe could have spelled real danger against someone who has been floored 7 times! That’s not nonsense! But yes, of course overall Fury has had a better career than Herbie Hide. There remains a large question mark as to how much success against an aged Wlad and Deontay Wilder mean exactly in the ATG stakes. You’d want a lot more in general I’d hope from your champions.

I’m
wasn't being terse and it's all opinions. I just hope if he's got something left, we see it.

Yes of course. There’s of course no way of knowing how the eternally unpopular Hide and Akinwande would actually have fared against the gypsy king. There’s absolutely nothing left in Fury now though. Fat, ageing fighters don’t suddenly turn it around. The payday is huge though so maybe he has to take his Saudi medicine in the bitter end.

[SeanBrennan]

aye, we will see.

[Coco]

The point was Herbie Hide at his peak would have likely caught him and obliterated Fury last month. And at Fury’s peak, obviously the story changes but the dangerous flurries Hide launched against the run of play against Bowe could have spelled real danger against someone who has been floored 7 times! That’s not nonsense! But yes, of course overall Fury has had a better career than Herbie Hide. There remains a large question mark as to how much success against an aged Wlad and Deontay Wilder mean exactly in the ATG stakes. You’d want a lot more in general I’d hope from your champions.

I’m
wasn't being terse and it's all opinions. I just hope if he's got something left, we see it.

Yes of course. There’s of course no way of knowing how the eternally unpopular Hide and Akinwande would actually have fared against the gypsy king. There’s absolutely nothing left in Fury now though. Fat, ageing fighters don’t suddenly turn it around. The payday is huge though so maybe he has to take his Saudi medicine in the bitter end.

Akinwande would be a horrible night for anyone, difficult fighter to beat

[rob h]

I think the elephant in the room is that Fury just isn't, and never was, as good as the media and the arse kissers have portrayed him.

Wlad was on the slide, and Fury blagged him.

Wilder fights dont mean anything unless Wilder actually secures himself in boxing history over time - he won't, he's shit. Just a basketballer with a punch.

I wouldn't even call fury a "fighting man". He's clearly been pushed into the sport by his mentally unstable narcissist of a father. He doesn't have the instincts or mentality of a fighter. This has been proven in the ring as well as outside of it when he stood and shat himself as Saunders dad got jumped on - gypsy king yea?

Since Lewis retired there hasn't been a truly great heavyweight. The Klitschko era masked it at the time, which disguised how bad the HW division had truly become.

Fury pops along with his daft name and shit talk coupled with all the benefits that social media and armchair experts bring, and became the king of the road sweepers.

The truth is, he's always been shite, but it's taken a none boxer, but albeit a real fighting man and athlete, to finally expose him, as well as the heavyweight division of the last 20 years.

[1328613]

I think the elephant in the room is that Fury just isn't, and never was, as good as the media and the arse kissers have portrayed him.

Wlad was on the slide, and Fury blagged him.

Wilder fights dont mean anything unless Wilder actually secures himself in boxing history over time - he won't, he's shit. Just a basketballer with a punch.

I wouldn't even call fury a "fighting man". He's clearly been pushed into the sport by his mentally unstable narcissist of a father. He doesn't have the instincts or mentality of a fighter. This has been proven in the ring as well as outside of it when he stood and shat himself as Saunders dad got jumped on - gypsy king yea?

Since Lewis retired there hasn't been a truly great heavyweight. The Klitschko era masked it at the time, which disguised how bad the HW division had truly become.

Fury pops along with his daft name and shit talk coupled with all the benefits that social media and armchair experts bring, and became the king of the road sweepers.

The truth is, he's always been shite, but it's taken a none boxer, but albeit a real fighting man and athlete, to finally expose him, as well as the heavyweight division of the last 20 years.

Well put.

[tonyevs]

Yep. Spot on

[gregregegg]

How good anyone is right now is a complet mystery due to the lack of cross pollination. It’s a disgrace.

No current heavyweight boxer has a series of wins that can definitively prove they are elite. You simply must vibe it a bit and guess.

[Nightmare Roy]

I think the elephant in the room is that Fury just isn't, and never was, as good as the media and the arse kissers have portrayed him.

Wlad was on the slide, and Fury blagged him.

Wilder fights dont mean anything unless Wilder actually secures himself in boxing history over time - he won't, he's shit. Just a basketballer with a punch.

I wouldn't even call fury a "fighting man". He's clearly been pushed into the sport by his mentally unstable narcissist of a father. He doesn't have the instincts or mentality of a fighter. This has been proven in the ring as well as outside of it when he stood and shat himself as Saunders dad got jumped on - gypsy king yea?

Since Lewis retired there hasn't been a truly great heavyweight. The Klitschko era masked it at the time, which disguised how bad the HW division had truly become.

Fury pops along with his daft name and shit talk coupled with all the benefits that social media and armchair experts bring, and became the king of the road sweepers.

The truth is, he's always been shite, but it's taken a none boxer, but albeit a real fighting man and athlete, to finally expose him, as well as the heavyweight division of the last 20 years.

Hatman did a video about this then other day



It baffles me when Jordan and co bleet on about him being the generational great etc, he's done nothing to prove such things.

[Ruthless-RKO]

Why people always making excuses for Fury.

[Steveh583]

I think the elephant in the room is that Fury just isn't, and never was, as good as the media and the arse kissers have portrayed him.

Wlad was on the slide, and Fury blagged him.

Wilder fights dont mean anything unless Wilder actually secures himself in boxing history over time - he won't, he's shit. Just a basketballer with a punch.

I wouldn't even call fury a "fighting man". He's clearly been pushed into the sport by his mentally unstable narcissist of a father. He doesn't have the instincts or mentality of a fighter. This has been proven in the ring as well as outside of it when he stood and shat himself as Saunders dad got jumped on - gypsy king yea?

Since Lewis retired there hasn't been a truly great heavyweight. The Klitschko era masked it at the time, which disguised how bad the HW division had truly become.

Fury pops along with his daft name and shit talk coupled with all the benefits that social media and armchair experts bring, and became the king of the road sweepers.

The truth is, he's always been shite, but it's taken a none boxer, but albeit a real fighting man and athlete, to finally expose him, as well as the heavyweight division of the last 20 years.

Hatman did a video about this then other day



It baffles me when Jordan and co bleet on about him being the generational great etc, he's done nothing to prove such things.

except win more titles than his rivals.

english/irish/british/commonwealth/euro champ. wins the unified world titles away from home. as a massive underdog then again wins the wbc away from home (again as a massive underdog) and defends it. Its hardly a career to be sniffed at. But yeah, he hasn't faced who he should have. If he does beat Usyk (which is obv a huge if) then he will be the best of the bunch,

[Nightmare Roy]

I think the elephant in the room is that Fury just isn't, and never was, as good as the media and the arse kissers have portrayed him.

Wlad was on the slide, and Fury blagged him.

Wilder fights dont mean anything unless Wilder actually secures himself in boxing history over time - he won't, he's shit. Just a basketballer with a punch.

I wouldn't even call fury a "fighting man". He's clearly been pushed into the sport by his mentally unstable narcissist of a father. He doesn't have the instincts or mentality of a fighter. This has been proven in the ring as well as outside of it when he stood and shat himself as Saunders dad got jumped on - gypsy king yea?

Since Lewis retired there hasn't been a truly great heavyweight. The Klitschko era masked it at the time, which disguised how bad the HW division had truly become.

Fury pops along with his daft name and shit talk coupled with all the benefits that social media and armchair experts bring, and became the king of the road sweepers.

The truth is, he's always been shite, but it's taken a none boxer, but albeit a real fighting man and athlete, to finally expose him, as well as the heavyweight division of the last 20 years.

Hatman did a video about this then other day



It baffles me when Jordan and co bleet on about him being the generational great etc, he's done nothing to prove such things.

except win more titles than his rivals.

english/irish/british/commonwealth/euro champ. wins the unified world titles away from home. as a massive underdog then again wins the wbc away from home (again as a massive underdog) and defends it. Its hardly a career to be sniffed at. But yeah, he hasn't faced who he should have. If he does beat Usyk (which is obv a huge if) then he will be the best of the bunch,

I agree if he beats Usyk he can be regarded as the best of the moment but, people comparing him to Lewis Ali etc. Nah.

[Steveh583]

Hatman did a video about this then other day



It baffles me when Jordan and co bleet on about him being the generational great etc, he's done nothing to prove such things.

except win more titles than his rivals.

english/irish/british/commonwealth/euro champ. wins the unified world titles away from home. as a massive underdog then again wins the wbc away from home (again as a massive underdog) and defends it. Its hardly a career to be sniffed at. But yeah, he hasn't faced who he should have. If he does beat Usyk (which is obv a huge if) then he will be the best of the bunch,

I agree if he beats Usyk he can be regarded as the best of the moment but, people comparing him to Lewis Ali etc. Nah.

agreed, lewis would have rushed him I think and got him out early grant style. lewis could well have been the best of the lot for me.

[SeanBrennan]

except win more titles than his rivals.

english/irish/british/commonwealth/euro champ. wins the unified world titles away from home. as a massive underdog then again wins the wbc away from home (again as a massive underdog) and defends it. Its hardly a career to be sniffed at. But yeah, he hasn't faced who he should have. If he does beat Usyk (which is obv a huge if) then he will be the best of the bunch,

I agree if he beats Usyk he can be regarded as the best of the moment but, people comparing him to Lewis Ali etc. Nah.

agreed, lewis would have rushed him I think and got him out early grant style. lewis could well have been the best of the lot for me.

Lewis definitely gets better with age in terms of assessing his career, he got a lot of undue abuse when he fought. I like that he stayed retired too and has never been tempted into the car crash of exhibitions.

[CaptainSpacerod]

I think the elephant in the room is that Fury just isn't, and never was, as good as the media and the arse kissers have portrayed him.

Wlad was on the slide, and Fury blagged him.

Wilder fights dont mean anything unless Wilder actually secures himself in boxing history over time - he won't, he's shit. Just a basketballer with a punch.

I wouldn't even call fury a "fighting man". He's clearly been pushed into the sport by his mentally unstable narcissist of a father. He doesn't have the instincts or mentality of a fighter. This has been proven in the ring as well as outside of it when he stood and shat himself as Saunders dad got jumped on - gypsy king yea?

Since Lewis retired there hasn't been a truly great heavyweight. The Klitschko era masked it at the time, which disguised how bad the HW division had truly become.

Fury pops along with his daft name and shit talk coupled with all the benefits that social media and armchair experts bring, and became the king of the road sweepers.

The truth is, he's always been shite, but it's taken a none boxer, but albeit a real fighting man and athlete, to finally expose him, as well as the heavyweight division of the last 20 years.

What a very peculiar take on a British all time great

"The truth is he's always been shite" ..... can you read that back and honestly say to yourself you believe it to be true ?

[golden_labrador]

except win more titles than his rivals.

english/irish/british/commonwealth/euro champ. wins the unified world titles away from home. as a massive underdog then again wins the wbc away from home (again as a massive underdog) and defends it. Its hardly a career to be sniffed at. But yeah, he hasn't faced who he should have. If he does beat Usyk (which is obv a huge if) then he will be the best of the bunch,

I agree if he beats Usyk he can be regarded as the best of the moment but, people comparing him to Lewis Ali etc. Nah.

agreed, lewis would have rushed him I think and got him out early grant style. lewis could well have been the best of the lot for me.

agreed. every Lewis fight I watch now (apart from those two...) I'm thinking "Imagine this guy in today's era."

[tonyevs]

I think the elephant in the room is that Fury just isn't, and never was, as good as the media and the arse kissers have portrayed him.

Wlad was on the slide, and Fury blagged him.

Wilder fights dont mean anything unless Wilder actually secures himself in boxing history over time - he won't, he's shit. Just a basketballer with a punch.

I wouldn't even call fury a "fighting man". He's clearly been pushed into the sport by his mentally unstable narcissist of a father. He doesn't have the instincts or mentality of a fighter. This has been proven in the ring as well as outside of it when he stood and shat himself as Saunders dad got jumped on - gypsy king yea?

Since Lewis retired there hasn't been a truly great heavyweight. The Klitschko era masked it at the time, which disguised how bad the HW division had truly become.

Fury pops along with his daft name and shit talk coupled with all the benefits that social media and armchair experts bring, and became the king of the road sweepers.

The truth is, he's always been shite, but it's taken a none boxer, but albeit a real fighting man and athlete, to finally expose him, as well as the heavyweight division of the last 20 years.

What a very peculiar take on a British all time great

Tyson Fury will always have a place in the history of British boxing. More so as the face of boxing's dark side and demise .. unfortunately for his last couple of remaining fans; not for his fistic prowess.

Lewis could be a frustrating character. At times he fought cautiously and negatively against opponents you expected him to blitz in a round or two - at other times he blitzed in a round or two the guys you'd expect him to be cautious with ... But he always seemed willing to fight who was around at that time.

That's why Lennox Lewis and Tyson Fury's legacy in British boxing will be mile's apart.

[Coco]

I think the elephant in the room is that Fury just isn't, and never was, as good as the media and the arse kissers have portrayed him.

Wlad was on the slide, and Fury blagged him.

Wilder fights dont mean anything unless Wilder actually secures himself in boxing history over time - he won't, he's shit. Just a basketballer with a punch.

I wouldn't even call fury a "fighting man". He's clearly been pushed into the sport by his mentally unstable narcissist of a father. He doesn't have the instincts or mentality of a fighter. This has been proven in the ring as well as outside of it when he stood and shat himself as Saunders dad got jumped on - gypsy king yea?

Since Lewis retired there hasn't been a truly great heavyweight. The Klitschko era masked it at the time, which disguised how bad the HW division had truly become.

Fury pops along with his daft name and shit talk coupled with all the benefits that social media and armchair experts bring, and became the king of the road sweepers.

The truth is, he's always been shite, but it's taken a none boxer, but albeit a real fighting man and athlete, to finally expose him, as well as the heavyweight division of the last 20 years.

What a very peculiar take on a British all time great

Tyson Fury will always have a place in the history of British boxing. More so as the face of boxing's dark side and demise .. unfortunately for his last couple of remaining fans; not for his fistic prowess.

Lewis could be a frustrating character. At times he fought cautiously and negatively against opponents you expected him to blitz in a round or two - at other times he blitzed in a round or two the guys you'd expect him to be cautious with ... But he always seemed willing to fight who was around at that time.

That's why Lennox Lewis and Tyson Fury's legacy in British boxing will be mile's apart.

What will you do if Fury beats Uysk?

Or can't the Ukrainian fight either?

Or do you think it's an impossibility that Fury wins?

[polecateddy]

What a very peculiar take on a British all time great

Tyson Fury will always have a place in the history of British boxing. More so as the face of boxing's dark side and demise .. unfortunately for his last couple of remaining fans; not for his fistic prowess.

Lewis could be a frustrating character. At times he fought cautiously and negatively against opponents you expected him to blitz in a round or two - at other times he blitzed in a round or two the guys you'd expect him to be cautious with ... But he always seemed willing to fight who was around at that time.

That's why Lennox Lewis and Tyson Fury's legacy in British boxing will be mile's apart.

What will you do if Fury beats Uysk?

Or can't the Ukrainian fight either?

Or do you think it's an impossibility that Fury wins?

I don’t think Fury is going to take the fight. I think the only way anyone would ever believe he has a chance is if there was constant Twitter footage of him gettting lean and fit again. I just don’t think he has it in him. He’d need a year to get ready really and then it’s touch and go considering his age/non-athlete lifestyle.

[rob h]

Nothing peculiar about my take on Fury. I've watched his career since the amateurs, and my opinion only briefly started to change after the Wlad win and I was genuinely pleased for him. . However since then he's done nothing to build on it or to deserve the mythical god like status that others have bestowed upon him. Keyword "mythical". That's all it is, a carefully crafted myth.

I don't rate him a British great and I think I covered his best wins in my original post.

Maybe it's just a case of what you prefer. I'm old school in my views of what a "great" is I suppose. But Fury certainly is not it.

Someone mentioned his achievements and title wins in an earlier response to my post. Again, my views have already been covered. The heavyweight division is so void of depth at all levels, that it's really irrelevant. I don't care what titles he's picked up, I care more about him fighting the best consistently and beating them in champion style. Why should I be satisfied with him fighting Whyte, Chisora, a none boxer making his debut....

A great fighter / champion to me is a Holyfield, Lewis, Leonard, Duran, Hagler, even De la Hoya. Taking on the best consistently, underdog or not.

What characteristics of the above has Fury ever shown? He's a conman masquerading not just as a world champion, but with the audacity to label himself one of the best ever. It's insulting.

For me his natural level was exposed early on in his career by McDernott. I also think it's highly suspicious that his performances improved after this scare, including his power, punch resistance, endurance...

I've no doubt that many of the top boys from the 70's through to the 90's had more than their natural testosterone doses flying around their systems at times, but at least they brought something to the table - a bit of variety, mettle, excitement and the courage to put their fists infront of their mouths.

[Coco]

Nothing peculiar about my take on Fury. I've watched his career since the amateurs, and my opinion only briefly started to change after the Wlad win and I was genuinely pleased for him. . However since then he's done nothing to build on it or to deserve the mythical god like status that others have bestowed upon him. Keyword "mythical". That's all it is, a carefully crafted myth.

I don't rate him a British great and I think I covered his best wins in my original post.

Maybe it's just a case of what you prefer. I'm old school in my views of what a "great" is I suppose. But Fury certainly is not it.

Someone mentioned his achievements and title wins in an earlier response to my post. Again, my views have already been covered. The heavyweight division is so void of depth at all levels, that it's really irrelevant. I don't care what titles he's picked up, I care more about him fighting the best consistently and beating them in champion style. Why should I be satisfied with him fighting Whyte, Chisora, a none boxer making his debut....

A great fighter / champion to me is a Holyfield, Lewis, Leonard, Duran, Hagler, even De la Hoya. Taking on the best consistently, underdog or not.

What characteristics of the above has Fury ever shown? He's a conman masquerading not just as a world champion, but with the audacity to label himself one of the best ever. It's insulting.

For me his natural level was exposed early on in his career by McDernott. I also think it's highly suspicious that his performances improved after this scare, including his power, punch resistance, endurance...

I've no doubt that many of the top boys from the 70's through to the 90's had more than their natural testosterone doses flying around their systems at times, but at least they brought something to the table - a bit of variety, mettle, excitement and the courage to put their fists infront of their mouths.

I agree with what a lot of what you have said, he hasn't done enough to call himself a great, to one extent there is a lack of dance partners but on the other hand he hasn't fought the dance partners available either!

Now while he isn't a great champion, he is still a champion.
When the chips were down against Wilder, in a top quality triology, he certainly showed a bit of mettle, variety, excitement and courage.

[tonyevs]

What a very peculiar take on a British all time great

What will you do if Fury beats Uysk?

Or can't the Ukrainian fight either?

Or do you think it's an impossibility that Fury wins?

1. I'd never underestimate what a 50lb weight advantage has in a fight.

2. If you don't know the answer to this one I suggest you ask a friend.

3. Please refer to answer 1

[Coco]

What will you do if Fury beats Uysk?

Or can't the Ukrainian fight either?

Or do you think it's an impossibility that Fury wins?

1. I'd never underestimate what a 50lb weight advantage has in a fight.

2. If you don't know the answer to this one I suggest you ask a friend.

3. Please refer to answer 1

Beginning to hedge your bets then!!