DLH definately to return.

stujones · Post by **stujones** » 02 Sep 2006, 11:23

A spokesman for Oscar De La Hoya CONFIRMED that the WBC Light Middleweight champion will have one final fight in 2007. He is looking specifically at one of two possible opponents.

Tito Trinidad, who it is being reported is in heavy training and in good shape.

Floyd Mayweather - although a lot will depend on Mayweather vs Baldomir.

glahn · Post by **glahn** » 02 Sep 2006, 13:29

I reckon Mayweather will be his first choice. What a massive event that will be in 2007. Exactly what the sport needs, really.

Max Molyneux · Post by **Max Molyneux** » 02 Sep 2006, 13:30

DLH should be more active if he wants to beat Floyd.

Shirow · Post by **Shirow** » 02 Sep 2006, 14:49

I actually reckon in the US Hoya v Trinidad II is less risk for a bigger event.

DLH will want a huge PPV sales figure & to go out on a win to path his way into a fulltime promoting career and i reckon a rusty Tito who has get get down to 154 is a lot less formidable than Floyd at whatever weight he chooses to come in at.

Mayweather still has no fanbase.
DLH v Mayorga got 875,000 PPV buys, Mayweather v Judah got 350,000.

Haighy · Post by **Haighy** » 03 Sep 2006, 13:33

I reckon that a De La Hoya v Tito 2 has little credibility after the one-sided nature of his loss to Winky. A Mayweather fight however is an absoloute mega event that will capture everbodys interest and be a massive day in the history of boxing.

stujones · Post by **stujones** » 03 Sep 2006, 16:02

Haighy wrote:I reckon that a De La Hoya v Tito 2 has little credibility after the one-sided nature of his loss to Winky. A Mayweather fight however is an absoloute mega event that will capture everbodys interest and be a massive day in the history of boxing.

People will forget though, absence makes the heart grow fonder and all that. I believe the buys for Mayorga vs Trinidad were good and that with the Hopkins loss still in the minds of the hardcore public.

Razor · Post by **Razor** » 03 Sep 2006, 16:33

DLH vs Mayweather is the fight Americans want to see

states · Post by **states** » 03 Sep 2006, 17:14

Haighy wrote:I reckon that a De La Hoya v Tito 2 has little credibility after the one-sided nature of his loss to Winky. A Mayweather fight however is an absoloute mega event that will capture everbodys interest and be a massive day in the history of boxing.

A massive event for the likes of us who follow every event in boxing on the interweb ever day, but maybe not for the millions who like to watch a fight but don't follow it in the same way. I'm leaning towards Stu's view: Mayweather is amazing, but has no real fanbase, certainly not in the way Trinidad does.

Fact is, any fight involving De La Hoya will do huge ppv numbers. Trinidad will still sell more than Mayweather, regardless of his performance against Winky. How many people still bought Tyson PPV's, even when it was obvious he was done? Plus, I would imagine Oscar sees a fight against Tito as easier than a fight against the Pretty Boy. And I really cannot see Oscar wanting to bow out of boxing on anything other than a win.

2020hindsight · Post by **2020hindsight** » 03 Sep 2006, 20:06

Shirow wrote:I actually reckon in the US Hoya v Trinidad II is less risk for a bigger event.

DLH will want a huge PPV sales figure & to go out on a win to path his way into a fulltime promoting career and i reckon a rusty Tito who has get get down to 154 is a lot less formidable than Floyd at whatever weight he chooses to come in at.

Mayweather still has no fanbase.
DLH v Mayorga got 875,000 PPV buys, Mayweather v Judah got 350,000.

Mayorga-Judah would be lucky to do 200,000 and Oscar-Floyd would easily break 1 million!! Compared to Delahoya every other fighter's fan base is weak!!

2020hindsight · Post by **2020hindsight** » 03 Sep 2006, 20:09

Razor wrote:DLH vs Mayweather is the fight Americans want to see

I think it's safe to say...DLH-PBF is the fight ANYONE who is not Puerto Rican wants to see and even many Puerto Ricans know Felix is so faded that Oscar wins easily!

2020hindsight · Post by **2020hindsight** » 03 Sep 2006, 20:16

states wrote:
Haighy wrote:I reckon that a De La Hoya v Tito 2 has little credibility after the one-sided nature of his loss to Winky. A Mayweather fight however is an absoloute mega event that will capture everbodys interest and be a massive day in the history of boxing.
A massive event for the likes of us who follow every event in boxing on the interweb ever day, but maybe not for the millions who like to watch a fight but don't follow it in the same way. I'm leaning towards Stu's view: Mayweather is amazing, but has no real fanbase, certainly not in the way Trinidad does.

Fact is, any fight involving De La Hoya will do huge ppv numbers. Trinidad will still sell more than Mayweather, regardless of his performance against Winky. How many people still bought Tyson PPV's, even when it was obvious he was done? Plus, I would imagine Oscar sees a fight against Tito as easier than a fight against the Pretty Boy. And I really cannot see Oscar wanting to bow out of boxing on anything other than a win.

Even the casual fan knows Trinidad is shot and Mayweather is P4P current #1...Tyson's PPV numbers sagged SIGNIFICANTLY after the 2 Holyfield losses...started with Frans Botha, which was his lowet ever at the time with something like 550,000 buys!! from then on, only his fight vs Lewis ever exceeded that and Lennox had much to do with that!!

Same for Trinidad, but Oscar can draw over 1 million vs Felix just to see him avenge 1st loss ever!!

BOTTOM LINE: Either PPV (vs Floyd or Felix) does well over 1 million, but Oscar may indeed go for the FAR EASIER fight vs Trinidad!!

Rocky Balboa · Post by **Rocky Balboa** » 04 Sep 2006, 10:39

I think we'll see De La Hoya-Trinidad, rather than De La Hoya-Mayweather. Floyd could end up holding out for a bigger purse, leaving Oscar to go elsewhere. We all know Mayweather is not the easiest to negotiate with.

bigynzing · Post by **bigynzing** » 04 Sep 2006, 17:08

I think Floyd would get KO`d off Oscar...too big and probly the smartest fighter he would have ever faced.

glahn · Post by **glahn** » 04 Sep 2006, 17:54

Yeah, I (like most) would rather see Oscar vs. Floyd, but I think Oscar vs. Trinidad is more likely.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 04 Sep 2006, 19:02

I don't think there's much if any mileage in Oscar v Tito now after his pathetic showing against Winky. Tito looked like a shot fighter than night, and even his puerto rican fanbase is gone now. Had he gone out on his shield against Winky it might have been another matter, but meekly trudging round the ring getting his head jabbed off killed hjis reputation.

The fight could be made, but I don't see it pulling the kind of numbers being talked about here, whereas a fight with Floyd is absolutely jhuge. If it's sold right, I really think it could be the biggest non heavyweight fight ever. Although Floyd hasn't the fanbase of Oscar, a lot of people would want to see if Oscar could go out of the sport with a win over a guy considered by many the best fighter in the world right now.

Shirow · Post by **Shirow** » 04 Sep 2006, 19:21

2020hindsight wrote:
Shirow wrote:I actually reckon in the US Hoya v Trinidad II is less risk for a bigger event.

DLH will want a huge PPV sales figure & to go out on a win to path his way into a fulltime promoting career and i reckon a rusty Tito who has get get down to 154 is a lot less formidable than Floyd at whatever weight he chooses to come in at.

Mayweather still has no fanbase.
DLH v Mayorga got 875,000 PPV buys, Mayweather v Judah got 350,000.
Mayorga-Judah would be lucky to do 200,000 and Oscar-Floyd would easily break 1 million!! Compared to Delahoya every other fighter's fan base is weak!!

Yeah, i should have included that Trinidad v Wright got 520,000

Being a true boxing fan i'd much rather see what Oscar can do with Mayweather but i'm not so sure Tito will have lost his fanbase to the extent that it wouldn't draw more sales.

I know for a fact that mates of mine who have no idea about boxing have never heard of Floyd. It wasn't the same when Roy was seen as P4P number 1, even non boxing fans seemed to know the name. Does your average US casual sports fan know about Mayweather?

nickd · Post by **nickd** » 05 Sep 2006, 15:16

I think DLH v Trinidad II would get a lot more buys than DLH v Mayweather. Money talks at the end of the day.

I'd like to see DLH fight both before calling it a day.

shoutout · Post by **shoutout** » 06 Sep 2006, 04:54

nickd wrote:I think DLH v Trinidad II would get a lot more buys than DLH v Mayweather. Money talks at the end of the day.

I'd like to see DLH fight both before calling it a day.

i'm not so sure trinidad will outdraw PBF as a delahoya foe, considering his washed-up state!! oscar brings a million PPV buys just on his own against either one & i see both oscar-felix & oscar-floyd bringing about 1.2 million buys...just because most fans know oscar-PBF will be a much more competitive fight!especially with felix's horrendous showing vs wright and after another 2-year layoff AFTER THAT (with no tuneup for felix) that floyd would give oscar a much more competitive fight!!

nickd · Post by **nickd** » 06 Sep 2006, 06:53

shoutout2u wrote:
nickd wrote:I think DLH v Trinidad II would get a lot more buys than DLH v Mayweather. Money talks at the end of the day.

I'd like to see DLH fight both before calling it a day.
i'm not so sure trinidad will outdraw PBF as a delahoya foe, considering his washed-up state!! oscar brings a million PPV buys just on his own against either one & i see both oscar-felix & oscar-floyd bringing about 1.2 million buys...just because most fans know oscar-PBF will be a much more competitive fight!especially with felix's horrendous showing vs wright and after another 2-year layoff AFTER THAT (with no tuneup for felix) that floyd would give oscar a much more competitive fight!!

Not sure about that, Trinidad is still far better known to the average man on the street than Mayweather. Plus the whole of Puerto Rico would buy it.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 06 Sep 2006, 07:22

no they wouldn't. His timid display against Winky won't curry much favour with the Puerto Ricans.

SticknMove · Post by **SticknMove** » 06 Sep 2006, 07:29

The biggest draw in boxing at the moment, for me, has to be DLH v PBF. The guy currently considered to be the best P4P fighter against the Golden Boy must have mass appeal. Tito v DLH would create widespread interest too, but Tito's inactivity and last showing wouldn't have the same appeal IMO.

lvlarc · Post by **lvlarc** » 06 Sep 2006, 07:31

I'd prefer to see Winky rather than Floyd against Oscar. It would be huge at 154, also DLH wouldn't have to boil back down to 147 or the catchweight as I can't see Floyd being great competing at 154.

There's probably not a big difference between Winky and PBF's PPV fanbase either.

SticknMove · Post by **SticknMove** » 06 Sep 2006, 08:05

lvlarc_uk wrote:I'd prefer to see Winky rather than Floyd against Oscar. It would be huge at 154, also DLH wouldn't have to boil back down to 147 or the catchweight as I can't see Floyd being great competing at 154.

There's probably not a big difference between Winky and PBF's PPV fanbase either.

Sure Winky against DLH would be a big fight and I for one would like to see it. But it looks like that DLH is going have one last fight before he hangs the gloves up for good.

In terms of PPV, I think PBF fighting DLH would be absolutely massive. PBF, the unbeaten P4P king against the biggest draw in boxing, DLH. Many people will be interested in seeing if PBF could pull it off at LM and establish if he is the real deal and future HoFer. Many people will want to see DLH kick PBF's arse. Whatever the interest, watching an unbeaten, very talented arrogant smaller man trying to create a bit of history for himself against the naturally bigger DLH is, for me unmissable.

BTW the fight could only happen at LM, catchweight or not.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 06 Sep 2006, 10:04

Precisely.

Also, Winky is a big Light Middleweight, a naturally MUCH bigger man that Oscar is, and I don't think Oscar would fancy his chances much. Winky is taller, stronger, has the longer reach and is very experienced, and showed he could handle a middleweights power without any problems. Oscar would probably get his arse handed to him and he knows it. Even in his prime (probably a couple or more years ago) Winky would have been too much for Oscar. His talent can overcome strength and size advantages to a certain point, but Winky is too good technically. I think Oscar is more talented, but Winky would have too many other advantages to offset that.

I don't see any fight being bigger than Oscar v Floyd. The DLH marketing machine can sell this one big time.

I'm trying to imagine a parallel in recent years where we have had one legend in the making take on the biggest star of his era (barring Tyson of course).

It would be like Roy Jones having taken on Ray Leonard if their careers has overlapped , say around the time after Leonard beat Hagler. An unbeaten up and coming star against a guy heading for the hall of fame but still just about active.

lvlarc · Post by **lvlarc** » 06 Sep 2006, 11:51

jamesmcdonnell wrote:Precisely.

Also, Winky is a big Light Middleweight, a naturally MUCH bigger man that Oscar is, and I don't think Oscar would fancy his chances much. Winky is taller, stronger, has the longer reach and is very experienced, and showed he could handle a middleweights power without any problems. Oscar would probably get his arse handed to him and he knows it. Even in his prime (probably a couple or more years ago) Winky would have been too much for Oscar. His talent can overcome strength and size advantages to a certain point, but Winky is too good technically. I think Oscar is more talented, but Winky would have too many other advantages to offset that.

I don't see any fight being bigger than Oscar v Floyd. The DLH marketing machine can sell this one big time.

I'm trying to imagine a parallel in recent years where we have had one legend in the making take on the biggest star of his era (barring Tyson of course).

It would be like Roy Jones having taken on Ray Leonard if their careers has overlapped , say around the time after Leonard beat Hagler. An unbeaten up and coming star against a guy heading for the hall of fame but still just about active.

Really?

According to Boxrec, Winky and Oscar both stand tall at 5'10 1/2 with Oscar having the inch reach advantage.

So like I said, it would be a great fight at 154. A weight that both can comfortably make. Theres not many in the game today that has more experience than Oscar.

And TBH I think Winky is more deserving of the huge payday.