Tyson Fury vs. Francis Ngannou - October 28, 2023

[apollo creed]

The point here is that Tyson Fury was regarded as an elite , very agile and skilled for his big size HW lineal champion and he supposed to pretty much "toy" and stop a mma fighter that was inactive for almost two years but Fury couldn't do that. Its not like it was a fight between Chisora vs Francis. This HW era is weak. If the top guys(&their handlers) from any division will keep avoiding each other when they are on top of their game, protecting the "0", cherrypicking and "marinating", after Canelo will retire then boxing would be pretty much a dead landscape.

MMA is a much complex, spectacular and competitive sport that doesn't care that much about protecting the "0's" of the fighters.

[The Asleep Lamps]

This is why it was a risky bout for Fury is anything less than dominance would be disappointing and if he lost it would have tarnished his legacy badly. I watched this documentary that someone posted in the British forum and it reminded me of something that I never really forgot. And that is that Mike Tyson is of Cus D'Amato's lineage. He says at some point in the documentary, "This is Cus's system." It appears that Ngannou worked very hard for this.

[gilgamesh]

It's gonna be funny after everyone talks about how horrible and beatable Fury looked, and all this if he continues to reign for another few years

[Thomastearns]

The point here is that Tyson Fury was regarded as an elite , very agile and skilled for his big size HW lineal champion and he supposed to pretty much "toy" and stop a mma fighter that was inactive for almost two years but Fury couldn't do that. Its not like it was a fight between Chisora vs Francis. This HW era is weak. If the top guys(&their handlers) from any division will keep avoiding each other when they are on top of their game, protecting the "0", cherrypicking and "marinating", after Canelo will retire then boxing would be pretty much a dead landscape.

MMA is a much complex, spectacular and competitive sport that doesn't care that much about protecting the "0's" of the fighters.

Agreed, this HW era could be weak, but the only way we'll ever know for sure is once they fight other.

It's funny but it wasn't all that long ago that people were talking about Joshua being the best ever, or Fury being the best ever.

How quickly opinions can change.

As they say, time will tell, but for now Fury remains a very slippery customer in and out of the ring.

I don't think we should worry about the future of boxing too much, there's always some great talent emerging, and as long there's people who want to promote it and as long the likes of Saudi keep stumping up the big money, boxing will go on as it has always done.

[gilgamesh]

The point here is that Tyson Fury was regarded as an elite , very agile and skilled for his big size HW lineal champion and he supposed to pretty much "toy" and stop a mma fighter that was inactive for almost two years but Fury couldn't do that. Its not like it was a fight between Chisora vs Francis. This HW era is weak. If the top guys(&their handlers) from any division will keep avoiding each other when they are on top of their game, protecting the "0", cherrypicking and "marinating", after Canelo will retire then boxing would be pretty much a dead landscape.

MMA is a much complex, spectacular and competitive sport that doesn't care that much about protecting the "0's" of the fighters.

Agreed, this HW era could be weak, but the only way we'll ever know for sure is once they fight other.

It's funny but it wasn't all that long ago that people were talking about Joshua being the best ever, or Fury being the best ever.

How quickly opinions can change.

As they say, time will tell, but for now Fury remains a very slippery customer in and out of the ring.

I don't think we should worry about the future of boxing too much, there's always some great talent emerging, and as long there's people who want to promote it and as long the likes of Saudi keep stumping up the big money, boxing will go on as it has always done.

Which is exactly why I always wait until a Boxers career is over before I start comparing him with the ATG's.

If Roy Jones had retired in 2003, he could beat everyone and their Grandpa in a Mythical match, but the losses that came in 2004 permanently altered the way people see him and his ability on the all time scale.

Guys you would've been certain he would've beaten before, now you're not so sure. In Boxing you're only as good as your last fight.

[KiwiRider]

There's no such thing as credibly admitting to carrying an opponent. Claiming that you carried an opponent is self-serving.

Floyd literally called the event a "robbery" and went to the ring wearing a mask because he was stealing money. The fight is easy to find and watch and there's even posts like this on Quora: https://www.quora.com/Floyd-Mayweather- ... -confident

.....because it is incredibly obvious when you watch the fight and aren't an McGregor stan as to what is happening. I can't believe we are relitigating this years later as though it is in any way comparable to Fury managing a split decision and getting dropped by a 0-0 fighter with zero amateur boxing experience. But I guess for those who think everything is hunky dory, these are the lies you have to tell yourself.

I've been trying to find a clip of an analysis of the fight showing Floyd backing off several times to let Conor rest. It was put together after Floyd first admitted carrying Conor. Was maybe 5 years ago and seems to have dropped off the edge of the Internet now. Still, the fight is available free now.

[Evander]

Is it possible Tyson Fury can make the December date, or is that off the table ?
How bad was his face and overall physical output from the fight ?

[Ruthless-RKO]

Is it possible Tyson Fury can make the December date, or is that off the table ?
How bad was his face and overall physical output from the fight ?

It’s off the table. They looking at 2024 now

[Evander]

Is it possible Tyson Fury can make the December date, or is that off the table ?
How bad was his face and overall physical output from the fight ?

It’s off the table. They looking at 2024 now

It's going to be Joshua isn't it.

[Caractacus]

I iad thought leading up to the fight, the press conferences and all, that maybe Tyson Fury
perhaps has lost his fighting "demon", before the actual bout thats what came across anyway.
How old is he now ?

[Cyclops]

Perhaps a huge part of modern Fury's game is that he's the bigger stronger man and can wrestle and big man smaller fighters and he couldn't out-wrestle and out-strength Ngannou? Plus he thought he was a muppet who he could easily beat and was flummoxed when all his normal shit didn't work?

Isn't that literally how he beat Wlad?

[SportsRatings]

Perhaps a huge part of modern Fury's game is that he's the bigger stronger man and can wrestle and big man smaller fighters and he couldn't out-wrestle and out-strength Ngannou? Plus he thought he was a muppet who he could easily beat and was flummoxed when all his normal shit didn't work?

Isn't that literally how he beat Wlad?

Wlad didn't take him seriously and his wife had post partum depression at the time. He didn't even fight until the 12th round. Fury wisely avoided the rematch

Yes, you're right that Fury is a bear that mauls smaller fighters. Most big guys only get so far doing that but Fury does have skill, moves well for his size, and is fast for his size. But Ngannou is a tank that he couldn't bully, and he had to be worried about the hook catching him.

I think everyone drank the kool aid that Fury is some generational talent. He's defintely a rare combo of size and skill, but not skill by itself. People also forgot that he gets stunned pretty easily, even by former cruiserweights. The Wilder fights made ppl think he's iron chinned just because he didn't get flatlined (4 knockdowns though, one almost did the trick).

[The Gratest]

After all the money and time spent promoting it, the initial reports are that ppv numbers aren't good.

https://www.mmamania.com/2023/11/2/2394 ... -paul-buys

[Redback Rasta]

Ngannou says Fury threw the hardest shots he’s felt in the ring and the octagon.

“Fury punches pretty good. I ate some of his shots – he punches very strong. And he was with 10oz gloves, because MMA fights are 4oz gloves. In boxing it’s 10oz. I think, so far, he is the top hard hitter.”

[SendoTakeshi97]

High praises considering he fought Derick Lewis before.
Maybe he is just talking about the elbow, that he was just mistaken for a punch.

[Redback Rasta]

High praises considering he fought Derick Lewis before.
Maybe he is just talking about the elbow, that he was just mistaken for a punch.

Now that's a really cool story bro :lol:

But a former UFC champion doesn't know the difference between a punch and an elbow? Ngannou even commented specifically about the elbow after the bout :OhYes:

[SendoTakeshi97]

High praises considering he fought Derick Lewis before.
Start of sarcasm Maybe he is just talking about the elbow, that he was just mistaken for a punch. End of sarcasm

Now that's a really cool story bro

But a former UFC champion doesn't know the difference between a punch and an elbow? Ngannou even commented specifically about the elbow after the bout

My bad, I corrected the quote

[joshj909]

High praises considering he fought Derick Lewis before.
Maybe he is just talking about the elbow, that he was just mistaken for a punch.

I don't think either of them touched each other in that fight

[Redback Rasta]

High praises considering he fought Derick Lewis before.
Start of sarcasm Maybe he is just talking about the elbow, that he was just mistaken for a punch. End of sarcasm

Now that's a really cool story bro :lol:

But a former UFC champion doesn't know the difference between a punch and an elbow? Ngannou even commented specifically about the elbow after the bout :OhYes:

My bad, I corrected the quote ;-)

Still a real cool story.

[SendoTakeshi97]

High praises considering he fought Derick Lewis before.
Maybe he is just talking about the elbow, that he was just mistaken for a punch.

I don't think either of them touched each other in that fight

Now that you mentioned it

[Ruthless-RKO]

“The Tyson Fury-Oleksandr Usyk bout is confirmed for the undisputed championship,” WBC president Mauricio Sulaiman confirmed during the Ratings and Mandatory portion of the 61st annual WBC convention in Tashkent, Uzbekistan. “The WBC has granted sanctioning of this fight with the specific provision of a rematch.

“The WBC did make a ruling during the convention last year to have a mandatory process. Those fights did not happen. At this moment, the WBC will not address the mandatory position.”

“On December 23, we will have many heavyweight fights that will affect the heavyweight rankings,” noted Sulaiman. “At this moment, there is no proposal for a final eliminator. We have the heavyweight champion of the world fighting for the undisputed, with at least one confirmed bout after that. There is no mandatory position process.”

Basically.. they wanna see who brings the biggest envelop of cash to them..

[joshj909]

If Ngannou defeats a WBC ranked top 15 opponent as an eliminator then it would be difficult to say he doesn't deserve a rematch but definitely not as a mandatory. However, I don't see him doing that.

WBC mandatory challenger should be the winner of (2)Joshua-(1)Wilder when that happens next year. It shouldn't be more complicated than that.

[StrapMeUp]

Sodomite fight.