Tyson Fury vs. Oleksandr Usyk | PPV - 18 May 2024

[jwfg]

like much of team fury, fwank is so sensitive. i wonder if that dude will catch a lawsuit

Everybody else has.

[jamesmcdonnell]

I reckon Fury will win an ugly mauling contest, it will be close with few clean punches landed. I think he will be able to use his size and height advantages to stop usyk landing much on the way I'm, and fight ugly on the inside to wear him down.

I'll be rooting fir Usyk, mainly because Fury is a crass boorish bellend with all the class of a royal mint commemorative plate.

[Redback Rasta]

I doubt Usyk will go looking for a clinchfest

That doesn't mean he won't be forced into one.

Hard to catch someone , quicker and smarter

Boxing is a hard sport and there is only so much space in a ring when you have to survive for 36 minutes. Fury will get plenty of chances. It's a matter of whether he capitalises on them.

[jwfg]

That doesn't mean he won't be forced into one.

Hard to catch someone , quicker and smarter

Boxing is a hard sport and there is only so much space in a ring when you have to survive for 36 minutes. Fury will get plenty of chances. It's a matter of whether he capitalises on them.

Will he pass the drug test this time?

[Redback Rasta]

I reckon Fury will win an ugly mauling contest, it will be close with few clean punches landed. I think he will be able to use his size and height advantages to stop usyk landing much on the way I'm, and fight ugly on the inside to wear him down.

I'll be rooting fir Usyk, mainly because Fury is a crass boorish bellend with all the class of a royal mint commemorative plate.

In any fight of any nature the most important thing to do is to stack the odds in your favour and force your opponent to fight the type of fight that provides you with the best chance of winning. Fury will do that by using his size and reach. He'd be a fool not to.

[si7dog7]

I reckon Fury will win an ugly mauling contest, it will be close with few clean punches landed. I think he will be able to use his size and height advantages to stop usyk landing much on the way I'm, and fight ugly on the inside to wear him down.

I'll be rooting fir Usyk, mainly because Fury is a crass boorish bellend with all the class of a royal mint commemorative plate.

In any fight of any nature the most important thing to do is to stack the odds in your favour and force your opponent to fight the type of fight that provides you with the best chance of winning. Fury will do that by using his size and reach. He'd be a fool not to.

Completely agree
But what are Usyk’s strengths that “he’d be a fool not to employ”?
Just a balanced debate ?

[Redback Rasta]

I reckon Fury will win an ugly mauling contest, it will be close with few clean punches landed. I think he will be able to use his size and height advantages to stop usyk landing much on the way I'm, and fight ugly on the inside to wear him down.

I'll be rooting fir Usyk, mainly because Fury is a crass boorish bellend with all the class of a royal mint commemorative plate.

In any fight of any nature the most important thing to do is to stack the odds in your favour and force your opponent to fight the type of fight that provides you with the best chance of winning. Fury will do that by using his size and reach. He'd be a fool not to.

Completely agree
But what are Usyk’s strengths that “he’d be a fool not to employ”?
Just a balanced debate ?

You need me to explain to you what Usyk's strengths are?

[dookus]

I'll be rooting fir Usyk, mainly because Fury is a crass boorish bellend with all the class of a royal mint commemorative plate.

[Coco]

I reckon Fury will win an ugly mauling contest, it will be close with few clean punches landed. I think he will be able to use his size and height advantages to stop usyk landing much on the way I'm, and fight ugly on the inside to wear him down.

I'll be rooting fir Usyk, mainly because Fury is a crass boorish bellend with all the class of a royal mint commemorative plate.

That's exactly how I see the fight going

[margaret thatcher]

last time fury faced a southpaw he was cut to pieces, last time he faced a former cruiser champ he was dropped hard. i think usyk can be a tough style for him and am very interested to see how this one goes. fury is mobile for a giant, but has looked plodding vs smaller guys. it may not be as easy as he thinks to catch usyk and even vs none punchers he busts up easily

if he can cut usyk off and get body shots flowing, obviously it starts to favour him. i think he should press rather than play a chess game

[jamesmcdonnell]

I reckon Fury will win an ugly mauling contest, it will be close with few clean punches landed. I think he will be able to use his size and height advantages to stop usyk landing much on the way I'm, and fight ugly on the inside to wear him down.

I'll be rooting fir Usyk, mainly because Fury is a crass boorish bellend with all the class of a royal mint commemorative plate.

That's exactly how I see the fight going

I think a lot will depend on the ref, there will be a great deal of horse trading over which referee is appointed, and I'd imagine there will be quite a lot of pre-fight lobbying and statements made by both sides, entreating the referee to officiate the fight one way or the other.

I remember saying the same when Ruiz fought Jones Jr - and as it turned out the ref rightly stopped Ruiz' usual mauling tactics,- it had always mystified me why ref after ref allowed him to spoil, hold and maul on the inside.

If the ref doesn't allow these tactics, then I can see Usyk winning with his lateral movement, working into range, and then sliding out again, but he will have to keep up a good pace to keep Tyson from crowding him as the fight wears on.

I hope it happens, and I hope it's a good fight, where the best man wins. I will root for Usyk, as I cannot stick Fury, but if Fury is the rightful winner, I will applaud him nontheless.

[Coco]

I reckon Fury will win an ugly mauling contest, it will be close with few clean punches landed. I think he will be able to use his size and height advantages to stop usyk landing much on the way I'm, and fight ugly on the inside to wear him down.

I'll be rooting fir Usyk, mainly because Fury is a crass boorish bellend with all the class of a royal mint commemorative plate.

That's exactly how I see the fight going

I think a lot will depend on the ref, there will be a great deal of horse trading over which referee is appointed, and I'd imagine there will be quite a lot of pre-fight lobbying and statements made by both sides, entreating the referee to officiate the fight one way or the other.

I remember saying the same when Ruiz fought Jones Jr - and as it turned out the ref rightly stopped Ruiz' usual mauling tactics,- it had always mystified me why ref after ref allowed him to spoil, hold and maul on the inside.

If the ref doesn't allow these tactics, then I can see Usyk winning with his lateral movement, working into range, and then sliding out again, but he will have to keep up a good pace to keep Tyson from crowding him as the fight wears on.

I hope it happens, and I hope it's a good fight, where the best man wins. I will root for Usyk, as I cannot stick Fury, but if Fury is the rightful winner, I will applaud him nontheless.

Great point about the ref

It will also be interesting to see what Fury does on the outside, Fury v Wilder 1 was a great example, obv his last fight not so much!

Also looking at the other 2 Wilder fights, and against Cunningham also showed how to be genuinely aggressive on the inside(rather than spoiling)

As you said it all depends how much latitude the ref allows him

[Redback Rasta]

The referee will definitely play a part here, as they do in most fights that pit different fighting styles against each other.

[Ruthless-RKO]

“The Tyson Fury-Oleksandr Usyk bout is confirmed for the undisputed championship,” WBC president Mauricio Sulaiman confirmed during the Ratings and Mandatory portion of the 61st annual WBC convention in Tashkent, Uzbekistan. “The WBC has granted sanctioning of this fight with the specific provision of a rematch.

“The WBC did make a ruling during the convention last year to have a mandatory process. Those fights did not happen. At this moment, the WBC will not address the mandatory position.”

“On December 23, we will have many heavyweight fights that will affect the heavyweight rankings,” noted Sulaiman. “At this moment, there is no proposal for a final eliminator. We have the heavyweight champion of the world fighting for the undisputed, with at least one confirmed bout after that. There is no mandatory position process.”

Basically.. they wanna see who brings the biggest envelop of cash to them..

[cormack]

The referee will definitely play a part here, as they do in most fights that pit different fighting styles against each other.

just what i was thinking reading the last few pages of posts .

if the ref allows TF to grab / hold / smother and basically spoil the fight then that goes against Usyk who likes to move around to get his shots off and stay fluid .
But the ref could be more strict and cut that shite out from the off even going for a warning / points off to make sure - in which case that goes against fury and makes it more of a decent boxing match and not a sweaty hugfest .

personally I see and prefer a Usyk win but if Fury does win a clean fight based on boxing and not a whole load of dirty tactics then he will deserve our respect and then a rematch which must be in the contracts for both guys.

[tonyevs]

Without question what the referee allows Fury to get away with, or not, will decide the fight.

Usyk is levels above Fury for boxing skills, so will no doubt know exactly what he needs to do to win against the bigger man.

I think Usyk is a favourite with the Saudis and that may have sway on what referee gets appointed. And if so, and Usyk gets the referee he wants, then I see an Usyk win by way of disqualification.
When Fury knows he is losing he will get himself disqualified.

[Coco]

It's one thing smothering etc in a negative way, but another if used to set up aggressive attacks.

It's one of the big differences between amateur and pro boxing, in pro boxing you are allowed to be rough on the inside and the policing of it is quite subjective

[Redback Rasta]

It's one thing smothering etc in a negative way, but another if used to set up aggressive attacks.

It's one of the big differences between amateur and pro boxing, in pro boxing you are allowed to be rough on the inside and the policing of it is quite subjective

Refereeing in the pros is always subjective, even at the highest level and it has caused all of us annoyance at times.

[coneye]

Obviously you have to agree with everyone here who said depends what the ref lets happen , BUT and theres always a BUT , I would'nt be suprised to see Usyk , actually happy to move around use his speed and skills , we all know he's got.

BUT then change it up for times and actually being the aggressor , going forward to fight inside , I can see his speed coming into play , landing a couple big shots , then closing it down allowing Fury to hold , just relaxiing not getting involved in wrestling ,himself happy to hold , so to speak , keep your enemys closer sit on his chest and not giving Fury time space to get any punches off , Furys a big fella , long arms he needs a bit of space . Rinse and repeat . especielly if Sugar is still training Tyson , just beat him at his own game , and thats the way sugar trains them

I expect a messy fight but think Usyk can stop him on cuts has someone else said , Tyson does mark up easy , suppose its how they train for it , but i know if i was Usyk , i would be sparring big guys with the whole intention of hitting going in , hitting coming out , and getting used to letting them lean and hold . spoil the spoiler

[jamesmcdonnell]

Obviously you have to agree with everyone here who said depends what the ref lets happen , BUT and theres always a BUT , I would'nt be suprised to see Usyk , actually happy to move around use his speed and skills , we all know he's got.

BUT then change it up for times and actually being the aggressor , going forward to fight inside , I can see his speed coming into play , landing a couple big shots , then closing it down allowing Fury to hold , just relaxiing not getting involved in wrestling ,himself happy to hold , so to speak , keep your enemys closer sit on his chest and not giving Fury time space to get any punches off , Furys a big fella , long arms he needs a bit of space . Rinse and repeat . especielly if Sugar is still training Tyson , just beat him at his own game , and thats the way sugar trains them

I expect a messy fight but think Usyk can stop him on cuts has someone else said , Tyson does mark up easy , suppose its how they train for it , but i know if i was Usyk , i would be sparring big guys with the whole intention of hitting going in , hitting coming out , and getting used to letting them lean and hold . spoil the spoiler

Yes, this makes sense, there were times in the Joshua fight, where Usyk planted his feet and let his hands go, I think he is fit enough to risk allowing Fury to hold, but he also won't want to let Fury dicate the pace, Fury's not a great inside fighter, but he can pull off the odd uppercut, and you don't want to let him have free shots.

Yes, Usyk could stop him, that's always possible, but cuts are unpredicatable, I do recall Joshua was quite marked up after his fight with Usyk, and he doesn't tend to mark up much.

I just want to see the fight now. there's been so much talk and bullshit; let's get them in the ring. it's an intriguing fight. I think Usyk still has to be the underdog, as he's giving away so much weight, but I think he can pull it off.

I also Think fury might be able to dredge up one last top performance; if he's off his A game, it's going to be a rough night for him.

[big lennox]

Fury needs a good performance here. Presently he is lagging well behind Joshua and Uysk in the history books.

AJ is much bigger box office than Fury*, has consistently faced better opposition, has never failed a PED test, and has never lost on one of the judges scorecards in a fight against a professional debutant.

Uysk beat all the champions at Cruiserweight, beat Bellew** at his best, and won 3 out of the four belts at Heavyweight.

*I'm amazed that after the Netflix series, and £500m being spent on the promotion of the Fury vs Ngannou fight, that fight only achieved 68k pay per view buys in America. I think fans had had enough of seeing Fury in with poor opposition so voted with their feet.

** Bellew boxed really well against Uysk.

[TheLeprechaun]

Fury doesn't have the footwork to pull off a mauling fight. Usyk will continually move and try to keep distance between them and he can punch a bit on the backfoot so Fury won't be able to just rush in. Usyk is going to outbox him from the outside and win a decision. Fury is so overrated still, it's insane.

[JamesPhilips]

Fury needs a good performance here. Presently he is lagging well behind Joshua and Uysk in the history books.

AJ is much bigger box office than Fury*, has consistently faced better opposition, has never failed a PED test, and has never lost on one of the judges scorecards in a fight against a professional debutant.

Uysk beat all the champions at Cruiserweight, beat Bellew** at his best, and won 3 out of the four belts at Heavyweight.

*I'm amazed that after the Netflix series, and £500m being spent on the promotion of the Fury vs Ngannou fight, that fight only achieved 68k pay per view buys in America. I think fans had had enough of seeing Fury in with poor opposition so voted with their feet.

** Bellew boxed really well against Uysk.

I really don’t think he’s lagging behind Joshua at all… his story is much more interesting, his fights with Wilder and Wlad are more significant and dramatic.
Everyone knows Joshua has been gifted everything. No one was ever gonna mention Joshua near the greats although if Tyson beats Usyk he will, despite the awful Ngannou embarrassment.

[big lennox]

Fury needs a good performance here. Presently he is lagging well behind Joshua and Uysk in the history books.

AJ is much bigger box office than Fury*, has consistently faced better opposition, has never failed a PED test, and has never lost on one of the judges scorecards in a fight against a professional debutant.

Uysk beat all the champions at Cruiserweight, beat Bellew** at his best, and won 3 out of the four belts at Heavyweight.

*I'm amazed that after the Netflix series, and £500m being spent on the promotion of the Fury vs Ngannou fight, that fight only achieved 68k pay per view buys in America. I think fans had had enough of seeing Fury in with poor opposition so voted with their feet.

** Bellew boxed really well against Uysk.

I really don’t think he’s lagging behind Joshua at all… his story is much more interesting, his fights with Wilder and Wlad are more significant and dramatic.
Everyone knows Joshua has been gifted everything. No one was ever gonna mention Joshua near the greats although if Tyson beats Usyk he will, despite the awful Ngannou embarrassment.

Is it more interesting? AJ had a more successful amateur career, winning Olympic Gold very quickly after picking up the gloves, has consistently taken on a high level of competition and gone straight back in the ring with the two people to have beaten him.

It's hard to gage how good Fury's wins against Wilder are, because no one really knows how good Wilder is. I believe them to be good wins, but its hard to know for sure.

And is taking on Chisora three times and a 37 year old debutant more interest than AJ's career?

Also, had AJ been in the ring with Fury, instead of Ngannou, he'd have ko'd Fury early doors. There must be a reason why TNT Sports haven't released the Fury vs Ngannou fight in full, only the highlights.

As for Fury's win against Klitschko, that needs to be seen in perspective. Fury is now 35 and his team are begining to question whether he has gone past his peak. Klitschko was almost 40 when he boxed Fury, so that's hardly a prime Klitschko.

It's all a matter of perspective, I guess.

[polecateddy]

I stand to be amazed, but doesn’t it defy credibility that Fury is going to be much improved by mid-February? I’m pretty sure if it had been Usyk and not Ngannou in the last fight, it would basically have been the easiest fight of the Ukrainian’s career. And that was after a supposed 12 week training camp, so just how far out of competitive shape Fury has let himself drift must be considerable. Do serious boxing fans expect that he’s got enough time to actually change very much? He’s presumably still in ‘rest and recovery’ mode, so for this to be at all believable instead of enjoying a multi-millionaires Christmas he’s going to be in full Spartan mode instead? Sand dunes, gym, top quality sparring and broccoli, chicken and rice is his world until mid-February is it? It’s a real nonsense!