Ryan Garcia vs. Oscar Duarte | DAZN - December 2, 2023
Re: Ryan Garcia vs. Oscar Duarte | DAZN - December 2, 2023
Garcia v Rolly would be a fun fight tbh. Would like to see it next.
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gregregegg
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Re: Ryan Garcia vs. Oscar Duarte | DAZN - December 2, 2023
Rolls next for a “world title” makes the most sense.
That isn’t a shoulder roll it’s a back turn, needs warnings then points then dq.
In my opinion any regular thrown punch should be legal (if you don’t sidestep round the back of them..: . If you turn your back enough that a regular punch is going to land somewhere illegal ref should jump in and warn/ take a point for turning your back.
Exposing the most vulnerable parts of your body should not be a valid form of defence….
(The worst example of this is in mma when people end up on all 4s face on the Mat hands covering the sides of their head and their opponent has to try loop around…. That should just get stopped… cause in the real world you would just get punched in the back of the head if you did that… rules are for safety and shouldent be turned into strategy.)
That isn’t a shoulder roll it’s a back turn, needs warnings then points then dq.
In my opinion any regular thrown punch should be legal (if you don’t sidestep round the back of them..: . If you turn your back enough that a regular punch is going to land somewhere illegal ref should jump in and warn/ take a point for turning your back.
Exposing the most vulnerable parts of your body should not be a valid form of defence….
(The worst example of this is in mma when people end up on all 4s face on the Mat hands covering the sides of their head and their opponent has to try loop around…. That should just get stopped… cause in the real world you would just get punched in the back of the head if you did that… rules are for safety and shouldent be turned into strategy.)
Re: Ryan Garcia vs. Oscar Duarte | DAZN - December 2, 2023
Definitely turning his back enough that a DQ would have been justified.
That being said he was obviously trying to imitate the Mayweather shoulder roll.....
...and failing miserably.
Ryan and his trainer can work on that and should be able to improve the shoulder roll to stop the back turning.
That being said he was obviously trying to imitate the Mayweather shoulder roll.....
...and failing miserably.
Ryan and his trainer can work on that and should be able to improve the shoulder roll to stop the back turning.
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handsofstone
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Re: Ryan Garcia vs. Oscar Duarte | DAZN - December 2, 2023
Strange performance from Garcia, looked gunshy and focused on not getting hit, his defence was tight and his movement was good but attacking wise he was non commital in anything he did just pot shotted and fiddled his way around, fair bit of complaining as well which suggests his appetite for a scrap aren't all it seems
Duarte pressed but couldn't land much clean, he tried to fight though and won a couple middle rounds when Garcia was just running, he was doing the same in the 8th when he walked Duarte on to a sweet counter left hook, took away his legs, Garcia didn't even land much clean in the follow but Duarte's legs were gone and he went down, just about got up but too late and he still hadn't recovered anyhow, got the W Garcia but his stomach for a fight still in question
Duarte pressed but couldn't land much clean, he tried to fight though and won a couple middle rounds when Garcia was just running, he was doing the same in the 8th when he walked Duarte on to a sweet counter left hook, took away his legs, Garcia didn't even land much clean in the follow but Duarte's legs were gone and he went down, just about got up but too late and he still hadn't recovered anyhow, got the W Garcia but his stomach for a fight still in question
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Re: Ryan Garcia vs. Oscar Duarte | DAZN - December 2, 2023
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Re: Ryan Garcia vs. Oscar Duarte | DAZN - December 2, 2023
For me i thought he was hard done too , the ref warning him , instead of Garcia , who was blataly pusshing the rules you get an opponent who runs and runs andruns , then when you do catch him , turns his back and YOU GET WARNED , christ thats off putting , its in the back of your mind your one step away from a point or disqualification , , Thats worth rnds to the refs favorite fighter .
Regards the stoppage , i notice most are saying he quit , i'll have to go on Utube or somewher and watch it again , but personaly i thought it was a bad stoppage , he took the count and rose on 9 , OK he was a bit late should of rose on 8 , but regardless he did rise , was'nt looking shaky and beat the count , ref said 9 quick 10 and waved he was up , But like i said i'll have to watch it again ,
Fior me they got the homeboy result they wanted and Duarte had to beat the ref has well , Garcia will just duck and dodge the lions of the weight now , he looked worried under pressure , and certainly was'nt commiting fully to an attack , think he's a bit gunshy meeting the better fighters ,
Regards the stoppage , i notice most are saying he quit , i'll have to go on Utube or somewher and watch it again , but personaly i thought it was a bad stoppage , he took the count and rose on 9 , OK he was a bit late should of rose on 8 , but regardless he did rise , was'nt looking shaky and beat the count , ref said 9 quick 10 and waved he was up , But like i said i'll have to watch it again ,
Fior me they got the homeboy result they wanted and Duarte had to beat the ref has well , Garcia will just duck and dodge the lions of the weight now , he looked worried under pressure , and certainly was'nt commiting fully to an attack , think he's a bit gunshy meeting the better fighters ,
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AngryGoon38
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Re: Ryan Garcia vs. Oscar Duarte | DAZN - December 2, 2023
Duarte probably misinterpreted the ref's counting, being that his(Duarte's) "English" is obviously Very Very Limited.
Duarte gave Garcia that proverbial "This Ain't Over", and "Man, You Just Got Lucky" types of Looks, right after the Stoppage, which it Was, Cause Duarte was up before 10. Technically he was definately up, at least at probably 9-1/2. But yeah, I'm thinking that he very unfortunately mis-redd the ref's counting.
In my opinion, a Rematch would be Totally Justifiable, and Interesting enough to Sell Well.
If that isn't in They're (Garcia's Camp's) interest, then I think that an opponent like former 140 Champ "Josh Taylor" would make for a Very Interesting bout.
I know they're talking about fighting "Rolly Romero" next, but to me, I think that either Rolly ducks Ryan or if and when they Do get in the Boxing Ring, it winds up being A rather dullish bout. Ryan would either eventually land the explosive punches that gets Rolly out of there by round 7, or just maybe it goes the distance, especially if it's only A 10 rounder. Ryan would likely win by way of a shutout in that type of scenario.
Versus "Josh Taylor" though, that Could be a Phenomenal bout, providing Taylor can properly get back on track.
Taylor Could be just simply done at this point in time though. Unfortunately.
Versus "Jack Catteral" would be another Very interesting potential bout for "Ryan Garcia".
Duarte gave Garcia that proverbial "This Ain't Over", and "Man, You Just Got Lucky" types of Looks, right after the Stoppage, which it Was, Cause Duarte was up before 10. Technically he was definately up, at least at probably 9-1/2. But yeah, I'm thinking that he very unfortunately mis-redd the ref's counting.
In my opinion, a Rematch would be Totally Justifiable, and Interesting enough to Sell Well.
If that isn't in They're (Garcia's Camp's) interest, then I think that an opponent like former 140 Champ "Josh Taylor" would make for a Very Interesting bout.
I know they're talking about fighting "Rolly Romero" next, but to me, I think that either Rolly ducks Ryan or if and when they Do get in the Boxing Ring, it winds up being A rather dullish bout. Ryan would either eventually land the explosive punches that gets Rolly out of there by round 7, or just maybe it goes the distance, especially if it's only A 10 rounder. Ryan would likely win by way of a shutout in that type of scenario.
Versus "Josh Taylor" though, that Could be a Phenomenal bout, providing Taylor can properly get back on track.
Taylor Could be just simply done at this point in time though. Unfortunately.
Versus "Jack Catteral" would be another Very interesting potential bout for "Ryan Garcia".
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gregregegg
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Re: Ryan Garcia vs. Oscar Duarte | DAZN - December 2, 2023
Duarte didn’t look ok when he got up and after a slight wtf seemed very very ok with it being stopped.
I thought he was up at 9 3/4s… which to be is up. But time and time and time and time again if you’re up that late it’s waved. So if you get up that late hard to have a problem with it getting waved. Refs want you up ready and looking good to fight at 10, not just on your feet at 10.
Duarte was a bit dirty early and deserved those warnings. But Garcia was turning too far late and deserved warnings of his own.
Decent fight, but weird, not overly controversial, o to the next one.
I thought he was up at 9 3/4s… which to be is up. But time and time and time and time again if you’re up that late it’s waved. So if you get up that late hard to have a problem with it getting waved. Refs want you up ready and looking good to fight at 10, not just on your feet at 10.
Duarte was a bit dirty early and deserved those warnings. But Garcia was turning too far late and deserved warnings of his own.
Decent fight, but weird, not overly controversial, o to the next one.
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margaret thatcher
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Re: Ryan Garcia vs. Oscar Duarte | DAZN - December 2, 2023
no chance of a rematch nor should it happen. people arent clamouring about how good of a fight it was and the favorutie to win did just that well ahead on all cardsAngryGoon38 wrote: ↑04 Dec 2023, 00:06 Duarte probably misinterpreted the ref's counting, being that his(Duarte's) "English" is obviously Very Very Limited.
Duarte gave Garcia that proverbial "This Ain't Over", and "Man, You Just Got Lucky" types of Looks, right after the Stoppage, which it Was, Cause Duarte was up before 10. Technically he was definately up, at least at probably 9-1/2. But yeah, I'm thinking that he very unfortunately mis-redd the ref's counting.
In my opinion, a Rematch would be Totally Justifiable, and Interesting enough to Sell Well.
If that isn't in They're (Garcia's Camp's) interest, then I think that an opponent like former 140 Champ "Josh Taylor" would make for a Very Interesting bout.
I know they're talking about fighting "Rolly Romero" next, but to me, I think that either Rolly ducks Ryan or if and when they Do get in the Boxing Ring, it winds up being A rather dullish bout. Ryan would either eventually land the explosive punches that gets Rolly out of there by round 7, or just maybe it goes the distance, especially if it's only A 10 rounder. Ryan would likely win by way of a shutout in that type of scenario.
Versus "Josh Taylor" though, that Could be a Phenomenal bout, providing Taylor can properly get back on track.
Taylor Could be just simply done at this point in time though. Unfortunately.
Versus "Jack Catteral" would be another Very interesting potential bout for "Ryan Garcia".
Re: Ryan Garcia vs. Oscar Duarte | DAZN - December 2, 2023
Ok performance from Ryan Garcia, but my takeaway from it was Garcia's defence which didn't impress me, he's got work to do in that field.
That said Ryan can hit a bit and looks fairly good when letting the punches go, he's a good on his feet and moves well too I'll say that for him.
That said Ryan can hit a bit and looks fairly good when letting the punches go, he's a good on his feet and moves well too I'll say that for him.