Vitali Klischko: the world's # 1 in heavyweight 2004/05

[kick asner]

Nobody despises you here Barry, I would even bet that you would be missed by you're advisarys if you quit posting here.

[silkov]

>>>But that's not enough, is it? You really HATE Vitali. It can only be for personal reasons. This has gone beyond debate. Why do you hate the guy? I genuinely want to know, that's not a comment meant to insult. If Silkov's vague references to racial bias are unfounded you should have a ready answer.<<<

Newbie...I have been debating the Klitschko nut-huggers...not so much Vitali. All I have said about Vitali is he was a quitter who was a good heavyweight, but that's all...he wasn't great, he wasn't an all-time guy, he was a good heavyweight...there have been 100s and 100s of good heavyweights, but there are very, very, very few good heavyweights that ever quit a fight while in they're prime, but I would love to hear some other examples if someone can find any...and sorry, but an old, many years over the hill Tyson is not the same as a fighter in his prime, which Tyson certainly quit as well...when he was an old-man who was past it, but he never did in his prime, but Vitali did!

Now if you have some actual examples of my supposed "hate" feelings toward Vitali then why don't you give some examples of what you are talkng about...can you do that, or will you do like some others and just start making up bullshit lies?

Sure he's a decent human being, but we are not discussing human ethics here...we're talking about what he did, or didn't accomplish in the ring...if that's over your head find another topic, but you're not going to get anywhere by making up shit...

Hell even the people who despise me know that I have never been racist toward any fighters and it's just plain ignorant for a newbie like you to try to make the claim...and for the record, I'm not really debating Vitali now...it's about the disillusioned people that occupy "Klitschko-Fantasy Land" that I am debating, so try to keep up!

But mainly and most importantly…present these "hate" insults that I, or anyone else has stated about Klitschkop...Silkov hasn’t been able to present anything to show it, he has just made up a few things, but he has not been able to present all of these Devil-like insults that you two claim are being made toward Vitali, so why don’t you now present us with all the supposed hate-speech toward Vitali and if you can't then shut up about it, but first you need to serve up an apology for the incorrect claim that you make!

Blah blah blah!... its the same song you're singing Barry, if you want to see the hate I speak of how about reading your own posts mate and your constant references to 'nut-hugging' and 'ballwashing' I find it incredible that you come up with such bullshit when someone is trying to have a serious discussion, to call me a nuthugger just because I give Vitali some credit and refuse to call him a quitter just goes to show the paucity of your argument... you've never actually come up with a logical answer as to why Vitali is a quitter?... if he's a quitter then boxing is full of them as many fighters lose fights because they are injured. Was Willie Pep a quitter?... are you going to make a nice little nick-name up for him?. Was Chacon a quitter?... for retiring in his fights against Boza and Arguello?. As for you asking for an apology from me saying what I did about why I think some of you are so vehermently anti Vitali, that is really laughable, but seems to fit in with your current mindset...

[silkov]

>>>79 Percent support for Vitali. Even more impressive than I imagined<<<

Now unlike Vitali's quitting...this poll is something that really doesn't mean anything since the voters are pretty much unknown and even if they weren't unknown I doubt very seriously if there were any credible boxing reporters who voted for Vitali...most people would be too embarrassed to speak up if they did vote for Vitali, so lets see a big show of hands…who all voted for Vitali...come on...don't be ashamed!

Actually, I would probably bet that you logged on under many different names and that is probably where most of the votes came from...the "Klitschko-Fantasyland-Nut-Hugging Lovers-Band."


You see the difference in that Godfather Corleone? I'm not talking shit about Vitali...I talking shit about the Klitschko-Fantasyland-Nut-Hugging Lovers-Band.

So you must be the chairman of the scrap-Iron Mike Tyson ball hugging association.

[silkov]

>>>I never said that Vitali didnt lose to Byrd... he lost because he was injured... but he didnt quit... <<<

Are you fuking kidding?

If you’re not kidding this is one of the things that I am talking about...pure Klitschko-Mode fantasy bullshit and it takes Nut-Hugging, Ball-washing and reach-arounding to a whole new level!

There is absolutely no FACT to it...none...yet you make the claim like you would bet your life that it’s right, yet it is the most overly-biased, incorrect view that I have yet to see and that is exactly what I mean when I state "Klitschko nut-hugger" as that is nut-hugging beyond anything in reality, but then again there is little reality in Klitschko-Land!!!

Nobody here has claimed anything as outrageous as 'Vitali was an all time great'. I myself am just bemused at the complete lack of one little iota of respect for what was a decent fighter and a decent man. If you don't agree with the opinion that Vitali was a little better than the rest at a particular time it should be sufficient to state your adverse opinion.
But that's not enough, is it? You really HATE Vitali. It can only be for personal reasons.
This has gone beyond debate. Why do you hate the guy? I genuinely want to know, that's not a comment meant to insult. If Silkov's vague references to racial bias are unfounded you should have a ready answer.

He doesnt have a ready answer, just as he doesnt have an answer as to why Vitali is a quitter yet Iron Mike is a God among men, not to be insulted at any cost... and dont mention Williams, Mcbride, Lewis, and Holifield etc.... I guess we're getting to the stage where Barry locks the thread rather than keep up the pretense of actually attempting a civil debate!.... 8)

[pundit]

>>>79 Percent support for Vitali. Even more impressive than I imagined<<<

Now unlike Vitali's quitting...this poll is something that really doesn't mean anything since the voters are pretty much unknown and even if they weren't unknown I doubt very seriously if there were any credible boxing reporters who voted for Vitali...most people would be too embarrassed to speak up if they did vote for Vitali, so lets see a big show of hands…who all voted for Vitali...come on...don't be ashamed!

So how exactly do you interpret this poll, barry -- 19 retards-WHOOPS, 20 by now --and 5 experts who placed Ruiz and Byrd above Vitali?

Btw, I am not embarassed at all to "speak up" for Vitali as regards his perfectly legit claim to be called the world's best heavyweight in 2004/05. I find it much more embarassing for the claimant when someone states the Byrd-Vitali fight would show that Byrd was a better heavyweight than Vitali.

Besides, I am in good company -- the Ring for example had Vitali champ in the same period.

Cheers, P

[The Great John L]

>>>79 Percent support for Vitali. Even more impressive than I imagined<<<

Now unlike Vitali's quitting...this poll is something that really doesn't mean anything since the voters are pretty much unknown and even if they weren't unknown I doubt very seriously if there were any credible boxing reporters who voted for Vitali...most people would be too embarrassed to speak up if they did vote for Vitali, so lets see a big show of hands…who all voted for Vitali...come on...don't be ashamed!

Actually barry, it doesn’t mean anything because pundit intentionally left off the most logical response – "There hasn’t been a #1 HW since Lewis retired". I didn’t even vote because that’s the only logical response.

So basically his poll was like a Bill O’Rielly interview.

[silkov]

>>>79 Percent support for Vitali. Even more impressive than I imagined<<<

Now unlike Vitali's quitting...this poll is something that really doesn't mean anything since the voters are pretty much unknown and even if they weren't unknown I doubt very seriously if there were any credible boxing reporters who voted for Vitali...most people would be too embarrassed to speak up if they did vote for Vitali, so lets see a big show of hands…who all voted for Vitali...come on...don't be ashamed!

So how exactly do you interpret this poll, barry -- 19 retards-WHOOPS, 20 by now --and 5 experts who placed Ruiz and Byrd above Vitali?

Btw, I am not embarassed at all to "speak up" for Vitali as regards his perfectly legit claim to be called the world's best heavyweight in 2004/05. I find it much more embarassing for the claimant when someone states the Byrd-Vitali fight would show that Byrd was a better heavyweight than Vitali.

Besides, I am in good company -- the Ring for example had Vitali champ in the same period.

Cheers, P

Barry doesnt rate the Ring!.. 8) . what do they know eh!... :x
Have you ever seen such bad losers as these Klitchenko haters?...

[pundit]

>>>79 Percent support for Vitali. Even more impressive than I imagined<<<

Now unlike Vitali's quitting...this poll is something that really doesn't mean anything since the voters are pretty much unknown and even if they weren't unknown I doubt very seriously if there were any credible boxing reporters who voted for Vitali...most people would be too embarrassed to speak up if they did vote for Vitali, so lets see a big show of hands…who all voted for Vitali...come on...don't be ashamed!

Actually barry, it doesn’t mean anything because pundit intentionally left off the most logical response – "There hasn’t been a #1 HW since Lewis retired". I didn’t even vote because that’s the only logical response.

So basically his poll was like a Bill O’Rielly interview.

You wanna tell me SERIOUSLY that the 17 folks who voted "Yes, or course" would have voted "there was no #1" if that had been an option?

Get real, man.

[barry]

>>>Blah blah blah!... its the same song you're singing Barry, if you want to see the hate I speak of how about reading your own posts mate and your constant references to 'nut-hugging' and 'ballwashing'<<<

You see...I didn't figure you could present any of the "hate-threads" that you keep crying about, so you just do what you usually do which is cry some more! Grow up because you have showed an ignorance like I have rarely seen in this thread...you have made no sense in anything and you plainly ignore when challenged to present something factual...might as well quit and run like your hero Vitali did...nut-hugger...this thread has been educational...it's a good example of how a truly biased, nut-hugging idiot behaves when he does not have the intelligence to post anything logical and factual...it's the same old tired, whiny crap over and over!


>>>I guess we're getting to the stage where Barry locks the thread rather than keep up the pretense of actually attempting a civil debate<<<

Another one of your usual whiny threads...when you don't have what it takes to actually put forth an intelligent debate, you start crying and then being the liar you obviously are, you start to make up lies, such as the locking threads, which is the exact same kind of whiny bullshit that always pull. Again, I challenge your ignorant ass this...why don't you show me some examples of where I have locked threads...popint them out...give us a little proof for a change to back all of your crybaby rants, but you know as well as I and everyone else it is like all the other crap that I called you on, you can't present anything, so you stumble and stutter and finally just start whining.

About the "supposed" locking of threads, I guess you are refering to the post where I told you that if you took this whiny rant out of this thread to any other threads that have nothing to do with it then I would delete it...this thread here should be plenty enough for you to cry in without you ruioning several other threads. It's typical with you though...you twist it and turn it around into a complete lie that you cannot back up, which yet again you fail to have the ability to present anything even remotely similar to the lies you make up...you whiny ass nut-hugging crybaby...maybe you should do as I said and try to ignore these types of threads because all you do is show what an idiot and liar you really are!

P.S. Whats wrong...don't have the smarts to get everything you want to say in one thread...sad, just plain sad!!!

[pundit]

Ring magazine broke its own rules in naming Vitali the champ.

How bad of them. :( :(

[barry]

>>>Besides, I am in good company -- the Ring for example had Vitali champ in the same period.<<<

Well, as any really good historian will tell you, Ring lost they credibility back in 1977...Ring has been sucking hind-teet for many years now, but then again I suspect that you have only been following boxing for a short time now so you really don't know any better by thinking that Ring is somehow respectable!

As was said, the poll was a joke to start will as you left out the actual true answer, but that kind of behavior is typical of someone who knows little about boxing and who is overly infatuates with the certain fighter of your desires...hell anyone with any actual knowledge and integrity knows that there were no champion and that the claim of best heavyweight went to Byrd due to the simple fact that he kicked Vitali's ass...made the big man quit like a little girl...and to beat it all, you come on here and say that you love being a Quitschko nut-hugger...are you a Klistchko pole-smoker as well? Actually, that might be an incorrect-type of statement because based on the FACT that Vitali quit so easily...the actual truth of the matter may very well be this...Vitali might always sit down to pee!

[pundit]

>>>Besides, I am in good company -- the Ring for example had Vitali champ in the same period.<<<

Well, as any really good historian will tell you, Ring lost they credibility back in 1977...

Whoever disagrees with you lacks credibility....

As was said, the poll was a joke to start will as you left out the actual true answer, but that kind of behavior is typical of someone who knows little about boxing and who is overly infatuates with the certain fighter of your desires...hell anyone with any actual knowledge and integrity knows that there were no champion and that the claim of best heavyweight went to Byrd due to the simple fact that he kicked Vitali's ass...made the big man quit like a little girl...and to beat it all, you come on here and say that you love being a Quitschko nut-hugger...are you a Klistchko pole-smoker as well? Actually, that might be an incorrect-type of statement because based on the FACT that Vitali quit so easily...the actual truth of the matter may very well be this...Vitali might always sit down to pee!

Calm down, buddy. I get concerned about your well-being.

[barry]

>>>Whoever disagrees with you lacks credibility<<<

No...those who cannot understand actual facts and chooses instead to make up they're own little fantasy tales about a certain issue...they are the ones who lack credibility and it's certainly not from anything I have done to expose them!!!

Hell, Dec and I have disagree'd probably on more than anyone else on the forum, but he does have some credibility...especially with modern boxing...very much credibility pertaining to the Klitschko's!

[dempseyfire]

This thread has gotten out of control . . . .


Think about it, it's a debate about whether Vitali Klitschko was the #1 HW in the world in 2004-05 . . . this isn't the Dempsey Long Count argument, or Clay-Liston II. Simmer down people

[barry]

>>>This thread has gotten out of control . . . .<<<

Thank silkov for that, but someone else will have to do the locking, or deleting...if I were to lock it then silky would have a complete mental and emotional breakdown!

Though I am not trying to play innocent...I have done my share as well, but it was an actual debate until silkov poked his head in!

[barry]

>>>It's already been established that Jack Dempsey lost to Lou Firpo.<<<

And also established is that Vitali has the most sparkling and impressive fight resume of any heavyweight in history, or at least that is what silkov claims!

[silkov]

>>>Blah blah blah!... its the same song you're singing Barry, if you want to see the hate I speak of how about reading your own posts mate and your constant references to 'nut-hugging' and 'ballwashing'<<<

You see...I didn't figure you could present any of the "hate-threads" that you keep crying about, so you just do what you usually do which is cry some more! Grow up because you have showed an ignorance like I have rarely seen in this thread...you have made no sense in anything and you plainly ignore when challenged to present something factual...might as well quit and run like your hero Vitali did...nut-hugger...this thread has been educational...it's a good example of how a truly biased, nut-hugging idiot behaves when he does not have the intelligence to post anything logical and factual...it's the same old tired, whiny crap over and over!


>>>I guess we're getting to the stage where Barry locks the thread rather than keep up the pretense of actually attempting a civil debate<<<

Another one of your usual whiny threads...when you don't have what it takes to actually put forth an intelligent debate, you start crying and then being the liar you obviously are, you start to make up lies, such as the locking threads, which is the exact same kind of whiny bullshit that always pull. Again, I challenge your ignorant ass this...why don't you show me some examples of where I have locked threads...popint them out...give us a little proof for a change to back all of your crybaby rants, but you know as well as I and everyone else it is like all the other crap that I called you on, you can't present anything, so you stumble and stutter and finally just start whining.

About the "supposed" locking of threads, I guess you are refering to the post where I told you that if you took this whiny rant out of this thread to any other threads that have nothing to do with it then I would delete it...this thread here should be plenty enough for you to cry in without you ruioning several other threads. It's typical with you though...you twist it and turn it around into a complete lie that you cannot back up, which yet again you fail to have the ability to present anything even remotely similar to the lies you make up...you whiny ass nut-hugging crybaby...maybe you should do as I said and try to ignore these types of threads because all you do is show what an idiot and liar you really are!

P.S. Whats wrong...don't have the smarts to get everything you want to say in one thread...sad, just plain sad!!!

Like I said before, read your own threads if you want examples of the sort of crap that I'm talking about... ie you calling anyone who dares to disagree with you on Vitali a 'nuthugger' and 'ballwasher' etc... very classy arguement from a 'moderator' I must say... if this is your idea of a civil argument I'd hate to see you where you lose it man!. As for me 'ruining threads' thats pretty ridiculous coming from you, I suppose youre talking about me quip on the Featherweight thread which was actually a joke (ie humour... try looking it up in a dictionary) or perhaps I've messed this thread up for you by disagreeing with you?... either way, get over it Barry... you take yourself and your opinions far too seriously and once again you've dragged what was mostly a civil debate down into a personal argument... I've asked you several civil questions and you reply by calling me a liar and crybaby???....thats sad!... what have I lied about exactly???... as for crying you seem to be the one cracking up mate over what is basically just an internet debate!!... get a grip man!!...

[silkov]

>>>This thread has gotten out of control . . . .<<<

Thank silkov for that, but someone else will have to do the locking, or deleting...if I were to lock it then silky would have a complete mental and emotional breakdown!

Though I am not trying to play innocent...I have done my share as well, but it was an actual debate until silkov poked his head in!

Since when did I ruin this thread?... actually if you read through it its only when you entered into this 'debate' that things started getting nasty!... but then why doesnt that surprise me anymore!... and to think I actually was supporting you when you upset the bigwigs on CBZ!...

[silkov]

>>>It's already been established that Jack Dempsey lost to Lou Firpo.<<<

And also established is that Vitali has the most sparkling and impressive fight resume of any heavyweight in history, or at least that is what silkov claims!

When did I say that?... it must have been when I said Vitali was 'the best of a bad bunch!' yeah... what I really meant was that Vitali was the greatest heavyweight of all time, otherwise why would I have ever dared to say such a thing... we all know that the heavyweights of the past decade have been the best of all time and we've never had it so good...

[barry]

>>>Like I said before, read your own threads if you want examples of the sort of crap that I'm talking about<<<

I ahve read back over them...there is no "hate-speech," and there is not Devilishly evil insults thrown toward Vitali...there is none and you cannot present any because they do not exist, so you just keep on lying and whining the same boring routine!


>>>very classy arguement from a 'moderator' I must say..<<<

Priceless!!!!! I was wondering how long it would take you before you started crying about me being a moderator...I knew it wouldn't be long and there you have it...whiny bitching at it very finest! I would bet money that you pee sitting down...talk about a whiny ass little girl! What next...how about the next step that you usual take in this progression...the crying for me to be banned...you've done it several times in the past and it usually falls in last and after that you usually go off somewhere tom lick your wounds!


>>>either way, get over it Barry... you take yourself and your opinions far too seriously and once again you've dragged what was mostly a civil debate down into a personal argument<<<

You started it crybaby with your very first, racist post talking shit about Americans. You were a flaming crybaby right from the beginning and now you want to cry more heavily because you cannot present anything factual in the challenges I threw at you about posting some of those Godless insults that you claimed me and others were making...LOL...you're a typical little bitch...you can give, but when it comes to taking you turn into the worst crybaby on the board...LOL!

[silkov]

Ofcourse you'll lock this thread soon because thats what you always do when you lose a debate, first you twist it into an argument and then you lock it or deleate it altogether!... I dont really care, I dont like debating with someone who lies and insults people... you've managed to actually annoy me now so well done and kiss my arse!... 8)

[silkov]

>>>Like I said before, read your own threads if you want examples of the sort of crap that I'm talking about<<<

I ahve read back over them...there is no "hate-speech," and there is not Devilishly evil insults thrown toward Vitali...there is none and you cannot present any because they do not exist, so you just keep on lying and whining the same boring routine!


>>>very classy arguement from a 'moderator' I must say..<<<

Priceless!!!!! I was wondering how long it would take you before you started crying about me being a moderator...I knew it wouldn't be long and there you have it...whiny bitching at it very finest! I would bet money that you pee sitting down...talk about a whiny ass little girl! What next...how about the next step that you usual take in this progression...the crying for me to be banned...you've done it several times in the past and it usually falls in last and after that you usually go off somewhere tom lick your wounds!


>>>either way, get over it Barry... you take yourself and your opinions far too seriously and once again you've dragged what was mostly a civil debate down into a personal argument<<<

You started it crybaby with your very first, racist post talking shit about Americans. You were a flaming crybaby right from the beginning and now you want to cry more heavily because you cannot present anything factual in the challenges I threw at you about posting some of those Godless insults that you claimed me and others were making...LOL...you're a typical little bitch...you can give, but when it comes to taking you turn into the worst crybaby on the board...LOL!

Show where I've been racist!... show it!. Saying that I think some of you would be better on Vitali if he was American is not racist. As it is your attitude shows that I'm right, and I stand by every single word I have said on this subject and if you dont like it you know what you can do.

[barry]

>>>>Ofcourse you'll lock this thread soon because thats what you always do when you lose a debate, first you twist it into an argument and then you lock it or deleate it altogether!...<<<<


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA

It looks like you could at least be alittle original instead of the same pattern crybaby rant that you always perform.

You ruined the thread with you first racist statement after I started tearing you a knew you reverted to crybaby mode and have been lock in on it ever since...LOL!!! You started a big argument, but unlike the many other lies that you have been trying to claim the proof is in the thread...that is unless you go back and start erasing and re-arranging your posts, which is something that someone like you would certainly do!

[silkov]

I was at one point actually trying to get a serious and civil debate going on the part that Nationalism plays in debates like this but the truth is you cant debate serious things like that because you take it all personally and start throwing insults about!... very disapointing and sad...

[silkov]

Grow up Barry, have a lie down...