Wasn't referring to a robbery and I have been following boxing in Japan since the 1970s so I know. It's tough to get a close decision in an opponent's home country, no matter where you are fighting. As I said, this was a close fight. Could have gone either way.Sendo Takeshi wrote: ↑23 Jan 2024, 14:47Unlike the US, japan isn't really known for their robberies.
Fair scores for sure.
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Very true. And the UK is the worst in the world right now so I can't point fingers at anyone.Sendo Takeshi wrote: ↑23 Jan 2024, 14:47Unlike the US, japan isn't really known for their robberies.
Fair scores for sure.
But... how on earth did 2 judges give Teraji round 12?!
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Re: Kenshiro Teraji vs. Carlos Canizalez | ESPN+ - January 23, 2024
well canizales gets peppered with jabs and barely throws a punch the first minute, and after that is pressing more but swinging and missing with nearly everything. teraji mostly just jabbing but regularlry landing it. i dont see how it's hard to score teraji the round. canizales in this round is the classic case of coming forward menacingly but not actually doing much effectiveWestEndRiot wrote: ↑24 Jan 2024, 15:28Very true. And the UK is the worst in the world right now so I can't point fingers at anyone.Sendo Takeshi wrote: ↑23 Jan 2024, 14:47Unlike the US, japan isn't really known for their robberies.
Fair scores for sure.
But... how on earth did 2 judges give Teraji round 12?!
the boxrec fan average of 41 scores has it leaning teraji too, i have no issue with judges having it for him
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Re: Kenshiro Teraji vs. Carlos Canizalez | ESPN+ - January 23, 2024
Just caught up with the Akui/Dalakian fight, never scored but it looked like a bit of a robbery that, especially when you see the 119-109, 117-111 cards for the home fighter, tbh can't even see the 116-112 score, pretty poor fight Akui pressed and Dalakian done a lot of pedalling backwards but he still picked pocketed Akui a lot , Akui did get though occasionally and maybe won a few rounds but not the fight
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i had akui winning 115-113, the 2 other ppl who i know watched the fight both thought he won too. 116-112 average of 27 scores on boxrec as well. only one score on eyeonthering so far, but it's for akui also
for me akui won the first three, last 2 , and a couple in between. dalakian did too much prancing around where he wasnt doing any thing of note offensively
for me akui won the first three, last 2 , and a couple in between. dalakian did too much prancing around where he wasnt doing any thing of note offensively
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Really,? I never scored because I knew result but read that Dalakian got robbed so I might have went in with that in mind, I wasn't totally invested, I've got a living room full of people talking over each other, it was pretty poor tbh , no drama, it looked to me that Dalakian's pot shotting on the back foot won it, didn't notice much of Akui that stood out, might have been harsh but that 119-109 card is a shoo in for worst card of 2024 alreadymargaret thatcher wrote: ↑24 Jan 2024, 17:27 i had akui winning 115-113, the 2 other ppl who i know watched the fight both thought he won too. 116-112 average of 27 scores on boxrec as well. only one score on eyeonthering so far, but it's for akui also
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Re: Kenshiro Teraji vs. Carlos Canizalez | ESPN+ - January 23, 2024
where did you read he was robbed? just doug fish? even the responses to that article are that ppl had no problem with akui winning. bad left hook responses the same way - they mention hugely biased commentary as well but i watched with sound off. i had no problems with the result (albeit wide scores) and was fully expecting akui to get the decision. pretty much every reaction id seen online except fisher is that the decision was fine. i think the boxrec average score is about righthandsofstone wrote: ↑24 Jan 2024, 17:36Really,? I never scored because I knew result but read that Dalakian got robbed so I might have went in with that in mind, I wasn't totally invested, I've got a living room full of people talking over each other, it was pretty poor tbh , no drama, it looked to me that Dalakian's pot shotting on the back foot won it, didn't notice much of Akui that stood out, might have been harsh but that 119-109 card is a shoo in for worst card of 2024 alreadymargaret thatcher wrote: ↑24 Jan 2024, 17:27 i had akui winning 115-113, the 2 other ppl who i know watched the fight both thought he won too. 116-112 average of 27 scores on boxrec as well. only one score on eyeonthering so far, but it's for akui also
dalakian's prancing did not = outboxing to me, at least not in enough rounds
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Re: Kenshiro Teraji vs. Carlos Canizalez | ESPN+ - January 23, 2024
these are some of the comments ive seen about commentary - there are similar all across social media and boxing sites. did you watch it on the same broadcast? not a robbery at all to me, tbh happy with the decision because i hate that prancing style of dalakians and dont like to see it get more credit than it should
Agreed on all counts. Two of the cards were farcically wide but the right guy won.
Seemed like the commentators settled on their "narrative of the fight" in the first 3 rounds and then refused to divert from it. Hopefully they read that pretty much everyone but them had it as a close fight and they can learn from it. Although really Herring is much better than Estrada and I hope they pair him with Poncher more in the future.
I was rolling my eyes at the commentators as it was SUCH one way traffic in terms of nothing but praise for Dalakian and virtually nothing but criticism for Akui. Can we have commentators that will just watch a fight and talk about what is happening IN the fight instead of just going off on narratives and preconceptions to the ninth degree? Hearing how Akui needed a knockout to win and then having the judges come in unanimous and wide for Akui was kind of satisfying, even if the cards were unkind to Dalakian.
I had it 115-113 for Akui.
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Re: Kenshiro Teraji vs. Carlos Canizalez | ESPN+ - January 23, 2024
Finally caught up with the Teraji/Canizales fight, cracking scrap, competitive, both men down early Teraji dropped Canizales in the 2nd with a right to the top of the head then Canizales returned the favor in the following round when a right had Teraji down momentarily, he wasn't badly hurt but it developed into a highly competitive fight, Canizales looked the stronger guy despite suffering the heavier knockdown, Teraji a bit more snappy in his combinations, Canizales saved his best work for the later stages of the rounds, always made sure he pressured more in they moments, some top notch exchanges, never scored but looked like it was close either way
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handsofstone wrote: ↑27 Jan 2024, 05:59 Finally caught up with the Teraji/Canizales fight, cracking scrap, competitive, both men down early Teraji dropped Canizales in the 2nd with a right to the top of the head then Canizales returned the favor in the following round when a right had Teraji down momentarily, he wasn't badly hurt but it developed into a highly competitive fight, Canizales looked the stronger guy despite suffering the heavier knockdown, Teraji a bit more snappy in his combinations, Canizales saved his best work for the later stages of the rounds, always made sure he pressured more in they moments, some top notch exchanges, never scored but looked like it was close either way