Liston vs 90's heavyweight

[gilgamesh]

vs Tommy Morrison
vs Lennox Lewis
vs Evander Holyfield
vs Riddick Bowe
vs Mike Tyson (1990's)
vs Ray Mercer
vs Oliver McCall
vs Michael Moore
vs George Foreman (1990's)

Liston would outbox Mercer, McCall, and old Foreman. I could see him stopping Morrison and Moorer in competitive bouts. I think he'd be in a 50/50 fight with Tyson in the 90's in a bout that could go either way.

Lewis, Holyfield and Bowe would beat him. Holyfield probably beats Liston by decision. Lewis and Bowe I could see stopping Liston.

As shown here Liston was way less advanced than No Names in the '80s, fighters even advanced alot in the '90s then early '00s so why did anybody say Liston wins? He never even fought guys as advanced as anybody in these era's

[media][/media]

Everybody listed destroys him easy

look not only at Liston but look at the people he fought and all the people even the no names in my video fought way more advanced than the 60s they look horrible very basic and flawed

You crazy person you're fiction son doesn't exist showing he was ever advanced enough even to compete with those guy's

Obvious Troll is Obvious.

[Ascended]

Liston would outbox Mercer, McCall, and old Foreman. I could see him stopping Morrison and Moorer in competitive bouts. I think he'd be in a 50/50 fight with Tyson in the 90's in a bout that could go either way.

Lewis, Holyfield and Bowe would beat him. Holyfield probably beats Liston by decision. Lewis and Bowe I could see stopping Liston.

As shown here Liston was way less advanced than No Names in the '80s, fighters even advanced alot in the '90s then early '00s so why did anybody say Liston wins? He never even fought guys as advanced as anybody in these era's

[media][/media]

Everybody listed destroys him easy

look not only at Liston but look at the people he fought and all the people even the no names in my video fought way more advanced than the 60s they look horrible very basic and flawed

You crazy person you're fiction son doesn't exist showing he was ever advanced enough even to compete with those guy's

Obvious Troll is Obvious.

Obviously exposed you crazy idiot find a way to alter footage or delete footage,find video of you're fictional liston,I'll keep exposing you're kind

Video proof hurts bad doesn't it?,wacko

[Benny The Kid]

I tend to agree with AndyYevish assesment here. I think Liston was susceptible to a boxer with a good jab. Most of the fighter he faced had some major flaws & size deficiency. I have a post on here about how weak his era was but I'm never bias towards a fighter and Liston sawed through his era with little resistance. I'm certainly a bit skeptical how good Liston's chin/recovery is based on how he wilted at times.

Problem with doing these type of comparisons with fighters is A) The self fundementally bias in an answer (it might be right or wrong it's a random guess) & B) One fight in no way shape or form should determine who is the better fighter. Just because a fighter won the first match there's little proof he is actually the better fighter. Just look at Corbett vs Fitzsimmon's Jim actually had Fitz knocked out he was likely down for more than 10, yet we look at Fitz as the better boxer when in a rematch it's anyone's guess who would of won. 1 fight in not the sole determination.

I like to use Simulation & I have a good simulator built through many many hours of time (i certainly dont agree with it often) which I say is key in removing the human fundementally inherent human bias.
Like Sonny Liston vs Tommy Morrison (you certainly never know which version of morrison you're getting) which makes it far more difficult to guess at the answer.
In simulation the boxers can adapt to a style & results change...just like in real life. Some boxer's are exceptionaly at rematches & some are not.

In Simulation here are some answers to the matchups...whichout any bias involved. It's certainly as effective as a guess.

Liston vs Tommy Morrison~ Fight 1 Liston w tko 12. Fight 2 Morrison win on split decision 15 (liston 1 knockdown) Fight 3 Liston Ko 10

Liston vs Mercer~ Fight 1 Liston w tko 10 Fight 2 Liston win on split decision 15 (no knockdowns)

Liston vs Bowe~ Fight 1 Liston Ko w 8 Fight 2 Liston W split decision 15 (very close both had knockdowns) Fight 3 (bowe as champion) Bowe Win Ko 15 (bowe with 5 knockdown, Liston 1)Destroyed Liston

Liston vs Holyfeild~ Fight 1 Holy Win KO 14 Fight 2 Holy win 15 Fight 3 Holy W tko 13 Destroyed Liston Repeatly knockdowned

Liston vs McCall~ Fight 1 Liston w tko 12 (liston 2 knockdowns) Fight 2 McCall W Tko 10 (no knockdowns) Fight 3 Liston w 15 (no knockdowns)

Liston Vs Foreman (post prime)~ Fight 1 Foreman W Ko 4 (Foreman 2 knockdowns) Fight 2 Foreman W TKO 7

Liston vs Tyson (post prime)- Fight 1 Tyson KO 7 (Tyson 3 knockdowns)

Liston vs Lewis~ Fight 1 Lewis W 15 (Liston 1 knockdown, Lewis 2) Great fight. Fight2 Lewis win 15 (Lewis 1 knockdown)


Liston vs Moorer~ Fight 1 Liston W Tko 14 Fight 2 Fight 2 Liston W Tko 5 (liston 3 knockdowns)

Liston vs Aikanwande Fight 1 Liston W 15 Fight 2 Liston W 15

Liston vs Golota Fight 1 Liston W TKO 8


The 90's a previously stated are far deeper than Liston's Era, Liston has natural power which helps him alot facing larger men but he clearly has some limitation's which are difficult to guess at with human knowledge. Liston seemed to really wilt in some of the 3rd fights of a trilogy as his determination wasn't world class but he was a gritty fighter.

[Ambling Alp II]

Liston had a good chin and a great jab. Those were two of his strengths. He was seldom hurt in his career. Ali was the only one who out jabbed him. He not only was accurate with it,but had power with it.

Overall, those results aren't too far off.
He would not have trouble Morrison. Morrison was easy to hit and had a weak chin. Liston would have taken him out early
there is no way that he would have been ko'd by old Foreman. He had way too good of a chin for that. that version of Foreman could land a big punch once in a while,but could not follow up. Old George was easy to hit, and it would have been a question whether Liston would have stopped him or not.

A motivated Mercer would have been a good fight. A listless Mercer would have been as decision of Liston.
Obviously, you never knew what you going to get with Golota. Golota at his best would have given Liston trouble. Golota at his worst doesn't make it out of the first round.

Holyfield, Lewis, Bowe, and Tyson would have all been interesting fights. He would have won some, lost some.

[cfang]

Sonny would have had a good chance against anyone who decided to trade with him. The jab was a huge weapon too. Movers would give him trouble and I expect Holmes would have done well against him. Either way Sonny was a monster and would have given almost all the other great heavys trouble.

[cfang]

Could see Liston busting up old foreman. Pts win.