BBBofC

[Spud]

Is the BBBofC fit for purpose?

I ask because they have been made to look weak in the following areas

Adverse findings in drugs tests
Scoring fights
Ineffective in disciplining fighters
Unable to do anything against white collar & YouTube fights
Privacy law negating their effectiveness

Or do you think they do a good job? if so why?

Or do you agree with the person who said to me “why do you have to know what the BBBofC is up to?

[SeanBrennan]

does anyone know Robert Smith? I've heard lots speak highly of him and I suspect the role is a pain in the bum trying to keep everyone happy. They've certainly overseen major strides on boxer safety, but there are so many recentish examples of odd judging decisions.

[TheLeprechaun]

Too many examples of sh*tty officiating and Robert Smith brushing it under the carpet and keeping the old mans club running smoothly. A horrible organisation and should be done away with and replaced with something better.

[SeanBrennan]

Too many examples of sh*tty officiating and Robert Smith brushing it under the carpet and keeping the old mans club running smoothly. A horrible organisation and should be done away with and replaced with something better.

only thing is there's no guarantee a replacement would be any better, and they'd have to use some of the same judges as an interim measure

[Spud]

does anyone know Robert Smith? I've heard lots speak highly of him and I suspect the role is a pain in the bum trying to keep everyone happy. They've certainly overseen major strides on boxer safety, but there are so many recentish examples of odd judging decisions.

Robert Smith is a good bloke as are many of the BBBofC but there is too many things that are not right.

If I were totally honest I don’t think anything will get resolved and it’s not totally the BBBof C fault.

How can it be where the BBBof C can sanction/discipline a fighter and the fighter can tell them to f*ck off and fight for example Luxembourg boxing board on a show in this country.

For things to be brought into line and for the BBBofC to be fit for purpose it needs something like football has and that is government intervention.

The BBBofC should be the regulatory body for all forms of boxing in this country.

[STEVE WOOD]

Very tough Gig to keep everybody happy .

Problem is the board are not regulated so can just do what they want , not healthy . They should have someone to answer to which would make them perform better ,

Kids not having parents would eat sweets all day , not dissimilar

[SeanBrennan]

thanks Steve, thanks Spud, both intneresting posts

[Bercli]

Is the BBBofC fit for purpose?

I ask because they have been made to look weak in the following areas

Adverse findings in drugs tests
Scoring fights
Ineffective in disciplining fighters
Unable to do anything against white collar & YouTube fights
Privacy law negating their effectiveness

Or do you think they do a good job? if so why?

Or do you agree with the person who said to me “why do you have to know what the BBBofC is up to?

The board started going downhill after John Morris and Simon Block left imo.

[Bercli]

Too many examples of sh*tty officiating and Robert Smith brushing it under the carpet and keeping the old mans club running smoothly. A horrible organisation and should be done away with and replaced with something better.

I agree.there is nothing whatsoever in stopping broadcasters running their own events. They can still adhere to the very highest medical standards,memberships,titles etc.

[si7dog7]

Is the BBBofC fit for purpose?

I ask because they have been made to look weak in the following areas

Adverse findings in drugs tests
Scoring fights
Ineffective in disciplining fighters
Unable to do anything against white collar & YouTube fights
Privacy law negating their effectiveness

Or do you think they do a good job? if so why?

Or do you agree with the person who said to me “why do you have to know what the BBBofC is up to?

Who was that person (who said to you) Spud?
Otherwise. I’ve no idea what you are on about here.

[Bercli]

Too many examples of sh*tty officiating and Robert Smith brushing it under the carpet and keeping the old mans club running smoothly. A horrible organisation and should be done away with and replaced with something better.

only thing is there's no guarantee a replacement would be any better, and they'd have to use some of the same judges as an interim measure

Yes,but if a different body was involved and set the very highest standards for refereeing and judging,I'e being totally impartial without fear or favour,then that could make a big difference

[Coco]

Too many examples of sh*tty officiating and Robert Smith brushing it under the carpet and keeping the old mans club running smoothly. A horrible organisation and should be done away with and replaced with something better.

only thing is there's no guarantee a replacement would be any better, and they'd have to use some of the same judges as an interim measure

Yes,but if a different body was involved and set the very highest standards for refereeing and judging,I'e being totally impartial without fear or favour,then that could make a big difference

What are we gonna call this new body? The WBC? British and Irish? Malta?

[coneye]

Only thing that would make them better is the govt getting involved and thus become a governing govt body , up till then they are pretty much a toothless tiger who only operate , because the people who could get rid of them , ( promoters ) choose to stay with them , after all theres nothing stoppig Hearn and Warren telling them to get stuffed were not recognising you , if they really wanted too , BUT and theres always a But , in doing so they may invite govt involvement and that is something i seriously doubt they want .

Up till then they will bully some and lick arse to others , depending on who , what , where and when , all in all they probably don't do a bad job for an organisation thats only king dick because they say they are , Hearn has chose to do has he's told with Benn , but let them find all his fighters guilty and ban them , he will have a change of heart and they may find themselves with competition

[leejonesjnr]

WELL....
My own personal fallout with them and Robert Smith aside, all in all I would have to say that the BBBoC are a positive but there is certainly room for improvement.

I don't know what is meant by 'unable to do anything against white collar and YouTube fights', thats not boxing and its not for boxing fans, I would really hate for the board to do anything other than completely stay away from it.

[Bercli]

Only thing that would make them better is the govt getting involved and thus become a governing govt body , up till then they are pretty much a toothless tiger who only operate , because the people who could get rid of them , ( promoters ) choose to stay with them , after all theres nothing stoppig Hearn and Warren telling them to get stuffed were not recognising you , if they really wanted too , BUT and theres always a But , in doing so they may invite govt involvement and that is something i seriously doubt they want .

Up till then they will bully some and lick arse to others , depending on who , what , where and when , all in all they probably don't do a bad job for an organisation thats only king dick because they say they are , Hearn has chose to do has he's told with Benn , but let them find all his fighters guilty and ban them , he will have a change of heart and they may find themselves with competition

Great post, fully agree. Licence holder pay a fee each year to the BBBOC. If you are paying someone,they work for you? It's quite simple

[leejonesjnr]

Only thing that would make them better is the govt getting involved and thus become a governing govt body , up till then they are pretty much a toothless tiger who only operate , because the people who could get rid of them , ( promoters ) choose to stay with them , after all theres nothing stoppig Hearn and Warren telling them to get stuffed were not recognising you , if they really wanted too , BUT and theres always a But , in doing so they may invite govt involvement and that is something i seriously doubt they want .

Up till then they will bully some and lick arse to others , depending on who , what , where and when , all in all they probably don't do a bad job for an organisation thats only king dick because they say they are , Hearn has chose to do has he's told with Benn , but let them find all his fighters guilty and ban them , he will have a change of heart and they may find themselves with competition

Great post, fully agree. Licence holder pay a fee each year to the BBBOC. If you are paying someone,they work for you? It's quite simple

I don’t think that’s an accurate interpretation of how money works. Paying a BBBoC license fee is joining a club not taking on employees.

[SeanBrennan]

good point there.

[John]

The reality of the situation is the BBBofC are an authority but without legal sanction so they have to do their best to keep as many people happy as possible. Unless the government steps in and gives them statutory authority (as in the USA) then whoever runs boxing is going to be in exactly the same position as the Board.

[stujones]

On a side, wasn’t that Luxembourg loophole cos the UK was in the EU?

[coneye]

On a side, wasn’t that Luxembourg loophole cos the UK was in the EU?

Not sure on that one .but i dont think there would be any way of stopping say you and i from forming our own stu and coneye boxing board of control implement whatever rules we want allow and sanction anything we want . Alks we would need would be promiters and boxers to sign up to be honest i.m suprised its not happenned YET

[John]

On a side, wasn’t that Luxembourg loophole cos the UK was in the EU?

No, there is loads of unlicensed boxing happening in this country and always has been. Check out your local workingmen's club for upcoming attractions.

[JamesPhilips]

Is the BBBofC fit for purpose?

I ask because they have been made to look weak in the following areas

Adverse findings in drugs tests
Scoring fights
Ineffective in disciplining fighters
Unable to do anything against white collar & YouTube fights
Privacy law negating their effectiveness

Or do you think they do a good job? if so why?

Or do you agree with the person who said to me “why do you have to know what the BBBofC is up to?

Don’t forget allowing Alejandra Ayala to box fo a ‘world’ title despite showing a brain anomaly when she had previously boxed in the UK…. Ayala subsequently got badly injured and put in a coma. Board made no comment on this.

[John]

Don’t forget allowing Alejandra Ayala to box fo a ‘world’ title despite showing a brain anomaly when she had previously boxed in the UK…. Ayala subsequently got badly injured and put in a coma. Board made no comment on this.

Anomalies are very common, many boxers appeal to the Board that their anomaly is benign. You are in the hands of experts and experts all have their own opinion.

[leejonesjnr]

On a side, wasn’t that Luxembourg loophole cos the UK was in the EU?

Not sure on that one .but i dont think there would be any way of stopping say you and i from forming our own stu and coneye boxing board of control implement whatever rules we want allow and sanction anything we want . Alks we would need would be promiters and boxers to sign up to be honest i.m suprised its not happenned YET

It has (sort of) with BIBA, though everyone outside of BIBA considers it to be unlicensed boxing

[stujones]

On a side, wasn’t that Luxembourg loophole cos the UK was in the EU?

No, there is loads of unlicensed boxing happening in this country and always has been. Check out your local workingmen's club for upcoming attractions.

Yes, but using the Luxembourg licence meant though that Haye vs Chisora was considered a “licensed” fight and went on their records etc.

British title fights are taking place abroad without no one questioning their legitimacy, likewise if two US fighters fought in the uk for the nabf belt then again there wouldn’t be a question about it.. likewise as Luxembourg were a “proper” sanctioning body (albeit a pretty much defunct one) Haye vs Chisora had more “legitmacy “ than KSI vs Tommy Fury as an example. I’m pretty sure Warren used that because of the EU right to work at the time.

Given how desperate Eddie Hearn is to get one of his cash cows to fight in the uk, I’m pretty sure he would have explored the Luxembourg route if it was feasible now.