BBBofC

[John]

Luxembourg got their wrists slapped for what they did. "Reputable" commissions try to work together for the good of the sport but there are plenty of others who will do whatever the promoter pays them to. If Eddie wanted to stage an event in the UK without the Board it would be very easy. But we wouldn't recognise it and most other people in boxing wouldn't.
It's easy to criticise the Board but I think people don't realise how lucky we are to have them. There are very few commissions in the World of equal high standard, Nevada, Japan, California maybe Texas and New York.

[stujones]

Luxembourg got their wrists slapped for what they did. "Reputable" commissions try to work together for the good of the sport but there are plenty of others who will do whatever the promoter pays them to. If Eddie wanted to stage an event in the UK without the Board it would be very easy. But we wouldn't recognise it and most other people in boxing wouldn't.
It's easy to criticise the Board but I think people don't realise how lucky we are to have them. There are very few commissions in the World of equal high standard, Nevada, Japan, California maybe Texas and New York.

Just a question John, would you recognise it though it was sanctioned by a "licenced" commission?

Completely hypothetical scenario - say they found a loophole that meant Connor Benn could call himself "Australian" and he fought Kambosso for the vacant Australian championship at 147 in a fight that got the green light by the Australian Commision and it took place in the UK - (similar to March 8th with two brits fighting for the British title in Saudi).

Personally, I feel that is different to a Biba /Misfits fight and I'm almost certain Eddie would have done that if that EU loophole was still around.

[John]

I would say almost certainly not but it depends on the legal situation and the contract we have with whatever commission is doing the event. Having more than one commission in a jurisdiction is a race to the bottom, it's like having 2 police forces and letting the thieves choose.

[Spud]

I have no doubts the BBBofC are well intended but what makes them not fit for purpose is how they can be silenced in an increasing number of discipline cases.

I honestly believe the people who want to involve themselves in boxing whether that be amateur, white collar, professional should come under the jurisdiction of the BBBofC, And yes i include youtube and misfits

The system of scoring fights needs a lot of work.

[John]

As I stated above, they have no statutory authority they govern by consent and if someone doesn't consent their position is weak. I think the government should provide them with legal authority but at the same time appoint an independent ombudsman to oversee disputes.

[Spud]

As I stated above, they have no statutory authority they govern by consent and if someone doesn't consent their position is weak.

[Bercli]

Luxembourg got their wrists slapped for what they did. "Reputable" commissions try to work together for the good of the sport but there are plenty of others who will do whatever the promoter pays them to. If Eddie wanted to stage an event in the UK without the Board it would be very easy. But we wouldn't recognise it and most other people in boxing wouldn't.
It's easy to criticise the Board but I think people don't realise how lucky we are to have them. There are very few commissions in the World of equal high standard, Nevada, Japan, California maybe Texas and New York.

You got to be kidding

[Bercli]

As I stated above, they have no statutory authority they govern by consent and if someone doesn't consent their position is weak. I think the government should provide them with legal authority but at the same time appoint an independent ombudsman to oversee disputes.

You have just answered your own question.the board have no official authority which is why they are such a shambles,no one to answer to either. If you had an independent ombudsman, the board would fail on every count and be disbanded very quickly.

[Spud]

Luxembourg got their wrists slapped for what they did. "Reputable" commissions try to work together for the good of the sport but there are plenty of others who will do whatever the promoter pays them to. If Eddie wanted to stage an event in the UK without the Board it would be very easy. But we wouldn't recognise it and most other people in boxing wouldn't.
It's easy to criticise the Board but I think people don't realise how lucky we are to have them. There are very few commissions in the World of equal high standard, Nevada, Japan, California maybe Texas and New York.

Shep,

I don’t understand why you think we are lucky to have the BBBofC when individuals can circumvent the rules and disciplinary procedures with clever lawyers.

All an individual has to do is hand their license in and get a foreign board to license them.

Yet the BBBofC flex their muscles to those who don’t have the finances to stand up to them,

The Conor Benn situation has clearly shown what a farcical situation British boxing is in.

[John]

I am saying that under the current legislation the BBBofC do a very good job holding licence holder to account. And if they had statutory authority they could do an even better job.

[SeanBrennan]

what do people think of BIBA? Just curious.

[SeanBrennan]

I do think it is good governance to limit the amount of time a person can be gen sec for. Hasn't Robert Smith been in the job for 16 years? I've sat on boards etc since 2008, we always limit the period of time anyone serves to two terms of 3 or 4 years. I'd expect their auditors to recommend the same.

[stujones]

Luxembourg got their wrists slapped for what they did. "Reputable" commissions try to work together for the good of the sport but there are plenty of others who will do whatever the promoter pays them to. If Eddie wanted to stage an event in the UK without the Board it would be very easy. But we wouldn't recognise it and most other people in boxing wouldn't.
It's easy to criticise the Board but I think people don't realise how lucky we are to have them. There are very few commissions in the World of equal high standard, Nevada, Japan, California maybe Texas and New York.

Shep,

I don’t understand why you think we are lucky to have the BBBofC when individuals can circumvent the rules and disciplinary procedures with clever lawyers.

All an individual has to do is hand their license in and get a foreign board to license them.

Yet the BBBofC flex their muscles to those who don’t have the finances to stand up to them,

The Conor Benn situation has clearly shown what a farcical situation British boxing is in.

Spud,

I know what you are saying, but at the same time sort of don’t. Has Connor Benn fought in the uk since the drug issue? Unless we have a world body for licence professional boxing then not sure why we can blame the bbboc for that one.

if someone gets fired from working at Pizza Hut for stealing a pizza, Pizza Hut cannot stop them from applying to work for domino’s. It’s more fool dominos for taking them on.

[JamesPhilips]

Luxembourg got their wrists slapped for what they did. "Reputable" commissions try to work together for the good of the sport but there are plenty of others who will do whatever the promoter pays them to. If Eddie wanted to stage an event in the UK without the Board it would be very easy. But we wouldn't recognise it and most other people in boxing wouldn't.
It's easy to criticise the Board but I think people don't realise how lucky we are to have them. There are very few commissions in the World of equal high standard, Nevada, Japan, California maybe Texas and New York.

Shep,

I don’t understand why you think we are lucky to have the BBBofC when individuals can circumvent the rules and disciplinary procedures with clever lawyers.

All an individual has to do is hand their license in and get a foreign board to license them.

Yet the BBBofC flex their muscles to those who don’t have the finances to stand up to them,

The Conor Benn situation has clearly shown what a farcical situation British boxing is in.

Spud,

I know what you are saying, but at the same time sort of don’t. Has Connor Benn fought in the uk since the drug issue? Unless we have a world body for licence professional boxing then not sure why we can blame the bbboc for that one.

if someone gets fired from working at Pizza Hut for stealing a pizza, Pizza Hut cannot stop them from applying to work for domino’s. It’s more fool dominos for taking them on.

Nice pizza analogy

[Spud]

Shep, Bercil, Stujones & Sean

Thanks for the replies ….

Threre are very who recognise, or appreciate what goes on behind the scenes in insuring a show goes ahead in a slick professional manner .. this is
Where the BBBofC excels at. They have some fantastic people.

But the events that catch the public eye;

Poor scoring of fights
Inconsistent discipline
Procedures in adverse drugs tests
Lack of communication with the public

And being wine & dined by the promoter the night before a big show

Recognise the need for change

Doesnt help the BBBofC

[coneye]

Sort of laughing to myself reading all this . i'm thinking the british think there bbbc is crap , and my mind wondered back to a show i went to late last year , . main event comes on , stands at the top of the stage like Mike Tyson , comes down too his ring walk music , , crowd mainly his mates are going wild , , 2 blokes near the ring are getting overly excited , both snapping away taking pics with there camera , has there hero walks down the steps and makes his way to the ring, loud music , brash walk , all very exciting , only thing i could see wrong , was when he entered the ring , said two stopped taking pics . and went sat down in there JUDGES CHAIRS .

Lucky enough there scores were not gonna matter has there hero , walked over , too his opponent a big fearsome looking islander , mind you a 50 plus from the looks feasome looking islander , with a belly that jiggled like a big 18 gallon barrel of jelly , any way , local hero walked over warrior threw a couple of slaps with his eyes shut , local hero leaned over put a short left hook into the belly , overweight warrior hit the deck like he'd been struck by lightning and did'nt get up , has i walked out i looked over and seen the two judges getting there photo took with there local hero

And you guys think you have it bad , can tell you another time i took a lad over to fight a local hero , interstate , my fella dropped him in the , second , twice in the third and again in the 4th , beat him up every other rnd of a 6 rnd fight , everyone was called a slip , and we went home losing every rnd ,, lucky enough , i'd done lots of buisness with that promoter / trainer knew a win was going to be impossible to get , and commanded BIG MONEY for my lad , , , Australia is all run by individual state bodies , you have a national body but predominetly its the states , and believe me bad judging goes on BIG TIME .

In Defence though when its big name fights its usually pretty good , its the small hall local promoter shows promoting his mate which are usually hit and miss

Sometimes you got to relize the grass is'nt always greener , and be CAREFUL WHAT YOU WISH FOR

[LucaDiCaro]

On a side, wasn’t that Luxembourg loophole cos the UK was in the EU?

Not sure on that one .but i dont think there would be any way of stopping say you and i from forming our own stu and coneye boxing board of control implement whatever rules we want allow and sanction anything we want . Alks we would need would be promiters and boxers to sign up to be honest i.m suprised its not happenned YET

It has (sort of) with BIBA, though everyone outside of BIBA considers it to be unlicensed boxing

Perhaps people will think differently about BIBA now that we have hosted WBA and WBO Championship fights

Coulson Straight In at #5 In WBA World Rankings

21 year old Eleanor ‘Triple L’ Coulson made history on the 2nd February 2024 when she beat Australia’s Jamie Edenden by unanimous decision to secure the World Boxing Association (WBA) Oceania Middleweight Championship at the Shirebrook Leisure Centre.

Coulson, whose record now stands at 14-1-0, became the first Female boxer licensed by the British & Irish Boxing Authority (BIBA) to win a ‘Big 4’ (WBA, WBO, WBC, IBF) Championship and only the second BIBA licensed boxer to secure a ‘Big 4’ Championship also on a BIBA sanctioned event, the other being six time, five division World Champion and WBO Intercontinental Champion Lee ‘Aberdeen Assassin’ McAllister, when he secured WBO Regional title in Aberdeen back in May 2021.

Following securing his second WBO Championship in April 2022, the WBO Intercontinental Welterweight crown in Accra, Ghana, McAllister formally entered the WBO World rankings at #13.

Coulson’s victory over Edenden though has catapulted the Worksop lass straight onto the World Scene, as she has entered the WBA World Middleweight Rankings at a lofty #5, and is now eligible to compete on the World scene for the WBA International, Intercontinental and World Championship honours.

[SeanBrennan]

Shep, Bercil, Stujones & Sean

Thanks for the replies ….

Threre are very who recognise, or appreciate what goes on behind the scenes in insuring a show goes ahead in a slick professional manner .. this is
Where the BBBofC excels at. They have some fantastic people.

But the events that catch the public eye;

Poor scoring of fights
Inconsistent discipline
Procedures in adverse drugs tests
Lack of communication with the public

And being wine & dined by the promoter the night before a big show

Recognise the need for change

Doesnt help the BBBofC

the wining and dining isn't conducive to fair fight judging/scoring - surely that is something that could be easily prohibited? Conscious of my likely naivete here!

[SeanBrennan]

Sort of laughing to myself reading all this . i'm thinking the british think there bbbc is crap , and my mind wondered back to a show i went to late last year , . main event comes on , stands at the top of the stage like Mike Tyson , comes down too his ring walk music , , crowd mainly his mates are going wild , , 2 blokes near the ring are getting overly excited , both snapping away taking pics with there camera , has there hero walks down the steps and makes his way to the ring, loud music , brash walk , all very exciting , only thing i could see wrong , was when he entered the ring , said two stopped taking pics . and went sat down in there JUDGES CHAIRS .

Lucky enough there scores were not gonna matter has there hero , walked over , too his opponent a big fearsome looking islander , mind you a 50 plus from the looks feasome looking islander , with a belly that jiggled like a big 18 gallon barrel of jelly , any way , local hero walked over warrior threw a couple of slaps with his eyes shut , local hero leaned over put a short left hook into the belly , overweight warrior hit the deck like he'd been struck by lightning and did'nt get up , has i walked out i looked over and seen the two judges getting there photo took with there local hero

And you guys think you have it bad , can tell you another time i took a lad over to fight a local hero , interstate , my fella dropped him in the , second , twice in the third and again in the 4th , beat him up every other rnd of a 6 rnd fight , everyone was called a slip , and we went home losing every rnd ,, lucky enough , i'd done lots of buisness with that promoter / trainer knew a win was going to be impossible to get , and commanded BIG MONEY for my lad , , , Australia is all run by individual state bodies , you have a national body but predominetly its the states , and believe me bad judging goes on BIG TIME .

In Defence though when its big name fights its usually pretty good , its the small hall local promoter shows promoting his mate which are usually hit and miss

Sometimes you got to relize the grass is'nt always greener , and be CAREFUL WHAT YOU WISH FOR

that's hilarious. Tyan Booth fought on one of those unlicensed cards late last year, at the end of the fight the 'judge' was celebrating with the winner.

[Bercli]

The reality of the situation is the BBBofC are an authority but without legal sanction so they have to do their best to keep as many people happy as possible. Unless the government steps in and gives them statutory authority (as in the USA) then whoever runs boxing is going to be in exactly the same position as the Board.

I agree but you also have to have the right people in place and I don't think the have imo

[Bercli]

On a side, wasn’t that Luxembourg loophole cos the UK was in the EU?

Not sure on that one .but i dont think there would be any way of stopping say you and i from forming our own stu and coneye boxing board of control implement whatever rules we want allow and sanction anything we want . Alks we would need would be promiters and boxers to sign up to be honest i.m suprised its not happenned YET

The Professional Boxing Promotors Association tried it,and very nearly succeeded.

[Bercli]

On a side, wasn’t that Luxembourg loophole cos the UK was in the EU?

Not sure on that one .but i dont think there would be any way of stopping say you and i from forming our own stu and coneye boxing board of control implement whatever rules we want allow and sanction anything we want . Alks we would need would be promiters and boxers to sign up to be honest i.m suprised its not happenned YET

It has (sort of) with BIBA, though everyone outside of BIBA considers it to be unlicensed boxing

Serious question. What makes the BBBOC any more 'licenced' than BIBBA?

[Bercli]

Shep, Bercil, Stujones & Sean

Thanks for the replies ….

Threre are very who recognise, or appreciate what goes on behind the scenes in insuring a show goes ahead in a slick professional manner .. this is
Where the BBBofC excels at. They have some fantastic people.

But the events that catch the public eye;

Poor scoring of fights
Inconsistent discipline
Procedures in adverse drugs tests
Lack of communication with the public

And being wine & dined by the promoter the night before a big show

Recognise the need for change

Doesnt help the BBBofC

Spot on Spud imo. Which is why I said the wrong people are in charge imo.

[LucaDiCaro]

Not sure on that one .but i dont think there would be any way of stopping say you and i from forming our own stu and coneye boxing board of control implement whatever rules we want allow and sanction anything we want . Alks we would need would be promiters and boxers to sign up to be honest i.m suprised its not happenned YET

It has (sort of) with BIBA, though everyone outside of BIBA considers it to be unlicensed boxing

Serious question. What makes the BBBOC any more 'licenced' than BIBBA?

They are not - as proved in the past week as BBBofC tried to block BIBA licensed boxer Eleanor Coulson being ranked by WBA and failed - Eleanor is now ranked #5 in the WBA World Middleweight Female rankings

https://www.wbaboxing.com/wba-boxer-profile?id=17416

https://www.wbaboxing.com/wba-female-ranking

This article that was published earlier today is worth reading https://bnnbreaking.com/sports/eleanor- ... ampionship

[SeanBrennan]

It has (sort of) with BIBA, though everyone outside of BIBA considers it to be unlicensed boxing

Serious question. What makes the BBBOC any more 'licenced' than BIBBA?

They are not - as proved in the past week as BBBofC tried to block BIBA licensed boxer Eleanor Coulson being ranked by WBA and failed - Eleanor is now ranked #5 in the WBA World Middleweight Female rankings

https://www.wbaboxing.com/wba-boxer-profile?id=17416

https://www.wbaboxing.com/wba-female-ranking

This article that was published earlier today is worth reading https://bnnbreaking.com/sports/eleanor- ... ampionship

they're both limited companies aren't they, one's just been around longer. BBBoC has no statutory powers or anything does it?