Best amateur not to do it?

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SeanBrennan wrote: 16 Mar 2024, 15:49
wrighty wrote: 16 Mar 2024, 15:11 Jarrod Fletcher. He won the commonwealth games
I think sadly the CW games is very diminished. People like Kenny Anderson on CW as a pro, rarely means it translates to success in the pros. Jarrod was very poor as a pro, Billy Joe showed his limitations.
Sean. Billy Joe?
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si7dog7 wrote: 16 Mar 2024, 17:37
SeanBrennan wrote: 16 Mar 2024, 15:49
wrighty wrote: 16 Mar 2024, 15:11 Jarrod Fletcher. He won the commonwealth games
I think sadly the CW games is very diminished. People like Kenny Anderson on CW as a pro, rarely means it translates to success in the pros. Jarrod was very poor as a pro, Billy Joe showed his limitations.
Sean. Billy Joe?
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fletcher was okay and tbf only lost to good fighters (jacobs, bjs, geale), but too soft around the whiskers to do more than fringe contend. unfortunetly for him, most people remember him best from the fights he was splatted. comparing him to british fighters, probably around tommy langford level.

it was adonis stevenson he beat in the commonwealth final........scary to imagine how that wouldve gone in the pros. i think stevenson could put him over with jabs
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SeanBrennan wrote: 16 Mar 2024, 17:39
si7dog7 wrote: 16 Mar 2024, 17:37
SeanBrennan wrote: 16 Mar 2024, 15:49

I think sadly the CW games is very diminished. People like Kenny Anderson on CW as a pro, rarely means it translates to success in the pros. Jarrod was very poor as a pro, Billy Joe showed his limitations.
Sean. Billy Joe?
Shhh
My bad. I read that completely wrong
Je suis un idiot
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From America Bernard "Superbad" Mays was a top amateur whose pro career never hit the heights due to alcoholism.
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si7dog7 wrote: 16 Mar 2024, 23:53
SeanBrennan wrote: 16 Mar 2024, 17:39
si7dog7 wrote: 16 Mar 2024, 17:37
Sean. Billy Joe?
Shhh
My bad. I read that completely wrong
Je suis un idiot
not at all mate.
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Re: Best amateur not to do it?

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Matt Korobov. Paul Gonzales
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JamesPhilips wrote: 17 Mar 2024, 09:02 Matt Korobov. Paul Gonzales
Korobov is a good shout, 2 x world am champ, and could have medaled at the Olympics in 08 if he had not come up against the reigning Olympic in the second round, the Kazakh who Degale beat.
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Sugar Ray Seales.
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Bobby "has done it for Britain" Wells, had a poor Pro career after winning a Bronze at the Los Angeles Olympics

Strange how some things seem stuck in your mind forever. I was 10 years old in 1984 and remember staying up late to watch the boxing. I'm not sure of the commentator, but I believe it was Harry Carpenter.

Wells came out against some Tongan bloke in the quarter finals of the Super Heavyweights. Whiter than a sheet and looking all gangly and ginger.

He threw a piledriver which landed and sparked the opponent out cold. Carpenter's voice broke as has shouted "and Bobby Wells has done it for Britain"

Despite searching I have never managed to find a clip of that. It's probably slightly different from how remember it, but 40 years on I still remember it and I'm still staying up half the night to watch boxing 😀

Well's last fight of his short amateur career was a KO loss to a young Lennox Lewis in 1984
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forcefraser wrote: 18 Mar 2024, 04:08 Bobby "has done it for Britain" Wells, had a poor Pro career after winning a Bronze at the Los Angeles Olympics

Strange how some things seem stuck in your mind forever. I was 10 years old in 1984 and remember staying up late to watch the boxing. I'm not sure of the commentator, but I believe it was Harry Carpenter.

Wells came out against some Tongan bloke in the quarter finals of the Super Heavyweights. Whiter than a sheet and looking all gangly and ginger.

He threw a piledriver which landed and sparked the opponent out cold. Carpenter's voice broke as has shouted "and Bobby Wells has done it for Britain"

Despite searching I have never managed to find a clip of that. It's probably slightly different from how remember it, but 40 years on I still remember it and I'm still staying up half the night to watch boxing 😀

Well's last fight of his short amateur career was a KO loss to a young Lennox Lewis in 1984
I’ve definitely seen it…. Not sure where. Wells was poor to be fair. There’s a video of him bashing up Joe Egan
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JamesPhilips wrote: 18 Mar 2024, 08:18
forcefraser wrote: 18 Mar 2024, 04:08 Bobby "has done it for Britain" Wells, had a poor Pro career after winning a Bronze at the Los Angeles Olympics

Strange how some things seem stuck in your mind forever. I was 10 years old in 1984 and remember staying up late to watch the boxing. I'm not sure of the commentator, but I believe it was Harry Carpenter.

Wells came out against some Tongan bloke in the quarter finals of the Super Heavyweights. Whiter than a sheet and looking all gangly and ginger.

He threw a piledriver which landed and sparked the opponent out cold. Carpenter's voice broke as has shouted "and Bobby Wells has done it for Britain"

Despite searching I have never managed to find a clip of that. It's probably slightly different from how remember it, but 40 years on I still remember it and I'm still staying up half the night to watch boxing 😀

Well's last fight of his short amateur career was a KO loss to a young Lennox Lewis in 1984
I’ve definitely seen it…. Not sure where. Wells was poor to be fair. There’s a video of him bashing up Joe Egan
My old amateur coach Freddie Barr in Wells's corner
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thanks for sharing this footage, never seen it and enjoy it.
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Coco wrote: 18 Mar 2024, 14:27
JamesPhilips wrote: 18 Mar 2024, 08:18
forcefraser wrote: 18 Mar 2024, 04:08 Bobby "has done it for Britain" Wells, had a poor Pro career after winning a Bronze at the Los Angeles Olympics

Strange how some things seem stuck in your mind forever. I was 10 years old in 1984 and remember staying up late to watch the boxing. I'm not sure of the commentator, but I believe it was Harry Carpenter.

Wells came out against some Tongan bloke in the quarter finals of the Super Heavyweights. Whiter than a sheet and looking all gangly and ginger.

He threw a piledriver which landed and sparked the opponent out cold. Carpenter's voice broke as has shouted "and Bobby Wells has done it for Britain"

Despite searching I have never managed to find a clip of that. It's probably slightly different from how remember it, but 40 years on I still remember it and I'm still staying up half the night to watch boxing 😀

Well's last fight of his short amateur career was a KO loss to a young Lennox Lewis in 1984
I’ve definitely seen it…. Not sure where. Wells was poor to be fair. There’s a video of him bashing up Joe Egan
My old amateur coach Freddie Barr in Wells's corner
Kingston Boys? Barr was a character wasn't he.
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MasterG wrote: 16 Mar 2024, 14:44
JamesPhilips wrote: 15 Mar 2024, 21:11 George Collins
George Collins who had about 9 fights in one year.

He was rushed very badly, who was his handler?
allegedly was his promoter, and he was the opposite of rushed, his record was padded out to 30 odd - 0 before losing to Jacobs and Laing. He just got as far as his ability could take him and packed it in.
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Flump wrote: 20 Mar 2024, 09:34
MasterG wrote: 16 Mar 2024, 14:44
JamesPhilips wrote: 15 Mar 2024, 21:11 George Collins
George Collins who had about 9 fights in one year.

He was rushed very badly, who was his handler?
allegedly was his promoter, and he was the opposite of rushed, his record was padded out to 30 odd - 0 before losing to Jacobs and Laing. He just got as far as his ability could take him and packed it in.
definitely padded, 16 of his opponents had losing records or were debutants.
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SeanBrennan wrote: 20 Mar 2024, 11:04
Flump wrote: 20 Mar 2024, 09:34
MasterG wrote: 16 Mar 2024, 14:44

George Collins who had about 9 fights in one year.

He was rushed very badly, who was his handler?
allegedly was his promoter, and he was the opposite of rushed, his record was padded out to 30 odd - 0 before losing to Jacobs and Laing. He just got as far as his ability could take him and packed it in.
definitely padded, 16 of his opponents had losing records or were debutants.
I posted a thread about Collins years ago, you might be interested

viewtopic.php?t=239017
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Controversial wrote: 20 Mar 2024, 11:09
SeanBrennan wrote: 20 Mar 2024, 11:04
Flump wrote: 20 Mar 2024, 09:34

allegedly was his promoter, and he was the opposite of rushed, his record was padded out to 30 odd - 0 before losing to Jacobs and Laing. He just got as far as his ability could take him and packed it in.
definitely padded, 16 of his opponents had losing records or were debutants.
I posted a thread about Collins years ago, you might be interested

viewtopic.php?t=239017
thank you, will take a look
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SeanBrennan wrote: 20 Mar 2024, 11:10
Controversial wrote: 20 Mar 2024, 11:09
SeanBrennan wrote: 20 Mar 2024, 11:04

definitely padded, 16 of his opponents had losing records or were debutants.
I posted a thread about Collins years ago, you might be interested

viewtopic.php?t=239017
thank you, will take a look
really interesting thread thanks for that, all 3 brothers turned pro, travellers so less likely to be online esp as they won't be youngest fellas. Some family to make 3 pros, fair play. hope they're well.
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Flump wrote: 20 Mar 2024, 09:32
Coco wrote: 18 Mar 2024, 14:27
JamesPhilips wrote: 18 Mar 2024, 08:18

I’ve definitely seen it…. Not sure where. Wells was poor to be fair. There’s a video of him bashing up Joe Egan
My old amateur coach Freddie Barr in Wells's corner
Kingston Boys? Barr was a character wasn't he.
His son was a good fighter, NABC champ, actually both his sons were good.
I remember just after just going pro, I was a bit cocky with Matt in sparring, trying to show him who was boss, he walked me into a big right hand, broke my nose!
Also remember Matt knocking out John Humphreys, the Southern area champ in a round.
They had a rematch, Matt being overconfident had his jaw broke with the first punch of the fight.
He was down a couple of times but grittily made it through the round.
Between rounds they were sweeping up his broken teeth, Freddie sent him out for the second but fortunately the ref stepped in before too long, Matt was too brave for his own good, really nice guy too.
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Who was Bobby Wells' Dad? Carpenter there says he was old enough to have seen him fight. The only other heavyweight Wells I can think of was Billy Wells but he had his last fight the year Carpenter was born and there's no way he had a kid that late in his life.
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orbtastic wrote: 20 Mar 2024, 16:11 Who was Bobby Wells' Dad? Carpenter there says he was old enough to have seen him fight. The only other heavyweight Wells I can think of was Billy Wells but he had his last fight the year Carpenter was born and there's no way he had a kid that late in his life.
Aba champ and went to the 1968 Olympics, yeah Billy, but not bombardier billy
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Coco wrote: 20 Mar 2024, 15:45
Flump wrote: 20 Mar 2024, 09:32
Coco wrote: 18 Mar 2024, 14:27

My old amateur coach Freddie Barr in Wells's corner
Kingston Boys? Barr was a character wasn't he.
His son was a good fighter, NABC champ, actually both his sons were good.
I remember just after just going pro, I was a bit cocky with Matt in sparring, trying to show him who was boss, he walked me into a big right hand, broke my nose!
Also remember Matt knocking out John Humphreys, the Southern area champ in a round.
They had a rematch, Matt being overconfident had his jaw broke with the first punch of the fight.
He was down a couple of times but grittily made it through the round.
Between rounds they were sweeping up his broken teeth, Freddie sent him out for the second but fortunately the ref stepped in before too long, Matt was too brave for his own good, really nice guy too.
Good read, cheers Coco. I used to go to the boys club in the 80s next to what is now Kingsmeadow Stadium, before they moved into new premises further into the Cambridge Estate. I quickly learned I was crap and should stick to football and cricket.
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Flump wrote: 20 Mar 2024, 20:04
Coco wrote: 20 Mar 2024, 15:45
Flump wrote: 20 Mar 2024, 09:32

Kingston Boys? Barr was a character wasn't he.
His son was a good fighter, NABC champ, actually both his sons were good.
I remember just after just going pro, I was a bit cocky with Matt in sparring, trying to show him who was boss, he walked me into a big right hand, broke my nose!
Also remember Matt knocking out John Humphreys, the Southern area champ in a round.
They had a rematch, Matt being overconfident had his jaw broke with the first punch of the fight.
He was down a couple of times but grittily made it through the round.
Between rounds they were sweeping up his broken teeth, Freddie sent him out for the second but fortunately the ref stepped in before too long, Matt was too brave for his own good, really nice guy too.
Good read, cheers Coco. I used to go to the boys club in the 80s next to what is now Kingsmeadow Stadium, before they moved into new premises further into the Cambridge Estate. I quickly learned I was crap and should stick to football and cricket.
What is the NABC?
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JamesPhilips wrote: 18 Mar 2024, 08:18
forcefraser wrote: 18 Mar 2024, 04:08 Bobby "has done it for Britain" Wells, had a poor Pro career after winning a Bronze at the Los Angeles Olympics

Strange how some things seem stuck in your mind forever. I was 10 years old in 1984 and remember staying up late to watch the boxing. I'm not sure of the commentator, but I believe it was Harry Carpenter.

Wells came out against some Tongan bloke in the quarter finals of the Super Heavyweights. Whiter than a sheet and looking all gangly and ginger.

He threw a piledriver which landed and sparked the opponent out cold. Carpenter's voice broke as has shouted "and Bobby Wells has done it for Britain"

Despite searching I have never managed to find a clip of that. It's probably slightly different from how remember it, but 40 years on I still remember it and I'm still staying up half the night to watch boxing 😀

Well's last fight of his short amateur career was a KO loss to a young Lennox Lewis in 1984
I’ve definitely seen it…. Not sure where. Wells was poor to be fair. There’s a video of him bashing up Joe Egan
Harry Carpenter was a fantastic commentator.

Fair play to Big Joe Egan. Lacking in nous but by god was he as game as they come.
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