Tim Tszyu vs. Sebastian Fundora - 30 March 2024

[cormack]

wow!

tim has a very good first 2 rounds, gets cut up by a headbutt, and then obviously bothered by it he strrugles and loses a split!

tbf, lack of output has been something ive calld him out on for a while, but that bleeding defo threw him off. wonder what's next and if he has a rematch clause

was an elbow on the inside when he ducked under and fundora made sure he connected

[NoScoutingReports]

Happy for Pitbull Cruz, relentless fighter. Rolly showed heart to stay up on several occasions having been tagged hard but Cruz wasn't going to be denied, marching forward and unleashing shots completely undeterred by anything Romero came back with. Clean KO for Lara too, classic southpaw one two drilled Zerafa who couldn't recover. Nearly 41 now is Lara

[coneye]

wow!

tim has a very good first 2 rounds, gets cut up by a headbutt, and then obviously bothered by it he strrugles and loses a split!

tbf, lack of output has been something ive calld him out on for a while, but that bleeding defo threw him off. wonder what's next and if he has a rematch clause

was an elbow on the inside when he ducked under and fundora made sure he connected

No don't thinks so , from where i sat Tim , ducked right into it , Fundors could'nt help it absolutly no malice involved , just a genuine accident ,, Targeting the cut rnd after rnd however , was totally on purpose , but heh, totally legal has well . I know i would of definetly instructed him to target it , then again if i was cutman for Tim i would of told the head trainer lets get him out of here , that cuts too deep , bad place and its gonna piss blood all night , if you don't we have a blinded fighter.

Hard one this one i keep reading the cutman was to blame the cutman did'nt have the right stuff , , but facts are it was a head wound they bleed like buggery and very very hard to stop , they were having trouble from the onset stopping the bleed i doubt anyone else would of done better , especielly when ding ding Fundoras off his stool and hits it again .

Been reading idiots say cutman did'nt have the right stuff , what do they expect , he has a bag of cement to pour in it , or a gap gun with a tube of waterproof silicone .

They know boxing they should know he's only allowed to use adreneline , then vaseline , heard one genius telling people he mixes adreneline with vaseline and gets a barrier , bollocks they do not mix properly , theres inspectors there to make sure your not adding cement , or doing surgery to stop a bleed , it was just what it was a bad cut , and the cutman is getting blamed without mercy all over the net , the fault lies with whoever was in charge for not knowing they were in BIGTROUBLE with that cut right from when it happenned and then not insisting the doc listens to HE CAN'T SEE let the doc stop it ,,, no contest ,, keep your belt , , get your 10 mill purse , grab a rematch and ask for 12 mill ,

These discisions should not be left to the boxer , there answer is ALWAYS gonna be , i'm ok , there in a war zone and don't think straight , thats why they employ a general called the head trainer .

That loss lies right at the feet of the head trainer , because he did'nt have the guts to get the doc to stop it ,

But if its because he's scared of what Tim and the manager will say or do , then Tim needs to change trainers and managers , anyone think Dundee , Futch , emanuelle stewart would of let that cut go on , i doubt it.

I mean whats the end result now , Tims gets his 10 mill , good on him that alone was worth taking the fight short notice and all , but it was short notice for both so kudos to BOTH fighters , but he's lost his title , i seriously doubt he's going to get the rematch , maybee they can go to court and hold Futora up , maybee get some step aside money , but it defo looks like its all been played to give Crawford a crack , , I doubt Spence will be in the loop , its gonna be Crawford , or Spence , and Tim will whistle dixie , there just not going to take the risk , it looks like a fully fit Tim just hits to hard and CAN cause damage , contacts in the boxing world are paper meant to be ripped up money talks , and for me Crawford , does'nt want Charlo now he's ducking Boots big time , does'nt seem to want a bar of him , Fundora is the way forward , or maybee let Spence have a crack at Fundora then go beat Spence up again ,

But poor old Tim i think will now be out of the loop , put in the too hard basket , all because the head trainer did'nt do his job and protect him , because once they actually sit down and evaliate , pick and work on Tims biggest fault , his lack of combinations and penchent to only throw single punches they sort that out , and his potential will go through the roof , the opposite campos are not stupid , they will put him in the too hard basket for now anyway

[SeanBrennan]

really interesting and informative post that. thank you.

[coneye]

really interesting and informative post that. thank you.

Its boxing Sean , and you always have to look at the motive behind the motive , , been reading all over the net that cutman getting crucified , mainly by idiots who have never even been smacked by there mom never mind had a head cut that will not stop bleeding ,
Read somewhere that the famous cutman stich said its nearly impossible in that spot when its that deep , ,

, But Crawfords name being thrown out just prior would definetly of sent my brain into overtime , and i would off been all over DO NOT GIVE ANY EXCUSE , personaly i was screeming at the tele , make it worse make it worse , stop it , my lads were saying you mental , i'm going there gonna lose , you can't fight a 6'6" southpaw jabber , with blood in your eyes ,

my lad said dad Tims a warrior he will not want it stopped , I said fook Tim , grab the 10 mill then a rematch another 10 mill then Crawford 25 mill , they carry on he gets fook all they looked at me like i was stupid , i said to them its the trainers call, its profesional boxing , a no contest , or draw is not a loss .

Late on in the fight i was just shaking my head going they just blew potentially 25 -30 million ,, but i did turn to my son and say , never mind though we now know he's a warrior, he's Tims biggest fan but did say , you got a point dad , now it looks like Tim is being stuffed out of the rematch , Fundoras chasing the money and who can blame him , .

Bet your life if it was Fundoras team they would of had the doc call it off, but i'm definetly not in the blame the cutman camp , could he off done a better job , who knows , bit more pressure , with a bit more adrenelin for a bit longer , maybee who knows , but chances are ding ding , jab on the same spot i doubt it

[Evander]

Cut changed the whole fight.

[coneye]

Just read on facebook , that Fundoras promoter said , they were so keen for the fight that they did'nt have time to make a lot of the stuff official so never actually signed contracts most was a handshake , BUT he said him and Fundora are men of there words and if Tim wants the rematch , he can have it .

If this is true , gret respect and massive Kudo's to that team and especielly Fundora , honesty and standing by your word is'nt a big thing in boxing

[KiwiRider]

Just read on facebook , that Fundoras promoter said , they were so keen for the fight that they did'nt have time to make a lot of the stuff official so never actually signed contracts most was a handshake , BUT he said him and Fundora are men of there words and if Tim wants the rematch , he can have it .

If this is true , gret respect and massive Kudo's to that team and especielly Fundora , honesty and standing by your word is'nt a big thing in boxing

It's probably his best option for the biggest payday. Would the rematch with the two belts on the line would sell big in Oz?

[cormack]

plenty Uk fighters at that weight to challenge for decent dosh - not all about the US these days ....

[handsofstone]

Caught up with the Cruz/Romero fight, one way traffic, Cruz had Romero on wobbly legs in the 1st and pretty much continued to walk forward winging in the punches and busting Romero up, Romero to his credit took his lumps, tried to fight Cruz but couldn't deter him, Cruz had him on shaky legs again in the 7th, nearly stopped him right there, the end came a round later, Cruz unloading clean shots in Romero when the ref stepped in

[coneye]

Just read on facebook , that Fundoras promoter said , they were so keen for the fight that they did'nt have time to make a lot of the stuff official so never actually signed contracts most was a handshake , BUT he said him and Fundora are men of there words and if Tim wants the rematch , he can have it .

If this is true , gret respect and massive Kudo's to that team and especielly Fundora , honesty and standing by your word is'nt a big thing in boxing

It's probably his best option for the biggest payday. Would the rematch with the two belts on the line would sell big in Oz?

Oh i'm convinced it would sell in OZ , but probably would'nt earn the money it would make in the states , Vegas site fee's ppv , ect ect , thats where the big money would be , unless his highness or whatever he's called wanted to throw the oil money at it ,

[KiwiRider]

Just read on facebook , that Fundoras promoter said , they were so keen for the fight that they did'nt have time to make a lot of the stuff official so never actually signed contracts most was a handshake , BUT he said him and Fundora are men of there words and if Tim wants the rematch , he can have it .

If this is true , gret respect and massive Kudo's to that team and especielly Fundora , honesty and standing by your word is'nt a big thing in boxing

It's probably his best option for the biggest payday. Would the rematch with the two belts on the line would sell big in Oz?

Oh i'm convinced it would sell in OZ , but probably would'nt earn the money it would make in the states , Vegas site fee's ppv , ect ect , thats where the big money would be , unless his highness or whatever he's called wanted to throw the oil money at it ,

Yeah I wasn't sure.
I knew Horn Vs Manny generated huge money, but that was probably more Manny than Jeff. Tim would have to carry Fundora.
It will be PPV in Oz where ever it is probably.

[margaret thatcher]

immediate rematch is what id like to see, it was so obvious in real time that the cut took something out of tim, from bossing the first two to suddenly looking worried, more tentative, and less accurate

that said, cuts are part of boxing and if they say fight on, you gotta bite down and get through it. what if it happens again? unlikely to happen as badly, but you never know

props to fundora too, his nose was gushing (probably broken) since round 2, he was spitting blood since around the same time, yet he never stopped moving his hands or showing confidence in himself. he is one of the goofiest looking tough guys out there

[KiwiRider]

I would definitely watch a rematch.
And I would back Timmeh to win.

[SeanBrennan]

really interesting and informative post that. thank you.

Its boxing Sean , and you always have to look at the motive behind the motive , , been reading all over the net that cutman getting crucified , mainly by idiots who have never even been smacked by there mom never mind had a head cut that will not stop bleeding ,
Read somewhere that the famous cutman stich said its nearly impossible in that spot when its that deep , ,

, But Crawfords name being thrown out just prior would definetly of sent my brain into overtime , and i would off been all over DO NOT GIVE ANY EXCUSE , personaly i was screeming at the tele , make it worse make it worse , stop it , my lads were saying you mental , i'm going there gonna lose , you can't fight a 6'6" southpaw jabber , with blood in your eyes ,

my lad said dad Tims a warrior he will not want it stopped , I said fook Tim , grab the 10 mill then a rematch another 10 mill then Crawford 25 mill , they carry on he gets fook all they looked at me like i was stupid , i said to them its the trainers call, its profesional boxing , a no contest , or draw is not a loss .

Late on in the fight i was just shaking my head going they just blew potentially 25 -30 million ,, but i did turn to my son and say , never mind though we now know he's a warrior, he's Tims biggest fan but did say , you got a point dad , now it looks like Tim is being stuffed out of the rematch , Fundoras chasing the money and who can blame him , .

Bet your life if it was Fundoras team they would of had the doc call it off, but i'm definetly not in the blame the cutman camp , could he off done a better job , who knows , bit more pressure , with a bit more adrenelin for a bit longer , maybee who knows , but chances are ding ding , jab on the same spot i doubt it

Thanks Coneye just seen this. Insight we should all pay heed to mate. Stitch's words very prescient buddy. Thanks as ever, this is why the forum is a healthy one, I learn from it. Thanks for sharing.

[Grilling Machine]

I knew Horn Vs Manny generated huge money, but that was probably more Manny than Jeff.

Horny! Horny! Horny! C'mon, ramp it up!

[coneye]

I knew Horn Vs Manny generated huge money, but that was probably more Manny than Jeff.

Horny! Horny! Horny! C'mon, ramp it up!

Horn ,, Tzsyu ,, does'nt matter , Aussie love there sportsmen and will always back them , They win there Gods , they lose , we just say they were robbed , and when we run out , we just import another one , we start with the kiwi's and Then move on to the Tongans , Samoans , and anyone else live nearby , , non available from there , we'll just grab a pom or a Russian , Africas looking pretty good now has well

Just wait till Parker wins a world title , we already got eyes on him , his invite to Opetais , hungi next month is in the post

[margaret thatcher]

parker already won a world title

[coneye]

parker already won a world title

I'll refrase it then , ANOTHER world title

[KiwiRider]

I knew Horn Vs Manny generated huge money, but that was probably more Manny than Jeff.

Horny! Horny! Horny! C'mon, ramp it up!

Horn ,, Tzsyu ,, does'nt matter , Aussie love there sportsmen and will always back them , They win there Gods , they lose , we just say they were robbed , and when we run out , we just import another one , we start with the kiwi's and Then move on to the Tongans , Samoans , and anyone else live nearby , , non available from there , we'll just grab a pom or a Russian , Africas looking pretty good now has well

Just wait till Parker wins a world title , we already got eyes on him , his invite to Opetais , hungi next month is in the post

True story.

[handsofstone]

I had it a draw, 114-114, if I was to edge it to someone it have probably been Fundora, Tszyu took the first couple of rounds for me on account of some of they lead right hands he was landing, the cut to his head came right at end of the 2nd, he put his head right into Fundora's elbow, it was a mess for the remainder, amateur hour in the corner, Fundora finally began using those physical advantages he never uses, the long raking southpaw jab and that long left, couldn't miss with it tbh, Tszyu was still getting through with the harder shots, the right hand and left hook, brave from Tszyu he showed a lot of grit to keep at it for 10 rounds, we need a rematch, Tszyu deserves it

[margaret thatcher]

same score for me, defo should be a rematch

[samwbr]

Hasn't Fundora said he will give Tim the immediate rematch?

[KiwiRider]

Hasn't Fundora said he will give Tim the immediate rematch?

Yes, but verbal agreements between boxers don't necessarily reflect their management.

[samwbr]

Hasn't Fundora said he will give Tim the immediate rematch?

Yes, but verbal agreements between boxers don't necessarily reflect their management.

It was his promoter who said they would go for it. WBO saying differently tho.