Vasiliy Lomachenko vs. George Kambosos | ESPN - May 11, 2024

[robbydecker]

What fight was Lomachenko injured in anyway? I haven't heard of him having a serious injury in any of his bouts.

The "Teofimo Lopez" bout.

They(Manager and Trainers) wanted Vasily to pull out of that 2020 bout.

Vasily had rotator cuff surgery immediately after that bout.

Pitchers in baseball get that type of surgery. It's a very debilitating injury affliction.

If left untreated, it will turn a 2.85 era type of pitcher into a 5.85 era type of pitcher.
Manny was similarly injured going into the Mayweather bout.

[robbydecker]

Shouldn’t take the bait…. Given that ridiculous point then how did Lopez lose to Kamboso? Story was he was sick. Health weight age all play huge factors. Loma never gets the close decisions Mayweather got. His loses were all very close fights - although thought he clearly beat Haney. He is a smaller man fighting bigger fighters by choice. After going 396-1 in the amateurs it seems he is always looking for the best fight. Dude fought a contender in his debut. A world champ in his second. A long reigning champ in his third. Who has done that?

What a knob.

Lopez lost to Kambosa because he was too arrogant for his own good. He thought he could just go out and destroy him. As a result, he left himself open for what I specifically said before the fight he would have to make the mistake of doing in order to give Kambosa an avenue to the W.

I am not an FMJ fan, beyond the fact that I give him credit for being an excellent businessman. Yes, he should not have been undefeated. Yes, he expertly avoided a number of dangerous fighters on the way to his undefeated record. Only devout Floydiots can muster the level of alternative reality to argue those points.

Lomassiah did not “clearly beat Haney.” It was a close fight that Haney got the decision in. I felt that Haney edged it. But, if Lomassiah had gotten the W I would not be whining about it for the rest of my life, like so many Lomasciples do.

Nobody is arguing about what he has accomplished. This chat is about what he has not accomplished.

People do go into boxing bouts, and mma bouts, while injured. It happens quite often.


"People do put making that nice money paycheck over and above various intangibles", including they're personal self image.
Needing money is often needed more than needing respect and admiration from people.


And they realize by doing this(Fighting Injured), that they're disadvantaging themselves.
They're physical disadvantage isn't suddenly out of the equation and out of the question of an analytical mindset though.
It's out of the equation of analytics according to those such as Ironbeard, who would rather Growl out, "It's nothing except Excuses"..!!, and, "No such thing as a physical disadvantage if you're needing the fight because you Need the paycheck". .!! Despite you're physical debilitations..!! They mean nothing anymore. No factor of consideration..!!

How dare you take the fight out of desperation for making a much needed paycheck. Now you're injury is therefore erased and I'm going to use my emotional anguish to guide my words..!!

This is the mindset of Ironbeard, and likewise minded Scowler Scoffers.

[gilgamesh]

What fight was Lomachenko injured in anyway? I haven't heard of him having a serious injury in any of his bouts.

The "Teofimo Lopez" bout.

They(Manager and Trainers) wanted Vasily to pull out of that 2020 bout.

Vasily had rotator cuff surgery immediately after that bout.

Pitchers in baseball get that type of surgery. It's a very debilitating injury affliction.

If left untreated, it will turn a 2.85 era type of pitcher into a 5.85 era type of pitcher.
Manny was similarly injured going into the Mayweather bout.

Well injury or not, Lopez beat him.

I never believe in that excuse making stuff for fighters. If you were healthy enough to get in the ring. You were healthy enough to live with the result. Win or lose.

[robbydecker]

What fight was Lomachenko injured in anyway? I haven't heard of him having a serious injury in any of his bouts.

The "Teofimo Lopez" bout.

They(Manager and Trainers) wanted Vasily to pull out of that 2020 bout.

Vasily had rotator cuff surgery immediately after that bout.

Pitchers in baseball get that type of surgery. It's a very debilitating injury affliction.

If left untreated, it will turn a 2.85 era type of pitcher into a 5.85 era type of pitcher.
Manny was similarly injured going into the Mayweather bout.

Well injury or not, Lopez beat him.

I never believe in that excuse making stuff for fighters. If you were healthy enough to get in the ring. You were healthy enough to live with the result. Win or lose.

That's not a discernful way of thinking though. You're supposed to be more analytical than that.

That is, if you're willing to be analytical. And willing to realize it's a realistic as well as a scientific way of truly realizing the various intangibles involved with combat sports, and team sports as well of course.
Look at how much a sports team will go downhill because of injuries, whether on they're pitching staff or amongst they're good hitting position players.

It's a common thing, seeing an otherwise winning team going downhill if a key player is either out, or struggling away, playing while injured. It's really that simple when you're willing to be unbiased, not unforgiving, not unnecessarily critical, not unnecessarily harsh, and scowly and whatnot.

Ultimately, combat sports are a business, and so too are pro team sports such as baseball.
Injuries Do Matter. If you try telling yourself otherwise then you are blatantly ignoring physicality analytics, and favorable situational elements, in favor of stubbornly sticking with you're own personal feelings and emotions.

[ironbeard]

Usyk is what Lomasciples wish their Lomassiah to be: The King Of The World.

That is how it is done in professional boxing.

[gilgamesh]

The "Teofimo Lopez" bout.

They(Manager and Trainers) wanted Vasily to pull out of that 2020 bout.

Vasily had rotator cuff surgery immediately after that bout.

Pitchers in baseball get that type of surgery. It's a very debilitating injury affliction.

If left untreated, it will turn a 2.85 era type of pitcher into a 5.85 era type of pitcher.
Manny was similarly injured going into the Mayweather bout.

Well injury or not, Lopez beat him.

I never believe in that excuse making stuff for fighters. If you were healthy enough to get in the ring. You were healthy enough to live with the result. Win or lose.

That's not a discernful way of thinking though. You're supposed to be more analytical than that.

That is, if you're willing to be analytical. And willing to realize it's a realistic as well as a scientific way of truly realizing the various intangibles involved with combat sports, and team sports as well of course.
Look at how much a sports team will go downhill because of injuries, whether on they're pitching staff or amongst they're good hitting position players.

It's a common thing, seeing an otherwise winning team going downhill if a key player is either out, or struggling away, playing while injured. It's really that simple when you're willing to be unbiased, not unforgiving, not unnecessarily critical, not unnecessarily harsh, and scowly and whatnot.

Ultimately, combat sports are a business, and so too are pro team sports such as baseball.
Injuries Do Matter. If you try telling yourself otherwise then you are blatantly ignoring physicality analytics, and favorable situational elements, in favor of stubbornly sticking with you're own personal feelings and emotions.

Legacies ain't built on should've and maybe. You did or you didn't. That's what you're remembered for.

Lomachenko is a great fighter. He won't soon be forgotten, and his rise to the top was certainly a meteoric one. He's still not done writing his legacy either.

But as it stands. He lost to Teofimo Lopez. Could he win a rematch with him? Maybe.

A guy that lost always thinks. I could've done this. I could've done that. If only this hadn't happened. If only that hadn't happened, but none of that changes the result. Sometimes you have to live the hand that life deals you. Even when it don't go your way.

It's went Lomachenko's way enough that I think he'll certainly be remembered more for his triumphs than for his losses. So don't cry too much for him. He doesn't need it. He's doing great.